State shortens trails for ATVs

State shortens trails for ATVs

There are 51 comments on the Berkshire Eagle story from Jun 22, 2010, titled State shortens trails for ATVs. In it, Berkshire Eagle reports that:

All-terrain vehicle enthusiasts are butting heads with the Department of Conservation and Recreation after the state agency closed more than half the off-road trails in Pittsfield State Forest.

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Move

Berne, NY

#1 Jun 23, 2010
Don't like it? MOVE! There are plenty of jerkwater southern states that don't give a damn how much you disrespect Mother Nature. Go down and live with those clowns. You'll fit right in.
Bea Greene

Pittsfield, MA

#2 Jun 23, 2010
This is why millions of gallon of oil are spewing into the Gulf of Mexico. Because of the useless waste of cheap oil. Try a pair of hiking boots and stop complaining.
Rebel Rider

Springfield, MA

#3 Jun 23, 2010
I dont pay for registration I ride on any trail I want and when I come upon "Move" & "Bea Greene" dressed in the spandex & hiking boots preforming the dirt road can slam, I rev it up and toss an empty beer can
Flo Baker

Pittsfield, MA

#4 Jun 23, 2010
Rebel Rider wrote:
I dont pay for registration I ride on any trail I want and when I come upon "Move" & "Bea Greene" dressed in the spandex & hiking boots preforming the dirt road can slam, I rev it up and toss an empty beer can
And when we find bone heads like you we put sand and or sugar in their gas tanks. That always quiets things down. Ha ha ha!

A good sharp stick facing up in the trail works well also.
rickf

Florence, MA

#7 Jun 23, 2010
The attitudes shown by the responses from BOTH sides are perfect indications of why our society is always at odds with itself. If the atv riders would turn in the riders who tear up the land(you know who you are, we see your machines covered with mud from where you have been causing damage to the woods etc.) and the ones who break the law maybe the publics views would change. If the non riders would allow that some like motorised forest travel and that most are not out to destroy nature, and report those who do, an equitable solution could be reached. Ride carefully(I have seen the erosion at Beartown by the upper brook), be respectful(everybody!), obey the laws, Give way to which ever side needs it(hikers, bikers, riders etc. if an atv rider is attempting to climb a hill etc. don't stay in middle of the trail and block the way. Lose the tude. All of us. Ditto riders. No trash, quiet the exhaust, go easy around hikers, horses etc.) There are plenty of trails and forest to go around. Abuse it; lose it.
David

Chester, MA

#8 Jun 23, 2010
Trails should be shortened to the length of public trails open in Connecticut. I believe that to be ZERO.
your kidding me right

Amsterdam, NY

#10 Jun 23, 2010
rickf hits the nail on the head i have owned a atv and chose to sell it and stop ridding because i did not want to be assoceiated with a group of people who are so disrespectful not all but most who dont care whos on the trail in front side or behind them and feel the need to sit in a water hole and spin your tires to make it deeper or eroding the soil off the rocks underneath to have nothing but rock to ride on as in beartown and washington mtn and say nothing of all the beer cans in our woods friend and i went for a ride one day in washington and decided to spend the day and pick cans up thank you all we came out of washington with $15.00 worth free day of ridding so trails will shorten to the point of 0 unless the attitude changes then people like me will be there to say i told you so
idiots

White River Junction, VT

#11 Jun 23, 2010
I see both sides of this issue I guess. I grew up riding my dirt bikes & atvs with my friends in Savoy State Forest. We were up there every weekend from age 12 to 20. I was always registered and legal, and respectful of hikers, horses, mtn bikers and most importantly the land itself. We had fun don't get me wrong, but never deliberately tore up the trails or wrecked them for everyone else. We even had permission from several private land owners to cut across to get to other trails and again, never had a problem with the owners...sometimes they would even come out when they saw us to give us a soda or whatever! I've been done riding in the woods for about 10yrs...bought a streetbike and never looked back. But since then Savoy, and several other areas have been closed and I see why. Riders were goin up in March/April when the trails were still soft and ripping the sh|t out of them. There was garbage all over the place, tire tracks were going off the trail everywhere, huge mud holes all over. Who's going to pay for all that repair? On top of that when I'd walk my dog up there atvs would fly by with zero respect or concern for safety...my friends and I would pull over/shut down and ALWAYS let the hiker pass. So for those of you riders who are whining now, oh well! Too bad. The small percentage of you ruined for everyone and I side with the state now. I do feel bad for the few responsible riders, but unfortunately it only takes a few turds to pollute the whole pool.

