Some wonder how ban on ATVs can be enforced - Sentinel & Enterprise

Sitting by the Crocker Pond beach area, Tom Torrans can hear the roar of engines trekking through the hiking trails at the rear of the 100-acre recreational area, but by the time he hikes out to the area the damage is done, with only the far-off whisper of engines. Full Story
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nowhere

Fitchburg, MA

#1 Aug 15, 2010
The problem will not go away until the state provides MORE areas to ride atv's LEGALLY. Right now there are only two or three places. Two in far western MA and maybe one down the cape that actually allow atv's, not just off-road vehicles. And these places only allow the 4X4 atv's. Not the sport quads most kids ride. AND they're usually closed most of the riding season due to rains. We should take a page from places like Arizona. They actually provide not only MANY places to ride but also provide off-loading ramps, watering spots, first aid stations, and many more "aids" to riders of all types. So, that being said, WHY would any atv owner register their quads?? Why pay the state money? To tell you you can't ride anywhere but PRIVATE property?? Don't need to register them if they're rode on private property. If you register something in this state, you should be able to insure it. And if you can insure it, you should be able to ride it on public lands and roads. I don't think you can insure quads in MA yet. But if you CAN, the state has No rights to refuse a registered, insured quad owner access to public lands to ride on.
Shaking My Head

Rochdale, MA

#3 Aug 15, 2010
The problem will not go away when so many of those who ride ATVs ignore the law. "Nowhere" seems to think it's his/her right to have a place to legally drive his/her ATV. Huh? What?

Listen, don't expect the Feds, or the Commonwealth (and her taxpayers), or other private property owners to provide you with an amusement park.

Either buy your own property and drive on it, or go someplace that has bought property for you to drive on, and pay them an entry fee. What? They don't exist? Then establish one yourself, or realize there isn't enough demand for someone to create the industry.

However, if riders think the answer is to ignore the law, tear down No-Ride info signs, and drive their ATV vehicles in numbers that destroy protected land, then they are wrong and not to be pitied. They need to be fined and pointed out in the media.

It use to be that companies thought it was OK to dump pollution into rivers throughout this Commonwealth and this country. They ignored conservation laws and did what they wanted to because they perceived it as their right. We found out how successful that idea was, didn't we? ATVs who destroy protected areas will find out they are as smart as other environmental lawbreakers, that is, not so smart.

What I don't understand is Nowhere's seeming attitude that it's his/her right to ride an ATV for pleasure seemingly anywhere, just because it's his/her pleasure. I'd like to drive my car on the sidewalks, but I don't. It's illegal and destructive. Likewise for ATVs, I'm sure.
Shaking My Head

Rochdale, MA

#4 Aug 15, 2010
dan wrote:
This old fart Tom needs to get a life. This is the gay state, Pot is legal also so why is it such a crime if I rip it up after work? I bet I have your attention now D'BAG. I'm happy to know I'm pissing you off. Stop checking out little boys and I'll give up four wheeling!
To other ATV riders, is this statement typical of your opinions, or is this guy out of line?

Because this is exactly the stereotype of an ATV rider I have in my mind. Please let me know if I'm right or wrong.
NTVs

Fitchburg, MA

#5 Aug 15, 2010
ATV riders have nowhere to ride because they ruined it for themselves (and dirt bikers by association while they were at it). Quads do BY FAR the most damage of any trail users and quad riders are BY FAR the least likely to ever show up to help maintain the trails. Quad trails aren't enjoyable for anyone else, and quad riders won't respect any sort of shared use set-up where they are asked to stay off certain trails.

With the thousands of quads out there, you'd think you guys could keep up with the few legal trails you've got. Nope. You just sit and whine that somebody else should do all the work for you on our dime. Get off your motorized couches and go out and fix some of what you've trashed and maybe people will start taking you seriously.
Trail User

Maynard, MA

#6 Aug 15, 2010
It seems people want a groomed park like setting in the woods? I do not own or ride ATVs but welcome them because they keep trails that I jog on open. The so called damage is trivial. Yes to some seeing open dirt or rocks seems unnatural but even the worst heals in short time. Where I jog the trails are littered with downed trees that the local gov't ignores making it impassable. ATVs are here to stay so lets provide them with an area to ride on and just maybe they will stay away from those who don't understand them.
atv

Fitchburg, MA

#8 Aug 15, 2010
ATV riders = white trash
NTVs

Fitchburg, MA

#9 Aug 15, 2010
Did you look at the pic in the article? Not everyone considers a 10 foot wide heavily rutted and braided dirt road a 'trail'. I know I don't.

