North Whitehall may give ATV riders more room to roam

North Whitehall Township plans to amend its regulations for all-terrain vehicles after receiving complaints from local enthusiasts. Full Story
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Katie Bar the Door

Schnecksville, PA

#1 Apr 17, 2009
Now that I'm here.

And all you who came before me must change.

Wahhhhh. Mom!!

Jeebus. Shut up ya crybabies.
Developer

Reading, PA

#3 Apr 17, 2009
Don't WalMart sell ATV's?
Laural Butryn

AOL

#6 Apr 17, 2009
this is not all correct at the township meeting they stated you needed to have 3 acres to ride anyone under 3 acres is not permitted to ride on their own land. Also you will have to have them registered, insured and must have a driver training class and certificate. Also they mentioned age restrictions as well. We currently own one acre and our neighbor has one acre in which we share so all our kids can ride together and we are no longer permited to do so on our own property which I feel is taking away our rights as tax payers and homeowners. I feel way too strict for a township like ours no other township around us has anything like this. We went from no ordinance at all to being completely shut down and I feel this is very unfair!
nwtpb

Telford, PA

#7 Apr 19, 2009
If it is your land, ride them on your land, stay off of land that is not yours. The township has never wanted to deal with complaints like this before, you get the police involved, they cant find the people driving them to charge them, now that they made an ordiance and no one opposed, now they want to change it, hmmm. My point it, what is yours use it, what is mine, is mine and dont abuse it.
LAT

Schnecksville, PA

#9 Apr 20, 2009
I find it sad that all owners ATV's will be punished because of a 3 year battle in a neighboorhood of Breezy acres. If this mess couldn't be resolved in a court of law then how can the township solve it? For the noise complainers....many atv's and cycles are less noisy than your typical lawn mower, chainsaw,snowblower. Rehrigs....why dont you move out of the neighboorhood, stop calling the police every five minutes on everyone,as they have real crimes to worry about and the twsp is short enough on police coverage. Yor constant videotaping of your neighbors children is just plain creepy, dont you have anything better to do....like go to work???Your constant complaints are hurting other homeowners in the twsp who do work for what they have and pay taxes. Please move away and stop this nonsense. I also think the PA State police should start charging for all these bogus distress calls. I hope the twsp zoning realizes this is a domestic dispute between neighbors and not a reason to waste time rewriting new ordinances to please one very out of control situation.
Valerie Brown

King Of Prussia, PA

#11 Apr 20, 2009
I was not aware that an article on ATV ordinances was a place for a person to make derogatory remarks about their neighbor, especially since you do not know them on a personal level,your neighbor started with nothing and built a successful roofing business,has done numerous things for people in his community,such as help them buy a home, put new roofs on the church for free, taken a homeless family with 2 small children get them clothes, put them in a hotel, buy them food until he could get them back to New York with their families! What have you done other than move into a neighborhood and terrorize small children with your video camera, and harrass other neighbors with the same type of nonsense to the point they have posted signs on their front lawn stating no video taping! This is about ATVS not your personal feelings!
Concerned friend

Fogelsville, PA

#12 Apr 20, 2009
Mr. neighbor - with all due respect (which is very little) you are way off base with regard to Ed Hillanbrand. I have known him for 15+ years and although recently his family has had struggles, this was in large part due to your near CONSTANT harrassment! Get a job, stop abusing the system(s) and TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO TREAT YOU!!!!(By the way, that's Matthew 7:12.)
out of control

Lansdale, PA

#13 Apr 20, 2009
For all those who just tuned in there were 2 comments in which we had to remove due to false accusations about Mr. Hillanbrand. We would like to keep the ATV ordinance as the main factor in the rest of the comments. Everyone needs to know that the reason the ATV ordinance is even being updated is due to 2 residents in the Breezy Acre neighborhood and the township is listening to them because I feel the township thinks this will be a big money making ordeal just as they did for Walmart. They want to fine $500 per violation in which the new ordinance how they state it you are in violation in any way you ride. What will they do with all this money try and pocket it like they did the money from Walmart. I can see having an ordinance but since when is it fair to tell people you can't have fun on your own private property whats next we won't be able to have a picnic. Get a life I won't be voting for any one of them and I hope you won't either.
Kate

AOL

#14 Apr 20, 2009
this is rediculous. just let the kids ride all they want. you have no control over what they do. i no all my friends and i love to ride. we enjoy it they are just taking away soo much of our live and land its not even funny.
Taylorrrr