On a side note, some of you need to go back to 2nd grade and learn some basic grammar. Jesus, never saw such horrible run on sentences.
dcr blows

Gansevoort, NY

#12 Jun 23, 2010
scumbags....ill stop payin for registration now and romp those trails anyways
professor

Williamstown, MA

#13 Jun 23, 2010
dcr blows wrote:
****....ill stop payin for registration now and romp those trails anyways
Now that's a smart boy. We need more lads with this attitude, you must be one of our three beloved Republicans in Billsville.
Park User

Hinsdale, MA

#14 Jun 23, 2010
This is for Gordy's comment on how Conneticut atv riders boost our economy. The trials are being closed because of them! They have no respect for our state parks and have ruined trail access for mass riders. Maybe you should move to conn. if you like them so much! If I was your boss at Ronnies I would tell you to shut your big mouth and keep your dumb oppions to yourself stupid!
whats new

Clifton Park, NY

#15 Jun 23, 2010
I love riding in the state forests, i have helped rebuild the bridges and groom the trails in Pitsfield state forest for a few years. we do all the work and then you take away more of our rights ,how about all the ATV riders don't fix, groom or maintain the trails for all the (environmentalists, walkers, horseback riders and the mountain bikers) and let everyone else do it. I bet if i wanted to put up a low cost housing unit there that it would pass, you build on every other open lot in town. lol you wonder why there is so much crime and drugs in the city keep taking away everything from these kids and adults, soon you will have nothing and nobody.
Louie

Agawam, MA

#16 Jun 23, 2010
Check your maps,many town roads are not even used anymore(dirt roads)If your registered you have more of a right to be there than a snomobile,even in winter.These roads are still claimed as town roads so towns have more road miles to claim for budgeting and grants.
FJoe

United States

#17 Jun 23, 2010
whats new wrote:
I love riding in the state forests, i have helped rebuild the bridges and groom the trails in Pitsfield state forest for a few years. we do all the work and then you take away more of our rights ,how about all the ATV riders don't fix, groom or maintain the trails for all the (environmentalists, walkers, horseback riders and the mountain bikers) and let everyone else do it. I bet if i wanted to put up a low cost housing unit there that it would pass, you build on every other open lot in town. lol you wonder why there is so much crime and drugs in the city keep taking away everything from these kids and adults, soon you will have nothing and nobody.
The dopers selling drugs and shooting each other will never ride ATV's. Don't try to make ATVing our as some family buiding wholesome activity. And no matter how carefully you ride it still tears up the trails. Most of the trails in the forest are a huge mud pit mess because of ATVs and dirtbikes, but I will say mountain bikes contribute their fare share of damage as well. At least the mountain bikers have to put a lot of effort into their rides so they are not out drinking and running all day.

I hope the ATV clowns that are threatening to ignore the closure go ahead and continue to tear up the forest - that should shut down the forest entirely to ATVs and make it easy to catch you dopes.
nope

Clifton Park, NY

#18 Jun 23, 2010
Louie wrote:
Check your maps,many town roads are not even used anymore(dirt roads)If your registered you have more of a right to be there than a snomobile,even in winter.
Are you under the impression that snowmobiles AREN'T registered??

The DCR (or whomever) has created the [desired] problem of over-crowding the trails by shutting down a significant number of forests. Now when the concentrated traffic more rapidly "destroys" the trails, they can say "See, we told you they're destructive, let's ban them some more." Closing more trails will just force the remaining riders onto the same smaller trail system, and yes, they will get destroyed rapidly as well. Instead of whining about the "destruction" why don't they take some of our registration money and MAINTAIN the trails? Now there's a novel idea. They take all of our registration monies (hunting, fishing, ATV, snowmobiling, etc.) and squander it all.

For what it's worth, take a look at the parking lots where ATVs are allowed - a majority of the license plates are riders from Connecticut!
Louie

Agawam, MA

#19 Jun 23, 2010
nope wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you under the impression that snowmobiles AREN'T registered??
The DCR (or whomever) has created the [desired] problem of over-crowding the trails by shutting down a significant number of forests. Now when the concentrated traffic more rapidly "destroys" the trails, they can say "See, we told you they're destructive, let's ban them some more." Closing more trails will just force the remaining riders onto the same smaller trail system, and yes, they will get destroyed rapidly as well. Instead of whining about the "destruction" why don't they take some of our registration money and MAINTAIN the trails? Now there's a novel idea. They take all of our registration monies (hunting, fishing, ATV, snowmobiling, etc.) and squander it all.
For what it's worth, take a look at the parking lots where ATVs are allowed - a majority of the license plates are riders from Connecticut!
No,It is just that a wheeled vehicle has just as much right to be on a closed road as a snomobiler.I have had snowmobilers come to me on a closed road with my wheeler and tell me I shouldn't be there.On a road that I pay taxes on.On a road that wouldn't be there if it wasn't for a wheeled vehicle.
professor

