Lunenburg aims to crack down on trail...

Lunenburg aims to crack down on trail trespassers - Sentinel & Enterprise

There are 60 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Dec 23, 2010, titled Lunenburg aims to crack down on trail trespassers - Sentinel & Enterprise. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

The Conservation Commission is hoping to improve control over the illegal use of all-terrain vehicles on conservation land.

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JIm

Fitchburg, MA

#1 Dec 23, 2010
I'm not an ATV rider, but if its woods and has trails, let them ride on it
Trailuser

United States

#2 Dec 23, 2010
I use my ATV to clear the trails for hikes, bikers, X-country skiers and for our horses. If it were not for us after the big ice storm, these trails would still be impassable. Also, Mass wants a lot of money in sales tax for ATVs but they do not provide a place to ride them like NH, ME, VT do ‚Äď before they start to crack down they need to waive sales tax, or give the ATVs a place to be ridden. I also hope the commission will do a good job of not just fining all ATVs, especially the ones who are out not to go yahoo on the trails, but are there to clean them and make them passable for all to enjoy, the commission to get better at communicating and working with all people who use the trails and not pass judgment like they always do.
Townsend

Gardner, MA

#3 Dec 23, 2010
Snowmobiles have studs on the bottom of the tracks to if they had done a little research on the subject ! If there is not much snow it will also tear up the ground its up to the driver of the machine ! These people who complain should take a nice ride sometime and see how nice riding a 4x4 can be not all riders are out there to tear up the trails some of us just like spending time with the family and with our kids ! Ma. needs to give us place to ride and not just complain we pay enough in taxes in this state and what do we get nothing . Look at N.H they give you places to ride and people from M.A. are paying for there nice trails .Get a life and stop ####### about everthing lifes to short .
it is bad

Bradford, VT

#4 Dec 23, 2010
Mr. JIm: Apparently you don't walk the trails either, bc if you did you would know how much demage atvs cause. and to your point mr. JIm, I don't think it's ok for a few people to ruin something that it is intended for all.

Mr. JIm you seem to enjoy sharing your thoughts in this forum, and at times have made positive contribution to discussions. However at times like this, I wish you would stick to what you know and keep your ill formed opnion to yourself.
walnuts

Leominster, MA

#5 Dec 23, 2010
Guess you can't go on the trails unless you are a birkestock wearing hippy dippy. These conservationists are the most judgmental, elitist, stuck up people you could ever meet.
Unless you can walk, you can't go. What about the handicapped?
Lunenburg

United States

#6 Dec 23, 2010
My property abuts conservation land. I walk my dog out there. I never see ATV's out there. I wish that woman would end her silly crusade. It's b.s.

I have a question? Read the state laws on Conservation lands. It states it's illegal for all motor vehicles to ride on conservation land. Why does the town mark these trails for snowmobiles. And allows these gifted folks to break the law? It's usage discrimation!!!

The horses are also having impacts.

I'm all for use of public lands. But this woman clearly discriminates agains Lunenburg residents. I hope this goes to court.
BowHunter

Sterling, MA

#7 Dec 23, 2010
The vast majority of the ATV users out there have no regard for the trail network, conservation land and people's private property.

For some reason they think it's just okay to ride where ever they want.

I've seen first hand not only the destruction they have caused but the disregard for this land, I've cleaned up old ATV batteries, oil containers, beer cans, food wrappers etc.

No to mention it's impossible to clean up the oil stains that is left after they change their oil on the side of the trail, this was in Shirley.

As far as the snow mobiles causing damage to the trail, this is not true, the blanket of snow does protect the trail, and for those idiots that ride their snow mobiles on the dirt they deserve what they get.

The Lunenburg snow mobile riders club is a great group of people, they know how to ride with responsibility.

The reason why this is a big issue now is because the anti ATV's are coming out in droves, and now have the local and the EPO police involved, strengths in numbers, if the pro ATV people are really concerned they should be attending the Shirley and Lunenburg meetings and tell them how you feel, you can say what you want on the site, but it's not going to get you anywhere.

It's also not the responsibility of the state or towns to give you land to ride ATV's on.
BowHunter

Sterling, MA

#8 Dec 23, 2010
Dear Lunenburg;

I think you're idea is a great one, you should file a complaint and take the Shriley and Lunenburg conservation commissions to court.

As far as not seeing any damage on the trail, well I don't think you venture to far away from your house.

Can you also describe the damage that these horses cause, If you find the damage on the trails, take pictures and attend the Shirley and Lunenburg meetings.

