All-Terrain Vandalism? - Sentinel & Enterprise

A large metal gate at the entrance to a network of conservation trails off Pleasant Street has been forcefully opened so many times by people seeking to ride their all-terrain vehicles that it no longer latches, according to Conservation Commission Chairman Robert Verge. Full Story
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wheely boy

Leominster, MA

#1 Jun 14, 2010
Get out of my way or I'll ride my 4 wheeler up your ***!!
BowHunter

Brookline, MA

#3 Jun 14, 2010
wheely boy wrote:
Get out of my way or I'll ride my 4 wheeler up your ***!!
Real tough from a key board warrior.
Blueboy

Fitchburg, MA

#4 Jun 14, 2010
Poor excuses, if they wanted to catch these law breakers they could do so. This is a lot of baloney chief, Do your job.
annie

Brookline, MA

#5 Jun 14, 2010
shoot them.
FedEx

Worcester, MA

#6 Jun 14, 2010
If you don't own land, don't buy an ATV. Put added responsibility to the dealers selling ATVs to people who are just going to break the law and trespass with them. Start impounding the ATVs of people you catch, or maybe hang some wires up to clothesline these lawbreakers when they come speeding by.

And Paula Bertram, you sound absolutely stupid. It is PATHETIC that the town of Lunenburg looks to you as a leader.
Off road advocate

United States

#7 Jun 14, 2010
FedEx wrote:
If you don't own land, don't buy an ATV. Put added responsibility to the dealers selling ATVs to people who are just going to break the law and trespass with them. Start impounding the ATVs of people you catch, or maybe hang some wires up to clothesline these lawbreakers when they come speeding by.
And Paula Bertram, you sound absolutely stupid. It is PATHETIC that the town of Lunenburg looks to you as a leader.
Clothesline them really? who sounds stupid and irresponsible? Paula has a great point, there should be legal places to ride. I have as much right as a horse rider or anyone else to enjoy what ever form of recreation i choose. I would never ride a ATV on conservastion land, that is stupid. There are thousdands of offroad parks for ATV's and Jeeps opening up everyday all over the country. Maybe a good business opp for a Lunenburg land owner? Regarding the towns saying if they had place they would be liable, im tired of this BS scare tactic. Of course they are, and they are anyway if its legal or not. and they liable for anyone visiting town land, on foot or otherwise. Just stop the BS. You can have waivers drafted as every other ATV park does.

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#8 Jun 14, 2010
These ATV's are the tearing up the paths killing plants and trees Not to mention the wasted gas. Scaring away great wildlife. Really get off and walk a little, I wount kill you and you might see some nature a deer hawks ect. Just to let you know there are hickers like myself that walk with a camara and take pics of those that are breaking the law and we turn those pics into the police. So if you are caught you will be fined. Ready?
Big Picture

Gloucester, MA

#9 Jun 14, 2010
Back when I was a teenager, people didn't like skateboarders on city hall steps or in the church parking lot. Cops harassed them and caused a lot of friction. End result? Skate parks were built and the kids have a place to skate board without bothering anybody. I suggest a similar solution to the ATV problem. As they said there is no LEGAL place to ride. So make one. Set aside some of the "less scenic" trails for mixed use, ATV and pedestrian. Clearly marked so pedestrians know what they're getting into and the ATV's have a warning to stay on their own trails.

As far as liability goes, sell permit stickers with the ATV's registration on them (all legal ATV's must be registered!) Have the owners and operators sign waivers at that time. And put the responsibility on the legal riders to help support the area by policing their own otherwise the trail would be closed.

I don't own or ride an ATV, mostly because I have nowhere to ride one. IF there was a local park available I and many others like me would love to enjoy this hobby that gets people off the couch and out in the woods.

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#10 Jun 14, 2010
Big Picture wrote:
Back when I was a teenager, people didn't like skateboarders on city hall steps or in the church parking lot. Cops harassed them and caused a lot of friction. End result? Skate parks were built and the kids have a place to skate board without bothering anybody. I suggest a similar solution to the ATV problem. As they said there is no LEGAL place to ride. So make one. Set aside some of the "less scenic" trails for mixed use, ATV and pedestrian. Clearly marked so pedestrians know what they're getting into and the ATV's have a warning to stay on their own trails.
As far as liability goes, sell permit stickers with the ATV's registration on them (all legal ATV's must be registered!) Have the owners and operators sign waivers at that time. And put the responsibility on the legal riders to help support the area by policing their own otherwise the trail would be closed.
I don't own or ride an ATV, mostly because I have nowhere to ride one. IF there was a local park available I and many others like me would love to enjoy this hobby that gets people off the couch and out in the woods.

