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Under fire - from GOP - Trump digs in on Confederate icons

There are 183 comments on the Lake Cowichan Gazette story from Aug 17, 2017, titled Under fire - from GOP - Trump digs in on Confederate icons. In it, Lake Cowichan Gazette reports that:

With prominent Republicans openly questioning his competence and moral leadership, President Donald Trump on Thursday burrowed deeper into the racially charged debate over Confederate memorials and lashed out at members of his own party in the latest controversy to engulf his presidency. Out of sight, but still online, Trump tweeted his defence of monuments to Confederate icons - bemoaning rising efforts to remove them as an attack on America's "history and culture."

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A Bit Late

Beverly, MA

#1 Aug 18, 2017
Where were these "heroic" republicans during the primaries and/or during the election questioning Trump's temperament and competence?

Why do we all have to endure this nightmare come to life to prove to these loyal Republicans that they let a madman take over the GOP?

What terrible thing is going to happen to finally get their attention, for real?

The Republican Party cannot gain an ounce of credibility as long as they allow Trump to remain in office.
Ms Sassy

Paris, TN

#2 Aug 18, 2017
A Bit Late wrote:
Where were these "heroic" republicans during the primaries and/or during the election questioning Trump's temperament and competence?

Why do we all have to endure this nightmare come to life to prove to these loyal Republicans that they let a madman take over the GOP?

What terrible thing is going to happen to finally get their attention, for real?

The Republican Party cannot gain an ounce of credibility as long as they allow Trump to remain in office.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT! NOT ONE OF THEM managed to grow a backbone, and do the right thing, WHEN it would have done some good!
So, Nobody cares what they say, NOW, unless it's that they're going to IMPEACH TRUMP!
They can shove their, "censure" where the "sun don't shine", as far as I'm concerned. It's WAY Too LITTLE, Too LATE...and like trying to put out a burning building with a bucket of water!
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#3 Aug 18, 2017
Trump not bowing to the hysterics and shrill nonsense of the Left, who want to obliterate history, shows character unknown amongst the anti-American Left and their violent goons. Defending history from the monsters displaying more every day their similarity to ISIS barbarians is a good thing and clarifies the difference between Leftist street rabble and civilized human beings. Obama and the extremist Democrats created ISIS, funding and arming them to commit their genocides of Christians and others. Underlying the desire of Leftist Democrats to destroy our historical monuments is the same sick desire of darkness in the world. Falling for the depraved ideologues of the Left in their continued efforts to destroy America and its history is the same as drinking poison.
A Bit Late

Beverly, MA

#4 Aug 18, 2017
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Trump not bowing to the hysterics and shrill nonsense of the Left, who want to obliterate history, shows character unknown amongst the anti-American Left and their violent goons. Defending history from the monsters displaying more every day their similarity to ISIS barbarians is a good thing and clarifies the difference between Leftist street rabble and civilized human beings. Obama and the extremist Democrats created ISIS, funding and arming them to commit their genocides of Christians and others. Underlying the desire of Leftist Democrats to destroy our historical monuments is the same sick desire of darkness in the world. Falling for the depraved ideologues of the Left in their continued efforts to destroy America and its history is the same as drinking poison.
The only one shrill is Trump.

Every Tweet, every "speech" he tires to make is more like a Screech.

President Trump started his Presidency with anger and frustration on Inauguration Day. A day that is supposed to set a positive tone and put forth an agenda of peace and prosperity.

Instead Trump gives a doom and gloom speech. Then he sets Spicer loose to tell bold face lies about the crowds.

It hasn't gotten better. If anything, things just get worse.

If Trump was such a great leader, he would be able to accomplish something regardless of the "shrill" left.

Don't blame democrats. They are not the majority.

If your president is failing, it is all on him and those who support his insane, unstable administration.
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#5 Aug 18, 2017
Your false narratives are being exposed. There is no rule that we must continue accepting your false narratives and increased assaults on American history, human nature, nature itself and nature's God.

Since: Jun 17

Location hidden

#6 Aug 18, 2017
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Your false narratives are being exposed. There is no rule that we must continue accepting your false narratives and increased assaults on American history, human nature, nature itself and nature's God.
Are you addressing your Party's leaders in the Senate and House?
Retribution

Philadelphia, PA

#7 Aug 18, 2017
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Trump not bowing to the hysterics and shrill nonsense of the Left, who want to obliterate history, shows character unknown amongst the anti-American Left and their violent goons. Defending history from the monsters displaying more every day their similarity to ISIS barbarians is a good thing and clarifies the difference between Leftist street rabble and civilized human beings. Obama and the extremist Democrats created ISIS, funding and arming them to commit their genocides of Christians and others. Underlying the desire of Leftist Democrats to destroy our historical monuments is the same sick desire of darkness in the world. Falling for the depraved ideologues of the Left in their continued efforts to destroy America and its history is the same as drinking poison.
Besides Neo-Nazi groups it does not appear anyone could be more Anti-American than Confederates and Neo-Confederates

Whom else other than the British empire attempted an orchestrated rebellion against the United States resulting in the sacrifice of 10s of thousands of American patriots?