We can ever go further with this matter, does your dog do his business on the trails, and if so do you clean it up?????
Mellon271

Columbia, MO

#9 Dec 23, 2010
Seems there's a lot of confusion between town-owned land and conservation land. In any case, riding an atv on conservation land is illegal. It's not what the land was donated or otherwise acquired for.

Try taking a walk with a young child in the conservation land by Pleasant St. It can be downright scary, aside for the obvious damage that's been done. Case in point, it cost the town lots of money to rehab the landfill that was damaged by ATV's - which was mostly accessed through the conservation land.

I'm glad to see there's an effort being made to enforce the laws.
Lunenburg

United States

#10 Dec 23, 2010
Just like walking my dog on the beach, I respect the privelage and carry plastic bags. I have nothing against motorized use on public lands. I do have a problem when taxpayer money is used to fund the privelages of bird watchers. When I voted to purchase conservation land, I thought it was to keep house lots from being developed. But no,
tree huggers pass laws to restrict usage to bird watching. Look at Maine & NH, they can manage usage for all activities. But not here in the "NO" state. You don't accept horse damage, because you're caught up in the tradition. I can produce pictures of damage that is 100% horse damage. I live at the trail head. Their have never been any ATV's using these trails. Take a look at the Sierra Club trails. The hickers have created so much damage. But the tree huggers won't admit it, becuase it's their 'get away' paradise.

For every use in the forest damage occurs.
Lunenburg

United States

#11 Dec 23, 2010
See www.mass.gov

The use, parking or storage of motorized vehicles, including ATVís, motorcycles, campers, except as necessary by safety officials in the performance of their official duties.

Is a snowmobile considered a motorized vehicle?

I guess not when the President of the local snowmobile club is married to a member on Board of Selectman.

Let's bring legal equality to all Lunenburg tax payers. Remove town owned land from Conversation status. Change it to Recreational land. This land belongs to all residents, not just bird watchers.
Lunenburg

United States

#12 Dec 23, 2010
III. Prohibited Acts and Uses, Exceptions Thereto, and Permitted Uses:

7. The use, parking or storage of motorized vehicles, including ATVís, motorcycles, campers, except as necessary by safety officials in the performance of their official duties;
Lunenburg law suit

United States

#13 Dec 23, 2010
And yes, when someone takes the Town of Lunenburg to court for motorized discrimination, I will be pissed seeing my tax dollars used to defend this woman.
Jack Meoff

Fitchburg, MA

#14 Dec 23, 2010
People, people, people, How will they catch the violators? Are they going to give the police roller skates to chase them? These people are liberal big mouths. They won't spend any money on ATV'S for police or O.T. They would rather spend it on tad poles screwing in a puddle! They are only in the lime light because this rag has nothing else to report....
Michelle

Leominster, MA

#15 Dec 23, 2010
Personally I would rather step in an ATV rut than a big steamy pile of horse crap. If people had more places to ride, they wouldn't ride illegally.
Townsend

Gardner, MA

#16 Dec 23, 2010
If there isnt much snow and people cant wait until it gets deeper studs will tear up the ground causing damage to the presious ground !And any snowmobiler who says other wise has there head where the sun dont shine !
Lunenburg

United States

#17 Dec 23, 2010
Townsend, clueless post. Good sleds are now priced at $13k. Not to many folks are willing to wreck their investments riding on dirt. You'd be better off to cry about scaring those chipmunks.
Discrimination

Clinton, MA

#18 Dec 23, 2010
Is Ms. Jordan using her elected position to discriminate access to public lands in Lunenburg? She must be aware that it's illegal for all motorized vehicles to operate in conservation lands in Massachusetts?

We should unite and recall her from office. The last thing we need is more lawsuits against the Town of Lunenburg.
Recall Ms Jordan

Clinton, MA

#19 Dec 23, 2010
I just emailed my discrimination concerns to Martha Coakley's office. Also included Ms. Jordan's public statements that appeared in this article.
Let's see if Mrs Coakley is willing to enforce the conservation law. No motorized access applies to everybody. Sorry snowmobilers...
I agree with an earlier post. We need to nuke the conservation status and change it to recreational use. Then 'everyone' can leagally enjoy access to town property.
BowHunter

Sterling, MA

#20 Dec 23, 2010
It's my recollection that this town and others can grant permission for certain groups, IE snow mobiles to use the towns land, again with permission.

I said it before and I'll say it, you're wasting your time complaining on a site like this.

If you want to take action and get all your questions answered get yourself on the board of selectman's agenda, not the conservations agenda, the BOA are the ones who have final say on all matters.

As far as lawsuits, I'm more worried about some yahoo on an ATV with no insurance hitting a tree and then suing the town stating he had no idea he couldn't ride here.

Has everyone read the new ATV law that was passed this fall????



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