Spain celebrates Columbus, descendants defend his legacy

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The argument over whether Columbus was a source for good or a wealth-crazed egoist who ran roughshod over native American culture when he and his fellows came ashore in 1492 has fuelled interest in the ...
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AfroDR

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Colombus only brought terror to the western hemisphere. The dominican republic is majorly of african descent and thanks to him and the spaniards along with most europeans. We still live in mental slavery. Good hair bad hair, all that bull. Everyone wants to be so european, even though they are not. We have to deal with tryign to speak like a spaniard, and are ashamed to speak our africanized spanish, "ke lo ke". We also have to deal with false borders like the one diving us from Haiti. We are one people, one african brethren, we even come from the same regions of africa. The only thing dividing us is a language and lots of ignorance. In central america and mexico they have to deal with borders and all these names, guatemala, el salvador, names that never existed prior to colombus. In wish the Anauhac people of mexico lived as one stretching from the midwest USA down to central america. Thankyou colombus, for, wiping out millions of native americans, enslaving millions of africans, and bringing over with you all these dividers that split the land like cake. Thankyou for making it so that everyone who does not look like you, is born inferior. Thankyou.
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May 28, 2006
 
Well, I'm not happy about what Colón did in America, since it was a hard and violent conquest althought History tryes to show this like a "friendly" one. But I don't think it's so different to other many invasions...
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Maska wrote:
Book title: "Latinos Journey to Islam: A Rebirth of an Experience"
http://hispanicmuslims.com
HispanicMuslims.com exists for the purpose of educating Muslims and nonMuslims about Hispanic/Latino Muslims, in an effort, to showcase the diversity of the United States Muslim community. By doing so, hope to encourage more dialogue among Muslims and nonMuslims and to eliminate common misunderstandings about Islam.
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if you lived in the middle east and tried to post a website for evangelizing , you would be tried and executed. if you want dialogue than work for justice in the middle east. strive for the freedon you enjoy to be extended to christians, buddhists, and others in the middle east and asia where there is no dialogue....just chruch burnings and abuse of other faiths. practice what you preach. here is a website to read http://www.persecution.com/
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Spain was only motivated by greed and a hunger for power at the time and used Christopher Columbus for its needs and in turn christopher columbus used the native (Tainos)inhabitants that were there for 100's of years before he arrive to build his wealth on the backs of my ancestors that were made slaves to feed thier hunger for greed and killed off over 10.000 human beings in a short period of ten years after arriving in the new so called world. Religion had nothing to do with the new world, religion was used to hide spain and christopher columbus's hunger for wealth and power.
Evan today some native Dominican's are not aware of the destruction and lies that they have been taught as the real history of thier owen poeple.
So for this Dominican there is no Columbus day parade, to celebrate what? the killing of inocent poeple for wealth and greed, no sir not this Dominican.
Andres

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Nov 29, 2006
 
felix A wrote:
Spain was only motivated by greed and a hunger for power at the time and used Christopher Columbus for its needs and in turn christopher columbus used the native (Tainos)inhabitants that were there for 100's of years before he arrive to build his wealth on the backs of my ancestors that were made slaves to feed thier hunger for greed and killed off over 10.000 human beings in a short period of ten years after arriving in the new so called world. Religion had nothing to do with the new world, religion was used to hide spain and christopher columbus's hunger for wealth and power.
Evan today some native Dominican's are not aware of the destruction and lies that they have been taught as the real history of thier owen poeple.
So for this Dominican there is no Columbus day parade, to celebrate what? the killing of inocent poeple for wealth and greed, no sir not this Dominican.
Yes all that is true I´m not proud about the past.
But there was also good people as Balmes. He was a spanish doctor who went to America and saved millions of lifes with his vaccine. Is the only good think that I can say now.
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Blaming the past is way too easy. Talking about murdered and slavery from your fancy NJ flat must be very confortable...

I strongly recomend you to take some time to:
a) read the whole story
b) think cool and slowly about it
c) come back here and tell us about life in the middle ages...( cause fedudalism was quite white and european slavery fashion at the time).

And columbus with his spanish troops where mary poppins compared to the brits that reconquered the continent leaving almost no trace of its native population, or the current USA navy invading countries for blood, power, money...

