Editorial: Private Long Island ATV ar...

Editorial: Private Long Island ATV area a good stopgap

There are 76 comments on the Newsday story from Sep 4, 2008, titled Editorial: Private Long Island ATV area a good stopgap. In it, Newsday reports that:

The love for all-terrain vehicles on Long Island is still in full throttle. And a while ago, a task force in Suffolk County agreed unanimously on the need for legal places for ATV fans to pursue their sport ...

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Gary

Ridgewood, NY

#1 Sep 4, 2008
Why should the county have to "step up" and give away land for this 1 percent of the population that wants to ride these loud, obnoxious things? There is no way that I should have to have my tax dollars go towards something that not only would I never use, but that benefits so few people. Let these people get together and buy some land of their own if they need to ride so badly.
dumb

Central Islip, NY

#2 Sep 4, 2008
These noisy, gas guzzling vehicles are a nuisance. Underage operators often ride them on public roads or on LIPA property in my area. The county should be enforcing the law, not giving away public land for their use!
Patrick

United States

#3 Sep 4, 2008
Before anyone buys an ATV they should consider buying a bicycle instead. America is experiencing an obesity epidemic. ATV's just help reinforce the anti exercise mindset embraced by so many.
jjjr

Bronxville, NY

#4 Sep 4, 2008
I would like to meet the fool who gave these people PERMISSION to use their lands in Quogue! Don't this moron know that no good deed goes unpunished? By giving permission, he has opened himself up to liability when one of these fools gets themselves hurt! And you know that they are not the most stable of vehicles! These people have got to be kidding, they want Suffolk county (US) to supply them with a place convienent to them where they can tear up the ground and make as much noise as possible! No to the park, no to the track and no to the noise and dust! You knew you were going to have to go outside of Suffolk County when you purchased these quads, now you want to break ourballs with these things, and you seem to have an allie in newsday! Morons!
Jim D

Middletown, MD

#5 Sep 4, 2008
that is right!!! Take away everything and then question, why do out kids do nothing.
What are we stupid

West Babylon, NY

#6 Sep 4, 2008
1. LITRC=the now defunct LIORV
2. You need to fax over an aplication to them, pay, and they see if they give you permisson to ride.
3. They will not tell you the location of the park until ride day.
4. Mr. Riker is NOT atv saftey certified, none of the member are.
LIORV took members money, collected dues, and did nothing.
They are a rip off.
Patricia Burkhart

Middle Island, NY

#7 Sep 4, 2008
I agree with most of the posts here, and I echo that our money should not be spent making these people happy. If they want land -- let them buy it, buy insurance, take care of it, etc. These are the most irresponsible folks I've ever come across. They are reckless and will not think twice about riding you down if you try to block them or get them off land they are not supposed to on in the first place. THEY BREAK THE LAW ALL THE TIME -- they trespass. They have HURT many hikers and even state enforcement staff. What is most troubling is that many of these illegal riders are from the police and fire forces -- many come from Nassau County to ride in Suffolk. If the police and fire are going to break the law, little wonder that there are so many other ATV enthusiasts who break the law as well.

Finally -- an answer to the man who whines about why kids on LI do nothing -- and what will happen if their ATVs are taken away?

Newsflash -- how about skate boarding, bicycling, swimming, or heaven forbid -- volunteering and doing some community service? How about reading? How about hobbies that teach a real skill? How about learning about nature and one's environment? How about learning about how to care for that environment?

Are you really telling me that without an ATV a kid has nothing to do?

THEN YOU MY FRIEND HAVE FAILED AS A PARENT!
ATV Law Breakers

West Babylon, NY

#8 Sep 4, 2008
Unfortunately, this subject should have been addressed years ago, at no fault to the legislative board or the park service, but if something is not done immediately the future of our protected lands seems dismal at best. I have just recently gotten back into hiking and never really understood how fortunate we are to live in an area with such a vast and fragile ecosystem. The historic significance in some area's such as Revolutionary/Civil War sites, glacier formations, certain types of plant life and animals that can only be witnessed on Long Island is a resource that I think most Long Islanders are not aware of and could be a greater source of county income if managed properly.
The most unfortunate aspect of hiking in many areas out east is the ATV and dirt bike use. Older hiking trails that have been around since the settlers on horseback and are being maintained by a dedicated group of individuals are being literally destroyed by people who ride these vehicles and have no regard for the law, or the vast majority of silent sport users out every weekend taking advantage of these areas.
Having hiked down trails and seen them literally dig six-feet deep from these vehicles in protected lands is disheartening. Having had ATVers fly past me at breakneck speed with no regard to my personal safety or theirs is a real threat to everybody who loves the outdoors. It's impossible to identify these people due to the fact the vehicles rarely have license plates and most users are hidden behind a full face helmet.
It seems incredulous to me that the answer to this problem is to give them a dedicated piece of land to ride on, whether its county or private land, with the hope that maybe some illegal riding will be deterred. It won't. I've made searches on the Internet and it seems that this problem is wide-spread, with more and more legal riding locations being shut down due to environmental concerns, insurance issues, and regard to the quality of life of the people who live in these areas.
I was also under the impression that lands acquired by the county under the referendum land act are paid for with a 1/4 cent sales tax on income. Those lands cannot be "given" or leased to become an ATV park. Any use sanctioned by the county other than "forever wild, groundwater recharge" I assume would be fraudulent. To allow something inert, such as cross-country skiing or hiking or bird watching, might not be, as those activities don't impact the environment to any appreciable degree. You can't say that about ATVs.
I think a better idea than an ATV park would be to form a multi-agency enforcement unit consisting of departments from the parks, police, and DEC to combat this problem.
wow

