Police investigate crash of all-terra...

Police investigate crash of all-terrain vehicle and Harley-Davidson...

There are 53 comments on the Public Opinion story from Jun 24, 2010, titled Police investigate crash of all-terrain vehicle and Harley-Davidson.... In it, Public Opinion reports that:

Police are investigating a crash that reportedly happened after two fire policemen on all-terrain vehicles chased a man on a motorcycle Tuesday night in Quincy Township.

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cascade

Lawrence, MA

#49 Jun 30, 2010
LIL JOHN wrote:
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You would think such illustrious people would obey the law too!
As in ''not permitted to persue'' not drive an ATV on a highway let alone ram a vehicle etc.!
BTW ---- DID YOU READ THIS!
''Traffic control. That's all they're there for is parking cars and handling traffic," said Mont Alto Fire Department President Charlie Baker about the role of fire police''
These amendments widened the scope of authority of Fire Police in Pennsylvania to have limited police powers. Although they have no authority to make arrests, they do have the right to detain someone, within reason.

All Fire Police Officers are sworn officers of the law and when on duty shall display a badge of authority and shall be subject to control of the chief of police of the city, borough, town or township in which they are serving, or if none, of a member of the Pennsylvania State Police. Disobeying a Fire Police Officer is the same as disobeying a Police Officer, Sheriff's Deputy, State Constable or State Trooper and assaulting one is a felony.
SMU

Washington, DC

#50 Jun 30, 2010
LIL JOHN wrote:
After all that you are not man enough to say "I was wrong"!
Yet you have proven to be wrong about literally EVERYTHING, and are never man enough to admit it. You, coward, reek of hypocrisy.
Say What

York, PA

#51 Jun 30, 2010
SMU wrote:
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Yet you have proven to be wrong about literally EVERYTHING, and are never man enough to admit it. You, coward, reek of hypocrisy.
While I may not agree with everything LJ says, he has yet to be PROVEN wrong on EVERYTHING but rather you and others DISAGREE with his opinion and fail to provide backup to YOUR opinion.
SMU

Washington, DC

#53 Jun 30, 2010
Say What wrote:
While I may not agree with everything LJ says, he has yet to be PROVEN wrong on EVERYTHING but rather you and others DISAGREE with his opinion and fail to provide backup to YOUR opinion.
Listen, locke/lost/marie antoinette, I'm not talking about opinions. I'm talking about things LIL JOHN was so sure would or wouldn't happen and he turned out to be completely wrong, time and time again (two examples off the top of my head: Obama being elected president, and health care reform passing). He belittles any who disagree with his predictions, yet each time he's proven wrong, instead of admitting he was wrong, he reverts to spinning things around like the coward that he is.
Say What

York, PA

#54 Jun 30, 2010
SMU,

You're oh so wrong and I've used NONE of those or any other names!

Maybe he was wrong about predicting the election of the Messiah and yes, health care was passed and both based on promises that have been broken or forgotten and shady deals!

And you have the nerve to accuse him of spin tactics when the likes of your partners, Dan & Dave are the spin masters, that's rich!!!
LIL JOHN

Newville, PA

#55 Jun 30, 2010
cascade wrote:
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These amendments widened the scope of authority of Fire Police in Pennsylvania to have limited police powers. Although they have no authority to make arrests, they do have the right to detain someone, within reason.
All Fire Police Officers are sworn officers of the law and when on duty shall display a badge of authority and shall be subject to control of the chief of police of the city, borough, town or township in which they are serving, or if none, of a member of the Pennsylvania State Police. Disobeying a Fire Police Officer is the same as disobeying a Police Officer, Sheriff's Deputy, State Constable or State Trooper and assaulting one is a felony.
Interesting! Just who was in charge of the wannebes?
Just who was there ''as to be in charge''

They cannot arrest anyone -- on that you are flat out wrong, unless it's as a private citizen making a citizens arrest --- they have no arresting powers!
LIL JOHN

Newville, PA

#56 Jun 30, 2010
SMU wrote:
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Listen, locke/lost/marie antoinette, I'm not talking about opinions. I'm talking about things LIL JOHN was so sure would or wouldn't happen and he turned out to be completely wrong, time and time again (two examples off the top of my head: Obama being elected president, and health care reform passing). He belittles any who disagree with his predictions, yet each time he's proven wrong, instead of admitting he was wrong, he reverts to spinning things around like the coward that he is.
What comes around goes around george -- you fool!

BTW george I post more sources than all the leftwing dummys combined! How is that spin? Idiot!
LIL JOHN

Newville, PA

#57 Jun 30, 2010
cascade wrote:
For All The Retards That Don't Know Or care for fire police Robert Smith Was in the right. and .05 was after he fled to gettysburgh it was most likely over the limit at the time robert tried to detain him.
In 1980 (Act 122 - current law), the Fire Police Act was amended to, among other things, make it clear that the act does not grant the right or power to use firearms or other weapons in the course of an officer's duty.
These amendments widened the scope of authority of Fire Police in Pennsylvania to have limited police powers. Although they have no authority to make arrests, they do have the right to detain someone, within reason.
All Fire Police Officers are sworn officers of the law and when on duty shall display a badge of authority and shall be subject to control of the chief of police of the city, borough, town or township in which they are serving, or if none, of a member of the Pennsylvania State Police. Disobeying a Fire Police Officer is the same as disobeying a Police Officer, Sheriff's Deputy, State Constable or State Trooper and assaulting one is a felony.
Where do you get your lies from

''The chase ended when the left side of Smith's ATV struck the right side of the motorcycle's side car.''
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/localnews/...

Not one word about gettysburg nor one word about any if at all about level of consumption of alcohol !