The Leaders are too often opresors, here and now, before and in the middle ages...take some time to think about all the people that doesn`t have a computer to post their cool opinions.
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Jan 11, 2007
 
COLUMBUS DONE MUCH TO DESTROY CIVILIZATIONS AND CULTURES,MOST OF CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA,ALSO EAST AND WEST INDIES,PARTS OF AFRICA.THE SPANISH HAVE A LOT TO ANSWER TO,GO TO THERE COUNTRY STILL LIKE 3 WORLD LIVING,THATS HOW THEY LEFT THE COUNTRIES IN THERE WAKE OF MUCH TORMENT CAUSED.ASK LOCAL PEOPLE WHO DESCENDED FROM SPANISH,THERE OPINION VERY ANTI SPANISH.DICTATORSHIP STARTED EARLY IN TIME!!!!DRAKE SHOULD HAVE WIPED CLEAN ANY SPANISH AT TIME OF....
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umm. okay no. i'm dominican, and "afroDR" need's to do his homework because our country is made up of 70% European descendent's, 21% Taino Indian and 9% descendent's of African slaves.
Haitian's and Dominican's have not a thing in common. the Haitian black's were brought by the French from Africa. The Dominican black's were brougt by the Spaniard's from Spain; they were called the "African Munk's"
and their is no such thing as an Africanized Spanish. Dominican's speak spanish but some vocab word's are taken from the Taino language; for example, Dominican's got the word "hurricane" from the Taino. a lot of Spanish speaking countries say "que lo que" it's the modern way of saying "que tal" just like some in America say "what's good" instead of "whats up"
maybe you should do your research before you declare a whole nation to be one race. thank's
PERFECT EXAMPLE: i am dominican, have blue eye's & blonde/light brown hair with the taino skin color (caramel? light light brown. i have no African feature's at all.
when the Spaniard's came to DR it was all men, no women, so they mixed with the Indian, very few mixed with the African's for the reason that they were slave's. that's why those who claim to be of European descent in DR today have a brown skin tone, NOT BECAUSE OF THE FEO NEGROS pero because of the taino.
so because your a descendent of a negrito slave, doesnt mean we all are. thanks, bye!
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Jose Martinez wrote:
umm. okay no. i'm dominican, and "afroDR" need's to do his homework because our country is made up of 70% European descendent's, 21% Taino Indian and 9% descendent's of African slaves.
Haitian's and Dominican's have not a thing in common. the Haitian black's were brought by the French from Africa. The Dominican black's were brougt by the Spaniard's from Spain; they were called the "African Munk's"
and their is no such thing as an Africanized Spanish. Dominican's speak spanish but some vocab word's are taken from the Taino language; for example, Dominican's got the word "hurricane" from the Taino. a lot of Spanish speaking countries say "que lo que" it's the modern way of saying "que tal" just like some in America say "what's good" instead of "whats up"
maybe you should do your research before you declare a whole nation to be one race. thank's
PERFECT EXAMPLE: i am dominican, have blue eye's & blonde/light brown hair with the taino skin color (caramel? light light brown. i have no African feature's at all.
when the Spaniard's came to DR it was all men, no women, so they mixed with the Indian, very few mixed with the African's for the reason that they were slave's. that's why those who claim to be of European descent in DR today have a brown skin tone, NOT BECAUSE OF THE FEO NEGROS pero because of the taino.
so because your a descendent of a negrito slave, doesnt mean we all are. thanks, bye!
WOW! WOW!

I guess you schooled us
boum

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70% Euro?
21% Taino
9% african...

somehow, highly doubtful.

I know, this is what you have been taught!

In what category was Trujillo? I don't understand.

Even 70% of Puerto Ricans are 45/45/10, in their DNA admixture, euro, african, taino last.

So, I think that stats are not too compelling.

Lovely tale, though...

I guess the baseball players in the US, what are they, Taino?

No offense, but Mariah Carey, Nicole Ritchie, and Jennifer Beals all have that tan hue which if being referenced...and a few drops of african can do the same trick!
mr Giblets

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Feb 2, 2008
 
felix A wrote:
Spain was only motivated by greed and a hunger for power at the time and used Christopher Columbus for its needs and in turn christopher columbus used the native (Tainos)inhabitants that were there for 100's of years before he arrive to build his wealth on the backs of my ancestors that were made slaves to feed thier hunger for greed and killed off over 10.000 human beings in a short period of ten years after arriving in the new so called world. Religion had nothing to do with the new world, religion was used to hide spain and christopher columbus's hunger for wealth and power.
Evan today some native Dominican's are not aware of the destruction and lies that they have been taught as the real history of thier owen poeple.
So for this Dominican there is no Columbus day parade, to celebrate what? the killing of inocent poeple for wealth and greed, no sir not this Dominican.
Don't forget that NONE of you Dominicans would even BE in the USA, or anywhere, if it wasn't for Columbus and the English settlers in North America. You wouldn't be there to grumble and moan about the past.
Love of Hx

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Feb 14, 2008
 
NUPEY...How unfortunate that you have been fed n have perpertuated false history....I would like to know how exactly you came up with that amazing break down 70% spaniard descent...so on so forth...when your done w/ your ignor-matics computations...take some time and look at our culture...Food, language, customs, clothing...n then enlighting us to the 70% spaniard contribution to our culture.