South Salem, NY

#9 Sep 4, 2008
Suffolk county should open up a safe controlled area for A.T.V. riding. Get the kids off the couch and into the woods.
wow

South Salem, NY

#10 Sep 4, 2008
And the hikers should talk. They throw all there garbage all over the place. Water bottles Starbuck cups and food wrappers everywhere. Now I like Hiking myself and I like Dirtbiking and bolth can be done in a responsible manner. A controlled legal enviroment is the best enviroment for all.

ATV Law Breakers wrote:
Unfortunately, this subject should have been addressed years ago, at no fault to the legislative board or the park service, but if something is not done immediately the future of our protected lands seems dismal at best. I have just recently gotten back into hiking and never really understood how fortunate we are to live in an area with such a vast and fragile ecosystem. The historic significance in some area's such as Revolutionary/Civil War sites, glacier formations, certain types of plant life and animals that can only be witnessed on Long Island is a resource that I think most Long Islanders are not aware of and could be a greater source of county income if managed properly.
The most unfortunate aspect of hiking in many areas out east is the ATV and dirt bike use. Older hiking trails that have been around since the settlers on horseback and are being maintained by a dedicated group of individuals are being literally destroyed by people who ride these vehicles and have no regard for the law, or the vast majority of silent sport users out every weekend taking advantage of these areas.
Having hiked down trails and seen them literally dig six-feet deep from these vehicles in protected lands is disheartening. Having had ATVers fly past me at breakneck speed with no regard to my personal safety or theirs is a real threat to everybody who loves the outdoors. It's impossible to identify these people due to the fact the vehicles rarely have license plates and most users are hidden behind a full face helmet.
It seems incredulous to me that the answer to this problem is to give them a dedicated piece of land to ride on, whether its county or private land, with the hope that maybe some illegal riding will be deterred. It won't. I've made searches on the Internet and it seems that this problem is wide-spread, with more and more legal riding locations being shut down due to environmental concerns, insurance issues, and regard to the quality of life of the people who live in these areas.
I was also under the impression that lands acquired by the county under the referendum land act are paid for with a 1/4 cent sales tax on income. Those lands cannot be "given" or leased to become an ATV park. Any use sanctioned by the county other than "forever wild, groundwater recharge" I assume would be fraudulent. To allow something inert, such as cross-country skiing or hiking or bird watching, might not be, as those activities don't impact the environment to any appreciable degree. You can't say that about ATVs.
I think a better idea than an ATV park would be to form a multi-agency enforcement unit consisting of departments from the parks, police, and DEC to combat this problem.
wow

South Salem, NY

#11 Sep 4, 2008
A.T.V. riding can be a great workout it is just not sitting on the machine hitting the gas. Biking is great too a dual purpose trail system that is legal for bolth uses I.E. alternating days or something along those lines would be a great idear.
Patrick wrote:
Before anyone buys an ATV they should consider buying a bicycle instead. America is experiencing an obesity epidemic. ATV's just help reinforce the anti exercise mindset embraced by so many.
wow

South Salem, NY

#12 Sep 4, 2008
What about the Golf Courses? What about the Marinas? What about the Ballfields? The soccer fields? The same thing could be said about all of these public funded activities. Should we shut them all down? The Golf courses are terrible for the enviroment all there runoff to the bays and waterways. The newer 4 stroke machines are very quite and use much less fuel then your car. And we ride around in millions of those on Long Island.
Gary wrote:
Why should the county have to "step up" and give away land for this 1 percent of the population that wants to ride these loud, obnoxious things? There is no way that I should have to have my tax dollars go towards something that not only would I never use, but that benefits so few people. Let these people get together and buy some land of their own if they need to ride so badly.
wow

South Salem, NY

#13 Sep 4, 2008
Thats the idear of haveing a safe legal controled riding area for people who enjoy this sport.
dumb wrote:
These noisy, gas guzzling vehicles are a nuisance. Underage operators often ride them on public roads or on LIPA property in my area. The county should be enforcing the law, not giving away public land for their use!
People are retarded