Confederate monuments aren't our history. They're tributes to a thoroughly defeated attempt to overthrow the United States and recommit Americans into bondage.

Many of those confederate monuments were erected during the civil rights period as a means of intimidation and tyranny in open resurrection of the civil rights movement and subsequent civil rights legislations.

They're long over due to be removed from public lands snd common areas.
Retribution

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Aug 18, 2017
A Bit Late wrote:
<quoted text>

The only one shrill is Trump.

Every Tweet, every "speech" he tires to make is more like a Screech.

President Trump started his Presidency with anger and frustration on Inauguration Day. A day that is supposed to set a positive tone and put forth an agenda of peace and prosperity.

Instead Trump gives a doom and gloom speech. Then he sets Spicer loose to tell bold face lies about the crowds.

It hasn't gotten better. If anything, things just get worse.

If Trump was such a great leader, he would be able to accomplish something regardless of the "shrill" left.

Don't blame democrats. They are not the majority.

If your president is failing, it is all on him and those who support his insane, unstable administration.
Trump's on his way out

He's a degenerate of the first order and risk to the security and civil stability of the United States.

We knew when his racism was exposed and he said openly the federal judge his California fraud case was assigned wasn't objective enought and, or experienced to hear his case because the justice was of Mexican descent although the judge was a natural born American citizen from Indiana.

Trump is on his way out of the White House because he's morally bamkrupt and possess absolutely no conscience, dignity or decency as a human being.
anonymous

New York, NY

#9 Aug 18, 2017
A Bit Late wrote:
Where were these "heroic" republicans during the primaries and/or during the election questioning Trump's temperament and competence?

Why do we all have to endure this nightmare come to life to prove to these loyal Republicans that they let a madman take over the GOP?

What terrible thing is going to happen to finally get their attention, for real?

The Republican Party cannot gain an ounce of credibility as long as they allow Trump to remain in office.
Oh, my! It's a nightmare world when we allow towns to keep historical statues of Confederate generals.

I don't really think much of Germany repressing all history of Hitler either. The truth is what happened. Pretending it didn't happen isn't going to fix anything. We don't have to maintain the aura of hero worship. We just need to remember the bad that happened.

I saw another hysterical media propaganda quote saying there's no such thing as a good NAZI. Too bad. I suppose we should erase every trace of the existence of NASA as the organization was headed by a NAZI, Werner von Braun, for most of their glory years.

Really, America has to account for their historical sins. In this case, the issue is SLAVERY. The sin stands as it is. We don't have to instruct anyone as to why it was wrong. We don't have the right to pretend it never happened.

Every nuance of that war should be remembered. The pride, the horrible acts, the suffering. It's up to all of us to put on those big boy pants and remember. It's long past time to indulge paranoid conspiracies. The war is over. Reverse prejudice seems to be the only way some people have to put it behind them.

The real message should be that we learned and have MOVED ON! If we can't move past our shame, we can hardly be expected to embrace a world with real racial civility. All we have is people shaking the plate for guilt money to solve political problems LIKE THE LOSS OF JOBS when it is not any kind of real solution.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#10 Aug 18, 2017
It's time we demand SD remove the racists Washington and Jefferson from Mt Rushmore.
tRump dyNASTY

United States

#11 Aug 18, 2017
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, my! It's a nightmare world when we allow towns to keep historical statues of Confederate generals.

I don't really think much of Germany repressing all history of Hitler either. The truth is what happened. Pretending it didn't happen isn't going to fix anything. We don't have to maintain the aura of hero worship. We just need to remember the bad that happened.

I saw another hysterical media propaganda quote saying there's no such thing as a good NAZI. Too bad. I suppose we should erase every trace of the existence of NASA as the organization was headed by a NAZI, Werner von Braun, for most of their glory years.

Really, America has to account for their historical sins. In this case, the issue is SLAVERY. The sin stands as it is. We don't have to instruct anyone as to why it was wrong. We don't have the right to pretend it never happened.