Type 'ATV damage' into Google images and you'll see what the problem is. Nobody can keep up with that kind of wear and tear. Even many (if not most) dirt bikers can't stand quads, for a lot of good reasons. 4 wheelers should be limited to the handicapped.
NTVs

Fitchburg, MA

#10 Aug 15, 2010
Trail User wrote:
the local gov't ignores making it impassable.
Right, like there's a bunch of spare money for that laying around

Trail work is done almost exclusively by volunteers. About 0% of which are ATV riders. Why should the rest of spend out time cleaning up for/after them? My suggestion, next time you come across a downed tree, reach into your pack and pull out your saw and get rid of it. Organize some trail work days or make a point of finding out when there are some going on and show up. Trails don't just fall out of the sky and magically take care of themselves. And once a quad can fit down it, it's not a trail anymore, it's a road.
SENTINAL

Lowell, MA

#11 Aug 15, 2010
a piece of piano wire strung about head high is a good start
wow

Leominster, MA

#12 Aug 15, 2010
In an unrelated story a cranky old man with nothing to do wants to ban ping pong tables at the boys and girls club, he say's the noise is ruining his nap.
Actually

White Horse Beach, MA

#13 Aug 15, 2010
ATV riders keep the trails clear of brush and other weeds so hikers can trek thru the woods. The ATV's clears poison ivy and oak. If there ATV riders did not ride thru the trails the trails would soon become overgrown. As they ride this helps clear paths for mountain bikers too. I know from experience that a hiker broke his ankle and collar bone 2 miles in the deep woods. There was an ATV trail that was utilized by the Fire Department's ATV to access the hiker and transport him out. If the trail wasn't there and only a hiking path the rescue would have been more stressful for the hiker and this would have an impact on his injuries for the worse. ATV trails also aid in fighting brush fires since they can be utilized for a quicker response to the fire area.
Shaking My Head

Rochdale, MA

#14 Aug 15, 2010
my name is Earl wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey shaking your head!
How's everything down there in Lilly White Falmouth today? I hope some one is crapping their horse or riding an ATV on your other yard While your drinking your Pimm's and policing the private beach. You can probably see a doctor for your condition. Does your jaw shake also? I don't ride ATV's and I think you are just an uptight ****. Pull the knot out of you thong you'll have a bowel movement and feel better in no time at all!
My head is shaking at Earl. Live in Falmouth? You're such an idiot. I live in a neighborhood in Fitchburg that had two murders in it last year. I think you're the one with the problem here.
Shaking My Head

Rochdale, MA

#15 Aug 15, 2010
Oh, now I see. Sorry, Earl. I didn't realize that you don't understand how the internet routing thing works. Yes, I'm on Verizon, routing through a gate located in East Falmouth. However, I'm sitting here in Fitchburg.

So sorry for your ignorance. It's not my fault that you're out of touch, but maybe it's not your fault, either.
Westminster Resident

Worcester, MA

#16 Aug 15, 2010
nowhere wrote:
The problem will not go away until the state provides MORE areas to ride atv's LEGALLY. Right now there are only two or three places. Two in far western MA and maybe one down the cape that actually allow atv's, not just off-road vehicles. And these places only allow the 4X4 atv's. Not the sport quads most kids ride. AND they're usually closed most of the riding season due to rains. We should take a page from places like Arizona. They actually provide not only MANY places to ride but also provide off-loading ramps, watering spots, first aid stations, and many more "aids" to riders of all types. So, that being said, WHY would any atv owner register their quads?? Why pay the state money? To tell you you can't ride anywhere but PRIVATE property?? Don't need to register them if they're rode on private property. If you register something in this state, you should be able to insure it. And if you can insure it, you should be able to ride it on public lands and roads. I don't think you can insure quads in MA yet. But if you CAN, the state has No rights to refuse a registered, insured quad owner access to public lands to ride on.
So, if you buy a Ferrari is the state obligated to give you a road so you can go 150MPH?
You're an imbecile. You buy something and know there is no place to ride. You decide that you'll just tear up the land anywhere you please. I hope they put stop sticks out there and you have a long walk home.
Westminster Spy