A lot of communitys all over the US are outlawing the use of ATV's due to the damage that they do. National parks and conservations all over are making the use of ATVs illegal. There is enough research out there on the damage they do that hopefully this area will not make them legal in any area. Own your own land and do damage to your own land. Wild life is just starting to come back. No use going back in time now. Get out and walk it is good for you!
FedEx

Worcester, MA

#11 Jun 14, 2010
I'll agree, clotheslines are not rational. But if you think there's ever going to be a designated town area for ATV riding, you're out of your mind. How much liability insurance does the town need to take out because some idiot rides his ATV off of a town-owned jump and wants to sue the town because he's paralyzed?

If you don't own land, don't buy an ATV! If you want to tear up your own yard and smash into your own trees, go for it, live it up. If you want to do it on town-owned conservation land, you're going to pay big for it.
its1984

Concord, MA

#12 Jun 14, 2010
The problem is this: The tree huggers have closed nearly all of the legal places to ride in MA. There are no strong ATV clubs to maintain a trail system.

There are a number of places to ride where "no one bothers you", however these places become overrun very quickly and get closed down (too many riders too little space).

Riding ATV's has gone from riding from point A to B exploring unpopulated areas to driving around in circles in a gravel pit. Those who stray outside the gravel pit destroy all the good trails and piss off the neighbors and get the gravel pit closed.
Big Picture

Gloucester, MA

#13 Jun 14, 2010
Zimmer wrote:
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A lot of communitys all over the US are outlawing the use of ATV's due to the damage that they do. National parks and conservations all over are making the use of ATVs illegal. There is enough research out there on the damage they do that hopefully this area will not make them legal in any area. Own your own land and do damage to your own land. Wild life is just starting to come back. No use going back in time now. Get out and walk it is good for you!
Damage to the land huh? Well You're right. They damaged a bunch of land, cut down acres of trees and bulldozed everything in sight in Mansfield to build a massive building where some guys play football a few days a year. They filled in wetlands, rerouted streams and disrupted wildlife migration in Leominster to build a mall. The ATV trails are ALREADY THERE and with some basic maintenance they won't destroy ANYTHING. Trees are left standing. Nature runs its course. Wildlife may be scared on occasion but they get scared daily by cars, domestic dogs and cats etc. anyway. Why is it OK to ruin and destroy nature for one person's pastime, but not another?

And how long before "big brother" closes ALL trails to everyone due to pedestrian traffic ruining the woods? Leominster is on the first stages of that by closing off parts of Sholan Farms. A slippery slope my friend. At what price do we have pristine woods, if no one can enjoy them? I'm not advocating opening up all trails to ATV use. Have people who know the land carefully plan and select areas to minimize their impact on nature and the surrounding area. It keeps good people legal, and will keep the ATV's away from the hikers so they can enjoy their hike in peace.

Since: Sep 09

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#14 Jun 14, 2010
Big Picture wrote:
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Damage to the land huh? Well You're right. They damaged a bunch of land, cut down acres of trees and bulldozed everything in sight in Mansfield to build a massive building where some guys play football a few days a year. They filled in wetlands, rerouted streams and disrupted wildlife migration in Leominster to build a mall. The ATV trails are ALREADY THERE and with some basic maintenance they won't destroy ANYTHING. Trees are left standing. Nature runs its course. Wildlife may be scared on occasion but they get scared daily by cars, domestic dogs and cats etc. anyway. Why is it OK to ruin and destroy nature for one person's pastime, but not another?
And how long before "big brother" closes ALL trails to everyone due to pedestrian traffic ruining the woods? Leominster is on the first stages of that by closing off parts of Sholan Farms. A slippery slope my friend. At what price do we have pristine woods, if no one can enjoy them? I'm not advocating opening up all trails to ATV use. Have people who know the land carefully plan and select areas to minimize their impact on nature and the surrounding area. It keeps good people legal, and will keep the ATV's away from the hikers so they can enjoy their hike in peace.
I do not agree with all the building on wetlands either. To much building with very little planning about how it impacts the nature around said site.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_forests_pdf/...

http://huey.colorado.edu/LTER/assessments/eis...

http://www.vnrc.org/article/articleview/25399...

http://www.naturaltrails.org/issues/fieldguid...

http://www.nps.gov/biso/parkmgmt/upload/chapt...