Schnecksville, PA

#15 Apr 20, 2009
Okay, I understand people have likes and dislikes of all sorts of things. But taking away privleges that us land owners have, is totally out of control. I don't care who you are, If it's your land, and your doing nothing harmful to it/ or someone else's property, What is the problem? Seems to me, These neighbors you have been hearing about, Have to get something better to do except video taping and being at the township 24/7. Yes, I enjoy riding ATV's and I do not see what the problem is if your only out there for an hour or two. This isn't even about the ATV's anymore, It's about Neighbors trying to get control of the neighborhood. Yes, I'm a kid, and I know some of you might think my opinion doesn't matter, and I don't blame you. I mean, What's a kid gunna do? Yes, I live on anthony drive, and Im getting sick of it. I never would have imagined people like this would be making such a huge deal out of ATV's. Well, Seems to me, They dont like anyone else having fun except themselves. Pretty sad right? I hope some of you are getting the picture now that we have to be told, by our neighbors, and the township, what we can/or cannot do on our OWN property, That we PAY for. I'm only 13 and I dont want to be involved in ANY of this crap. It gets really frustrating sometimes, And I mean, I thought neighbors were suppose to be considerate...Hmmm. Thats not the way it is on anthony drive :/
response to NWTPB

AOL

#16 Apr 20, 2009
Exactly we are not on anyone elses property and have never abused anybody elses property. We have never abused the decibel readings, our ATV's are stock and will always remain that way. There are so many nuicenses in the world today whatever one human may decide what a nuicense is. I may not like the sound of a Harley at 7 am on a Sat morning waking me up. but do you see me at the township building everyday wining about it? So why is the township taking our rights away from us because of a certain two. You say no one opposed the ordinance, how are we suppose to know they are changing it if the township doesn't let the residents know, we have kids and better things to do with our lives then go to every township meeting that is held ie: basketball, softball, basketball, school activities, atv's are just a part of our life, not all of it. Not everyone has a computer to look things up, we never received a letter that anyone was even complaining until they sent us 8 violations, no one even knows what the Township is doing. The Township just changed the ordinance in Nov and now they are changing it again with stricter regulations we go from no ordinance to a ton of crap that pretty much restricts everyone to ride. Where are our rights, when we voted the people in we thought they would be fair, we see nothing fair for the people that enjoy riding, only the few that don't like it. As far as I'm concerned these public servants only seem to serve a few, public servant must have a different meaning to this board. If you go back into the minute archives at the North Whitehall site how many complaints are there? We only found 2, and guess who they are from the 2 property owners on Anthony Drive, so once again hmmmmm what is the real story here.
Amanda

Atlanta, GA

#17 Apr 21, 2009
I don't even live on this street and I think it is ridiculous. I do however have some relatives that had the unfortunate luck of buying a house across the street from people who have nothing better to do then WATCH other people. I mean honestly does your own life suck that bad that you fell the need to bring everyone else down with you. These are young kids that like to ride 4-wheelere. OOOOOOO big crime in that right?? I mean really how much harm does it really cause? And you know I've noticed through reading all of these posts that the 2 families opposed to the riding of the ATV's have not said one word. Maybe it's because now that the Morning Call has published the story showing them for the true morons they are. You know I truly feel sorry for their daughter being exposed to this extreme degree of ignorance. All I know is I hope they allow the ordinance for people ti ride their 4 wheelers and with any hope maybe this story will help to expose the real fraud......the people that are 911 happy!!!!
Taylorrrr

Schnecksville, PA

#18 Apr 21, 2009
It's great to know some of you guys that dont live on anthony drive (lucky you) are getting the point of what us neighbors go through every single day. I don't understand, I really don't. What is so bad about three kids, in their back yard riding ATV's for 1 or 2 hours at most. Having fun, and just hanging out. I know for a fact that every single one of you have something you enjoy doing alot, well try and have that certain thing you like, taken away from you by your own neighbors, just because they want control. Must suck eh? yeah, that's how we feel on anthony drive. Some of you do not have a CLUE what kind of things go on there. It amazes me how we went to having no ordinace AT ALL, to being down at the township every two weeks to discuss the new and upcoming ordinances. Just because of our neighbors.

Anthony Drive: Wonderful place isnt it?
Walking Distance

Allentown, PA

#19 Apr 21, 2009
Developer wrote:
Don't WalMart sell ATV's?
Somebody say Wal-mart?
Didn't catch it , I was sleeping.
What's up?
Honky Lips

Allentown, PA

#20 Apr 21, 2009
LAT wrote:
I find it sad that all owners ATV's will be punished because of a 3 year battle in a neighboorhood of Breezy acres. If this mess couldn't be resolved in a court of law then how can the township solve it? For the noise complainers....many atv's and cycles are less noisy than your typical lawn mower, chainsaw,snowblower. Rehrigs....why dont you move out of the neighboorhood, stop calling the police every five minutes on everyone,as they have real crimes to worry about and the twsp is short enough on police coverage. Yor constant videotaping of your neighbors children is just plain creepy, dont you have anything better to do....like go to work???Your constant complaints are hurting other homeowners in the twsp who do work for what they have and pay taxes. Please move away and stop this nonsense. I also think the PA State police should start charging for all these bogus distress calls. I hope the twsp zoning realizes this is a domestic dispute between neighbors and not a reason to waste time rewriting new ordinances to please one very out of control situation.
Being out in public is your permission to be photographed.(stills or video)