Fitchburg, MA

#17 Aug 15, 2010
We should take a tip from the risks our Soldiers face every day in Iraq and Afghanistan.... home made explosive devices. We should install these on the ATV paths and blow the riders up...let them loose a few legs up to the hips. That will keep them out of the woods. Oh yea.... hikers need to be aware just like our Soldiers.
ryan

Maynard, MA

#18 Aug 15, 2010
They keep selling them and we will continue to ride on trails that exist.........spend resources and time of officers on more important issues....waste of time and money in a age of hard times!!!
City Dweller

Leominster, MA

#19 Aug 15, 2010
I said this before just a few months ago when whining about trail damadge was in the S&E about another local town.
It is real easy to get rid of these clowns and do it legally. All it takes is a few officers, check out where they park to get into the areas or where they are getting in and get them right aftwer they unload and enter the area. Slap a few with $250 fines and tow their vehicle, plus charge them in court for any other damadges done.
You can bet word will get around real quick, "Don't Ride There !!!" when a few of these ah's pay the $250 and the tow. Can bet you they won't do it the second time.
You need to quit your whining and get your local and conservation officers in a meeting and address the problem.

The General Laws of Massachusetts

PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGSIN CRIMINAL CASES

TITLE I. CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS

CHAPTER 266. CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY

Chapter 266: Section 121A. Trespasses involving motor vehicles and other powered devices

Section 121A. Whoever, without right, enters upon the private land of another, whether or not such land be posted against trespass, and in so entering makes use of or has in his immediate possession or control any vehicle, machine, or device which includes an internal combustion engine or other source of mechanical power, shall be punished by a fine of not more than two hundred and fifty dollars.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to such an entry at the junction of a public way with a paved private roadway, unless said private roadway is distinguished from the public way by a sign, gatepost, or the display of a street number or the name of the occupant of the premises, or by the improvement of adjacent land, the type of construction of the roadway, or other distinguishing feature, or unless such entry has been forbidden by the person having lawful control of said private roadway.

Nothing herein shall in any way restrict the operation of power boats on waterways not otherwise restricted.
NTVs

Fitchburg, MA

#20 Aug 15, 2010
Actually wrote:
If there ATV riders did not ride thru the trails the trails would soon become overgrown. As they ride this helps clear paths for mountain bikers too.
Speaking as a biker (and hiker, skier, snowshoer and ex-dirt biker), most of us consider ATV trails lame and boring. We much prefer narrow trails. And we manage to keep them clear without making them 8 feet wide with big ruts all over the place. Riding an ATV even a few times down a singletrack hiking or biking trail or even moto trail does enough that it usually takes a couple seasons for the trail to get back to how it was meant to be. Obviously, they can be useful in an emergency situation, but that's totally different thing.

Anybody that would talk sh*t about Mr Torrans without having ever met him is a classless tool. He's a helluva good guy and dedicated volunteer. Wish there were more like him around.
NTVs

Fitchburg, MA

#21 Aug 15, 2010
SENTINAL wrote:
a piece of piano wire strung about head high is a good start
I'm no fan of ATVs, but anybody that thinks like you should be locked up.
That kind of sociopathic BS could easily end up killing or maiming somebody's kid who really just doesn't know better, or a mountain biker riding legally, or a trail runner. And even if it's the evilest trail wrecking ATV maniac in the world, for christ's sake, you don't EVER advocate doing something like that over what amounts in the end to some dirt and weeds.

Get a friggin' grip you whackjob.
Kabul Khan

Grottoes, VA

#22 Aug 15, 2010
Westminster Spy wrote:
We should take a tip from the risks our Soldiers face every day in Iraq and Afghanistan.... home made explosive devices. We should install these on the ATV paths and blow the riders up...let them loose a few legs up to the hips. That will keep them out of the woods. Oh yea.... hikers need to be aware just like our Soldiers.
I'm a local serving over here in Afghanistan reading on-line to keep up with the local news ... and that's not funny,... not even a bit.

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