A little light reading.
Greg

Leominster, MA

#15 Jun 14, 2010
ATV use and the passive enjoyment of the environment are imcompatable. I go walking or hiking to get away from the noise and congestion of the city, not to be forced off the trail by the roar of loud and destructive vehicles. Damn, the things you see when you don't have your gun.
Rider

Fitchburg, MA

#16 Jun 14, 2010
ATV riders have earned their place as the group most despised by all other trail users. Even dirt bikers can't stand them, as they would still be allowed much more trail access if so many lazy clueless people weren't suddenly buying machines that completely remove any challenge from making one's way through the woods. Taking an ATV down a trail by definition makes it no longer a trail, but a rutted boring eyesore of a dirt road. ATV riders put BY FAR the most wear and tear on trails and do ridiculous amounts of damage to wetlands and private land, but 99.9% of ATV riders make 0.0% effort to repair or maintain trails. That is precisely the reason they only have a few legal spots left to ride and even with tens of thousands of ATV riders in the state, they can't get enough volunteers to show up a few days a year and keep up with the damage they do in those places. ATV sales in Mass should be restricted to the physically handicapped and little kids on Powerwheels in their yards. The rest of you should man up and learn to ride on two wheels, maybe stop whining about how nobody's giving you trail systems on a silver platter to destroy and planning your next trespassing mission, and instead go out and fix what you've trashed instead and try to educate the overwhelming majority of your buddies that have absolutely no clue about what it takes to be responsible trail users. Maybe then sometime down the road, after you've EARNED it, poeple won't have so many perfectly valid reasons to think you all suck. For now, ride around your lawn a few times after a good rain and tell us how you didn't do any damage to it.
Offroad

Winchendon, MA

#17 Jun 14, 2010
More legal riding areas would make for less so called vandalism. When all riders are forced into a small area to enjoy riding and there is no maintenance of course it's going to get destroyed. When was the area designated "Conservation Land"? Those trails were there before that designation was in place and I'm sure there was riding there before it was "Conserved".
Rider

Fitchburg, MA

#18 Jun 14, 2010
Big Picture wrote:
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Damage to the land huh? Well You're right. They damaged a bunch of land, cut down acres of trees and bulldozed everything in sight in Mansfield to build a massive building where some guys play football a few days a year. They filled in wetlands, rerouted streams and disrupted wildlife migration in Leominster to build a mall. The ATV trails are ALREADY THERE and with some basic maintenance they won't destroy ANYTHING. Trees are left standing. Nature runs its course. Wildlife may be scared on occasion but they get scared daily by cars, domestic dogs and cats etc. anyway. Why is it OK to ruin and destroy nature for one person's pastime, but not another?
And how long before "big brother" closes ALL trails to everyone due to pedestrian traffic ruining the woods? Leominster is on the first stages of that by closing off parts of Sholan Farms. A slippery slope my friend. At what price do we have pristine woods, if no one can enjoy them? I'm not advocating opening up all trails to ATV use. Have people who know the land carefully plan and select areas to minimize their impact on nature and the surrounding area. It keeps good people legal, and will keep the ATV's away from the hikers so they can enjoy their hike in peace.
ATV riders WILL NOT respect limited trail access. You know it; everyone knows it. They've proven it time and time again.

And wanting other people to do all the work is typical ATV mindset. "I pay taxes - make me trails!" is what you all love to say. They rest of us pay taxes and we still put in countless volunteer hours to earn the right to build and use trails. If I see a place on a trail that needs a bridge, I go buy some materials, get permission from land managers, haul the stuf into the woods, and build a bridge. You guys whine that the state isn't doing if for you, and that my taxes aren't going to pay for maintenanc ya'll are too lazy to do yourselves. The whole 4-wheel mindset is a much better fit for gravel pits than it is for fragile shared resources like our public forests. And you know all this is true. ATVers made their own bed, and now they're lying in it, whining.
truth

Fitchburg, MA

#19 Jun 14, 2010
How could this be, the land of the free, home of the brave? Indigenous holocaust, and the home of the slaves.
You folks need some real problems if you're bitch'n about some trails in the woods.
Erich

United States

#20 Jun 14, 2010
They should have legal trails to ride on around here. If the trails were managed there would be none of this nonsense of "an ATV ran over a stick and the forest is destroyed". Wind does more damage.
friend of Lunenburg

Leominster, MA

#21 Jun 14, 2010
its1984 wrote:
The problem is this: The tree huggers have closed nearly all of the legal places to ride in MA. There are no strong ATV clubs to maintain a trail system.
There are a number of places to ride where "no one bothers you", however these places become overrun very quickly and get closed down (too many riders too little space).
Riding ATV's has gone from riding from point A to B exploring unpopulated areas to driving around in circles in a gravel pit. Those who stray outside the gravel pit destroy all the good trails and **** off the neighbors and get the gravel pit closed.
Gravel pits are also private property. Illegal trespassing should be dealt with just as with conservation land.

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