Yonkers, NY

#14 Sep 4, 2008
Oh no! The ATV damaged the dirt! You people are pathetic. ATV's might kill a few plants but not more than you eat in a day. Get an ATV and you'll understand how much fun it is and its worth whatever stupid little 'environmental damage' you think it causes. People on LI are the lamest in the country. Move to Florida and retire so maybe some of us young folks can buy some property that we can afford! When property prices become reasonable than maybe we can buy enough land to ride on. Until then, we are going to ride illegally. Oh, and one more thing, we'll tear up the highways too with our supersports.
ATV Law Breakers

West Babylon, NY

#15 Sep 5, 2008
Judging by the above posts Suffolk residents appears greatly concerned about all-terrain-vehicle users lacking places to ride. Almost any form of amusement invented, it seems to me, will attract some adherents; presto - an instant political constituency with rights, "needs" and demands. But consider this form of amusement for a moment. It is one, I suggest, which we all are better off without.
Like its cousins, the "personal watercraft" and the snowmobile, the ATV empowers a single person to disturb and/or harm a great many by noise and air pollution. The principle behind each of these toys is that every last corner of the world must be open to invasion by fast, noisy, motorized vehicles. We seem to have become a people for whom anything fun must entail burning gas, going fast and making a lot of noise. For a growing majority of Americans, the landscape already consists mainly of roads and highways connecting parking lots, while what remains of nature retreats into fast-shrinking islands. But even these islands, we are told (especially by the manufacturers of such toys for "grownups"), should be opened to motor vehicles. Increasingly we drive (in oversized, polluting gas-guzzlers) to our places of amusement - which themselves consist of driving. The ATV and its relatives are the perfect amusements for, and expressions of, the land of the fat and lazy and home of the childish, inconsiderate and aggressive.
I don't see any use of taxpayer funds to support ATV use as a proper or effective way to mitigate the harm it causes. If ATV drivers can't find places to drive, perhaps they've chosen the wrong "sport." Our governments are hard-pressed enough to find genuine needs.
Besides the majority of riders are white trash
open minded

Levittown, NY

#16 Sep 5, 2008
The county should provide some land for atv use considering how much land the county has given for marinas, golf courses etc... All of which serve 1% of the population of the the county. I am sure they all do way more damage to the environment then an 50 acre ATV park. I mean if the county can provide land for people to use toy trains then they should also provide some land for atv use. I don't ride or own atv's but I think the county should provide some recreation outlets for the community. Long Island sucks for young people that's probably why they all leave here as soon as they go away to college.
Suffolk county putting good use to land. All you oldies must love this!
http://www.trainweb.org/lils/
wow

South Salem, NY

#17 Sep 5, 2008
Very good post.
open minded wrote:
The county should provide some land for atv use considering how much land the county has given for marinas, golf courses etc... All of which serve 1% of the population of the the county. I am sure they all do way more damage to the environment then an 50 acre ATV park. I mean if the county can provide land for people to use toy trains then they should also provide some land for atv use. I don't ride or own atv's but I think the county should provide some recreation outlets for the community. Long Island sucks for young people that's probably why they all leave here as soon as they go away to college.
Suffolk county putting good use to land. All you oldies must love this!
http://www.trainweb.org/lils/
Dirtbags

United States

#18 Sep 6, 2008
Dirtbags, thats all ATV riders and racers are.
Now Ive Seen It All

Hopatcong, NJ

#19 Sep 6, 2008
Jim D wrote:
that is right!!! Take away everything and then question, why do out kids do nothing.
It is WRONG for government to address illegal acts with a REWARD. Lock them up confiscate then destroy their vehicles then paut a lien against their parents' homes for the full value until little Tony completes 5 yrs probation. Hit them low and hit them hard is the only way you can stop something like this
Now Ive Seen It All

Hopatcong, NJ

#20 Sep 6, 2008
open minded wrote:
The county should provide some land for atv use considering how much land the county has given for marinas, golf courses etc... All of which serve 1% of the population of the the county. I am sure they all do way more damage to the environment then an 50 acre ATV park. I mean if the county can provide land for people to use toy trains then they should also provide some land for atv use. I don't ride or own atv's but I think the county should provide some recreation outlets for the community. Long Island sucks for young people that's probably why they all leave here as soon as they go away to college.
Suffolk county putting good use to land. All you oldies must love this!
http://www.trainweb.org/lils/
Golf, marinas, etc are all LEGIT uses, ATVs are illegal and the stuff of Palin suporters. If LI sucks for young people then maybe Mom and Dad should not have bred them. And "leave for college"??? the problem is THEY DON'T LEAVE. They work at Tony/Phils/Mama Guidos pizza or the local (big) hair salon and NEVER ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING

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