Dont allow ignorance to separate us any further. Lets undone and cutoff the tenacles fear and racism that have stifled all humanity: latinos, africans, americans, caucasians, asians etc.
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Feb 14, 2008
 
AfroDR..you are ignorant, leaving here in jercey city and talking about what is to be black, is the black from haiti once a power nation that attack our fragile republic in the beginning of the 19 century, where white spaniard or dominican where kill by Haitian troop, impuse they culture and language on the native population, rape, kill our people. That is why the island was divided, at the begining the move by haiti was welcome by Dominican but after they did what they did,,we push them out, i dont like the bastard and i am proud of my heritage black,spanish and indian, as for the haitian i will advocate to have them exterminated because they are a pest to our society.
Nupey

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Love of Hx wrote:
NUPEY...How unfortunate that you have been fed n have perpertuated false history....I would like to know how exactly you came up with that amazing break down 70% spaniard descent...so on so forth...when your done w/ your ignor-matics computations...take some time and look at our culture...Food, language, customs, clothing...n then enlighting us to the 70% spaniard contribution to our culture.
Dont allow ignorance to separate us any further. Lets undone and cutoff the tenacles fear and racism that have stifled all humanity: latinos, africans, americans, caucasians, asians etc.
Don't muddy my name.
Not my post.
Nupey

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Feb 14, 2008
 
Carlo25 wrote:
AfroDR..you are ignorant, leaving here in jercey city and talking about what is to be black, is the black from haiti once a power nation that attack our fragile republic in the beginning of the 19 century, where white spaniard or dominican where kill by Haitian troop, impuse they culture and language on the native population, rape, kill our people. That is why the island was divided, at the begining the move by haiti was welcome by Dominican but after they did what they did,,we push them out, i dont like the bastard and i am proud of my heritage black,spanish and indian, as for the haitian i will advocate to have them exterminated because they are a pest to our society.
All of you dumb muthas sound alike?

Brainwash is effective. You live in a country with a tense racial past and probably would have been hanged by your "boys" in the wrong side of town.
Dominican Pride

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Feb 15, 2008
 
AfroDR wrote:
Colombus only brought terror to the western hemisphere. The dominican republic is majorly of african descent and thanks to him and the spaniards along with most europeans. We still live in mental slavery. Good hair bad hair, all that bull. Everyone wants to be so european, even though they are not. We have to deal with tryign to speak like a spaniard, and are ashamed to speak our africanized spanish, "ke lo ke". We also have to deal with false borders like the one diving us from Haiti. We are one people, one african brethren, we even come from the same regions of africa. The only thing dividing us is a language and lots of ignorance. In central america and mexico they have to deal with borders and all these names, guatemala, el salvador, names that never existed prior to colombus. In wish the Anauhac people of mexico lived as one stretching from the midwest USA down to central america. Thankyou colombus, for, wiping out millions of native americans, enslaving millions of africans, and bringing over with you all these dividers that split the land like cake. Thankyou for making it so that everyone who does not look like you, is born inferior. Thankyou.
I agree about Colon being an asshole and all the shit, but that’s all I am going to agree with you my African wanna be friend, I seriously doubt you even know where Africa is in the Mapa mundi

The “k lo k’ expression is not even a colloquial greeting phrase, it’s a horrible to way to communicate that has being adopted by our poorly educated street wise youth, and you say this is part of that GREAT AFRICAN bequest?

You really have not appreciation for your African inherence if you believe klok is the best we could’ve gotten out of your black continent ‘motherland’

And what’s that about Haiti and DR being one nation, you really need to go back to school ‘cause I don’t think you pass geography let alone literature or language.

Do you really believe the Haitians want to become part of the DR?

Did you asked the Haitians what they think about your fly of fancy?

What does the sacrifice of so many who had die so you can call your ignorant self Dominican mean to you?

Not much since I see you calling yourself African, I suggest you go to the nearest Haitian or Congo Consulate and ask for the proper forms so you can become one of them.

My Gogh, there is really something wrong with our schools.
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Feb 15, 2008
 
Iam White and Dominican both my parent are white, if there was any mixing in my family happen long time ago and no trace was left, Spain destroy the Taino, so did England and the NorthAmerican Native, Australian native, yes we white have a conqueror complest,,so what move on. i am a proud dominican and the haitian please stay the F out DR, thank you for all you help in the past but is time for you ass to make you own country and leave us alone
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Feb 15, 2008
 
boum wrote:
70% Euro?
21% Taino
9% african...
somehow, highly doubtful.
I know, this is what you have been taught!
In what category was Trujillo? I don't understand.
Even 70% of Puerto Ricans are 45/45/10, in their DNA admixture, euro, african, taino last.
So, I think that stats are not too compelling.
Lovely tale, though...
I guess the baseball players in the US, what are they, Taino?
No offense, but Mariah Carey, Nicole Ritchie, and Jennifer Beals all have that tan hue which if being referenced...and a few drops of african can do the same trick!
This is more acurated:
16% white
44 mulato
40 black

are black are gaining ground every decade,,this is the big dilema with us dominican,

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