I live in the twsp but not near the problem.
I do video record what I think may need to be admitted as evidence in a court of law.
Lat

Schnecksville, PA

#21 Apr 21, 2009
Honky Lips wrote:
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Being out in public is your permission to be photographed.(stills or video)
I live in the twsp but not near the problem.
I do video record what I think may need to be admitted as evidence in a court of law.
The key here is being out in public....not living your life and being videotaped and stalked while you do things other than what YOU feel is needed for court evidence, like cutting grass, playing basketball, this makes one wonder if the person doing the video is sane or just plain crazy! I am sorry if you dont see the harm in children having a person standing at their home taping almost everything they do. could sit down and think about what you are doing.....believe it or not other peoples right are being violated by you actions when you constatnly film them and you have been asked to stop!!! My concern is the atv ordinance and not this crazy neighboorhood problem, how obvious this is that someone needs to intervene before someone is pushed over the edge...in which case the children are still the loosers.
Mr Honkey Lips

AOL

#22 Apr 21, 2009
Honky Lips wrote:
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Being out in public is your permission to be photographed.(stills or video)
I live in the twsp but not near the problem.
I do video record what I think may need to be admitted as evidence in a court of law.
Well that's fine if it's for a crime, but what crime is it to mow your lawn, shovel snow, practice pitching with your children and most of all video tape 20 12 year old kids in there bathing suits at a swimming party? If you feel there is no violation of the law there then you need to have your own head examined. There are signs all over this persons lawn stating video taping or photography strictly forbidden, if the permission is not given to take pictures or video tape a minor than they shouldn't be doing it. Last I checked you still need to sign approval for a school to video or take pictures of your kids as well for any sports. The law states your are not aloud to video tape minors on private property without permission of the property owner or else you can be sued for invasion of privacy.
Honky Lips

Allentown, PA

#23 Apr 22, 2009
Lat wrote:
<quoted text> The key here is being out in public....not living your life and being videotaped and stalked while you do things other than what YOU feel is needed for court evidence, like cutting grass, playing basketball, this makes one wonder if the person doing the video is sane or just plain crazy! I am sorry if you dont see the harm in children having a person standing at their home taping almost everything they do. could sit down and think about what you are doing.....believe it or not other peoples right are being violated by you actions when you constatnly film them and you have been asked to stop!!! My concern is the atv ordinance and not this crazy neighboorhood problem, how obvious this is that someone needs to intervene before someone is pushed over the edge...in which case the children are still the loosers.
Maybe I don't fully understand your neighbor or the problem.

I never record my neighbors* only things which threaten damage to property or the safety of others.

I'm not sure how I would handle your circumstances.
One seldom does until they're in a particular situation.

My point was that you are photographed or recorded in almost any public area.
Comuter cars, buses, tollboothes and in some instances, intersections.
then there's the stores, malls.
the list is almost endless.

If you're directly involved in the situation, kepp posting here. You may be able to work somthing our or maybe you'l get an idea on how to handle it.

(*other than what may be needed in court for a conviction of a criminal offense.)
Honky Lips

Allentown, PA

#24 Apr 22, 2009
Mr Honkey Lips wrote:
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Well that's fine if it's for a crime, but what crime is it to mow your lawn, shovel snow, practice pitching with your children and most of all video tape 20 12 year old kids in there bathing suits at a swimming party? If you feel there is no violation of the law there then you need to have your own head examined. There are signs all over this persons lawn stating video taping or photography strictly forbidden, if the permission is not given to take pictures or video tape a minor than they shouldn't be doing it. Last I checked you still need to sign approval for a school to video or take pictures of your kids as well for any sports. The law states your are not aloud to video tape minors on private property without permission of the property owner or else you can be sued for invasion of privacy.
I'd visit with one of the B.O.S.

If I came up empty there, I'd visit my State Representative and run all of this by him.
nwtpb

Telford, PA

#25 Apr 22, 2009
"RESPONSE TO NWTPB"

then ride on and enjoy yourself. i am not against it, hel* i live across from the hotel and actually enjoy hearing the harleys leaving the hotel at 230 in the morning, my point is the asshol* punks ruining my property with atv's, etc and being jackas** about it because the township would not create an ordiance, now they did. so all that i ask is you stay off of my property and be safe.

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