Liars like you give the firecops the bad name that they have!
You are a pathetic liar!
Jim H

Pottstown, PA

#58 Jun 30, 2010
Say What wrote:
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Jim H,
Not to start a p match, but I know he does know the law as he's a retired LEO.
If I'm not mistaken, the FP are given pretty explicit orders at this event of what they are to do and not to do.
Understood, but LEOs (and I have several friends who are LEOs, are not necessarily correct in their understanding of the law. I still remember when I received my first license to carry a firearm. As I picked it up from the Deputy Sheriff he said, "now Mr. H_____ remember you have to keep your firearm concealed at all times..." I corrected him and told him that was absolutely untrue and contrary to law. He did not believe me and thought I was going to argue with him. I said no, and in fact I did not intend to carry openly but it was perfectly legal to do so. At that time I was one of the leading dealers in the state for the PA Gun Law Guide and was very certain in my knowledge. I pulled a copy out of my briefcase and showed him the law, and then gave him the book.

As to the FP, you can give them specific instructions but you cannot tell them they cannot do something the law specifically gives them the authority to do, or if you do, it is completely irrelevant. The power to provide Scene security and crowd control are among powers provided Fire Police. That would be no different then bringing police to an event and ask them to direct traffic, but tell them under no circumstances are they to arrest anyone for any reason.
LIL JOHN

Newville, PA

#59 Jun 30, 2010
Jim H wrote:
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Understood, but LEOs (and I have several friends who are LEOs, are not necessarily correct in their understanding of the law. I still remember when I received my first license to carry a firearm. As I picked it up from the Deputy Sheriff he said, "now Mr. H_____ remember you have to keep your firearm concealed at all times..." I corrected him and told him that was absolutely untrue and contrary to law. He did not believe me and thought I was going to argue with him. I said no, and in fact I did not intend to carry openly but it was perfectly legal to do so. At that time I was one of the leading dealers in the state for the PA Gun Law Guide and was very certain in my knowledge. I pulled a copy out of my briefcase and showed him the law, and then gave him the book.
As to the FP, you can give them specific instructions but you cannot tell them they cannot do something the law specifically gives them the authority to do, or if you do, it is completely irrelevant. The power to provide Scene security and crowd control are among powers provided Fire Police. That would be no different then bringing police to an event and ask them to direct traffic, but tell them under no circumstances are they to arrest anyone for any reason.
I'm curious -- how do you give powers to untrained people?
Then I want you to tell us what training that wannebe had to chase a person on an ATV!
Jim H

Pottstown, PA

#60 Jun 30, 2010
LIL JOHN wrote:
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I'm curious -- how do you give powers to untrained people?
Then I want you to tell us what training that wannebe had to chase a person on an ATV!
Lil John, because it is early in the evening and I am far from being out of patience (tonight) I am going to try to speak to you as an adult.

If the person is on duty with no training, address that with his Fire Chief or his Fire Police Captain. It is a sad fact that there are such people. It is more a liability issue for the department than a legal requirement that a FPO have training. MOST FPOs DO have training. Even most of the FPOs I know who have never had formal training (very few) are very experienced and very professional. So if a dept. and the municipality approve someone to be a FPO and they are sworn in, they are a FPO and have all the powers the law provides them. Now if I were king formal training would be a requirement, but the fact is it is not. However you will never be a certified FPO without it but that has nothing to do with the law. And it is a fact in most every field that there are people who take classes and pass tests who are not nearly as good in the field as some old pros who are self taught. Still, my position is that training cannot hurt.

The person in question MAY be an irresponsible yahoo, but it is just as possible that he is a good person, a good FPO, who got caught up in the moment, and made the wrong decision by jumping on that ATV. I don't think any of us will know until the case shakes out in the legal system.
LIL JOHN

Newville, PA

#61 Jun 30, 2010
Jim H wrote:
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Lil John, because it is early in the evening and I am far from being out of patience (tonight) I am going to try to speak to you as an adult.
If the person is on duty with no training, address that with his Fire Chief or his Fire Police Captain. It is a sad fact that there are such people. It is more a liability issue for the department than a legal requirement that a FPO have training. MOST FPOs DO have training. Even most of the FPOs I know who have never had formal training (very few) are very experienced and very professional. So if a dept. and the municipality approve someone to be a FPO and they are sworn in, they are a FPO and have all the powers the law provides them. Now if I were king formal training would be a requirement, but the fact is it is not. However you will never be a certified FPO without it but that has nothing to do with the law. And it is a fact in most every field that there are people who take classes and pass tests who are not nearly as good in the field as some old pros who are self taught. Still, my position is that training cannot hurt.
The person in question MAY be an irresponsible yahoo, but it is just as possible that he is a good person, a good FPO, who got caught up in the moment, and made the wrong decision by jumping on that ATV. I don't think any of us will know until the case shakes out in the legal system.
''' It is more a liability issue for the department than a legal requirement that a FPO have training'''

Well that explains a lot!

The are putting people in charge without training! Really? Who would have thought that possible after this incident!

I see you stopped using your 'Eye Witness' BS! BTW another surfaced did you read his account ? LOLOL

The aftermath of this whole incident, by your own posts -- is that they put people out there with out training to do whatever they 'think' is the Law ..

That's reassuring to the rest of us!

Your condescending attitude is so typical of an arrogant ignorant person given a badge with no training , just like the incident that was reported here!

Let's see, just who is awaiting charges here?
Jim H

Pottstown, PA

#62 Jul 2, 2010
LIL JOHN wrote:
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Let's see, just who is awaiting charges here?
According to the only report I have seen ""As a result of the crash investigation, charges are anticipated against Smith. However, those charges have not been filed yet," Miller said.

He declined to speculate what the charges might be."

I have not heard the results of the investigation. Would llove to know.

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