Williamstown, MA

#20 Jun 23, 2010
Louie wrote:
<quoted text>No,It is just that a wheeled vehicle has just as much right to be on a closed road as a snomobiler.I have had snowmobilers come to me on a closed road with my wheeler and tell me I shouldn't be there.On a road that I pay taxes on.On a road that wouldn't be there if it wasn't for a wheeled vehicle.
Funny how some people make up their own justifications. Perhaps you should take a little time and read up on the laws that govern these roadways, there are laws you know.
no kidding

Lenox, MA

#21 Jun 23, 2010
It seems that the argument is moot. You could be the most law-abiding, land restoring, respectful rider ever born to this world. An endangered species is an endangered species; you're outranked.
Junior Samples

United States

#22 Jun 23, 2010
"I can't do any riding right now from my house," said fellow Ronnie's employee Gordie LaPlante. "That's sad to say because [ATV riding] brings so much to the local economy. There are Connecticut plates all over because there's no riding in Connecticut, so everybody comes out here, and it boosts our local economy.... And they're just ruining all that."

Sure......the local beer can economy.The only thing I hate more than a snowmobile greese ball is an ATV greese ball. How many camps are now pillaged and broken into by these slobs who would otherwise not be in the woods because they are to lazy to hike? How many deer poachers use these? Want to keep them off your property? Just take a couple of boards and fill them with finish nails and burry them just below the surface.After a few flat tires these jerks will get the message.Same goes for the dorks with the Jeeps and other four wheel trucks that can be seen covered with mud days after they tresspassed and pillaged.They wear it like a badge of honor.


Dave in Dalton

Saint Paul, MN

#23 Jun 23, 2010
nope wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you under the impression that snowmobiles AREN'T registered??
The DCR (or whomever) has created the [desired] problem of over-crowding the trails by shutting down a significant number of forests. Now when the concentrated traffic more rapidly "destroys" the trails, they can say "See, we told you they're destructive, let's ban them some more." Closing more trails will just force the remaining riders onto the same smaller trail system, and yes, they will get destroyed rapidly as well. Instead of whining about the "destruction" why don't they take some of our registration money and MAINTAIN the trails? Now there's a novel idea. They take all of our registration monies (hunting, fishing, ATV, snowmobiling, etc.) and squander it all.
For what it's worth, take a look at the parking lots where ATVs are allowed - a majority of the license plates are riders from Connecticut!
The closing of trails is nothing new. 16 or 17 years ago, the state wanted to close all the trails in all the forests to wheeled vehicles. They succeeded in closing some. The domino effect, which the writer above attests to, is a stark reality. With all the trails being overtaxed with traffic, if you close anything, the traffic goes elsewhere and then those areas cannot come close to supporting the increased traffic and the trails and terrain breaks down. You have the same amount of riders with fewer trails and the domino effect gives the regulators reason to close more trails. Perhaps the desired adjenda is to eventually close all the trails.

The clubs try hard to maintain the trails but the same unselfish heros get burnt out doing all the work for the majority of those that ride. The writers that suggest that the registration money or even gas tax money should be utilized to build trails are right on. I support this concept but I would venture that the state has a totally different adjenda as well as those that profess to be environmentalists.

There are thousands of acres of Public Land in this state. It should not be unreasonable to think that there should be trail access for all riders of all types. Everyone needs to work together to make this happen but reality is you will never get the hiking boot people to align with the motorheads on anything.

Another reality is you will never completely shut out those wanting to ride their desired machine whether it be a bicycle or a 4 wheeler. Outlaws will always be outlaws.

As for those from CT. coming to Mass to ride on Mass trails, this hardly seems fair to those that reside in Mass. CT has no trail system of any kind for ATVs. At the very least, those from out of State should be required to buy a registration in the state they are riding in. This is pertinant particularly if the registration money is funneled to trail maintenance, creation or upkeep.

I would also like to venture that if the Jefferson Salamander causing all this rucus is found in the pools on the trails, those pools would not exist without the vehicle traffic. Maybe vehicle taffic is a good thing.

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