Every nuance of that war should be remembered. The pride, the horrible acts, the suffering. It's up to all of us to put on those big boy pants and remember. It's long past time to indulge paranoid conspiracies. The war is over. Reverse prejudice seems to be the only way some people have to put it behind them.

The real message should be that we learned and have MOVED ON! If we can't move past our shame, we can hardly be expected to embrace a world with real racial civility. All we have is people shaking the plate for guilt money to solve political problems LIKE THE LOSS OF JOBS when it is not any kind of real solution.
Most of the monuments went up in the 60's.

The South didn't give a rip about "history" until the Civil Rights Movement.

Then they started putting up these monuments as a kind of protest against equality.

The South wanted to somehow legitimize their laws of segregation and intimidate anyone who wold be offended by these sick memorials.

Nazi's don't care about Confederate Statues.

Nazi's are just using this as an opportunity to force Trump to take their side.

They were successful in spite of the fact that Trump's Daughter and Son-in-law and grandchildren are Jewish.

Cannot get more messed-up than that.
Gone

Erin, TN

#12 Aug 18, 2017
Guess we need to rip the the Constitution. Most signers were slave owners.
tRump dyNASTY

United States

#13 Aug 18, 2017
Gone wrote:
Guess we need to rip the the Constitution. Most signers were slave owners.
Smart people amended the Bill of Rights, freed slaves and later amended it again to include civil rights.

Abraham Lincoln tried to fix the broken parts.

The United States was not perfect from the beginning. It has always been a work in progress.

You took a million steps back when you elected Trump.

You should not complain about any of this. You wanted this guy who is inept, iltempered, and associates with White Supremacy.

So all of this hostility is on you. You apparently love it.

If you could not listen to Mitt Romney, a conservative Republican's warnings, then you asked for all of it.
anonymous

New York, NY

#14 Aug 18, 2017
tRump dyNASTY wrote:
<quoted text>

Smart people amended the Bill of Rights, freed slaves and later amended it again to include civil rights.

Abraham Lincoln tried to fix the broken parts.

The United States was not perfect from the beginning. It has always been a work in progress.

You took a million steps back when you elected Trump.

You should not complain about any of this. You wanted this guy who is inept, iltempered, and associates with White Supremacy.

So all of this hostility is on you. You apparently love it.

If you could not listen to Mitt Romney, a conservative Republican's warnings, then you asked for all of it.
Lincoln spent most of his early political career being quite the arrogant jerk who had little good to say about Blacks as it didn't further his career.

Nice speech on mediocrity but you need to identify the problems that need solved. Trump is just being a conservative and defending free speech. He isn't taking sides. He's not advocating racism.
YOUR group just refuses to treat his response as acceptable, and really, other than announcing a witch hunt in the name of Obama, you really never would accept his response anyway..

For the rest of us, the message is very clear. We've been dealing with this for the past 40 or so years. Trump, poor thing, has let himself become a symbol against which socialist bullies rally their troops. Too bad if he never understood what he was getting into, but if he quits, he's not going to be forgiven. Nobody defends a quitter.

This is a learning experience for the better off Republicans as much as anyone. The jerk-o## fantasy that people just need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps simply has not availed them. The reality of supply side economics is that it is a rationalization to pursue monopolies. Let the Republicans eat monopoly as they will NEVER be able to wield the sword of racial justice.

The rest of us know better. Trump made the right choice. He's verbally awkward, yes! A mediocre man in a mediocre world, but he is our choice to be president, and he will stay there as long as he doesn't lose sight of what the country stands for...and that is NOT the aristocracy. It is NOT for anyone who wants to come here and get free stuff.

There are plenty of angry males who will be left behind in the new order, but they can't just be angry. They have to make a difference too. NAZIs don't threaten me. No jobs is as bad as a nuclear war. It has to stop NOW!
anonymous

New York, NY

#15 Aug 18, 2017
Ms Sassy wrote:
<quoted text>

YOU ARE SO RIGHT! NOT ONE OF THEM managed to grow a backbone, and do the right thing, WHEN it would have done some good!
So, Nobody cares what they say, NOW, unless it's that they're going to IMPEACH TRUMP!
They can shove their, "censure" where the "sun don't shine", as far as I'm concerned. It's WAY Too LITTLE, Too LATE...and like trying to put out a burning building with a bucket of water!
You know, this may sound patronizing but... what are you going to impeach Trump for?

To impeach is to bring charges against an elected official. You need the charge. You need to demonstrate a cause to convict if you actually want to remove him from office.

Most days, I read the news and I do think they are just chumming the water for the unwashed masses. Career politicians may throw stones to appear that they aren't racist, but to fraudulently convict a serving president is playing with fire.
Cordwainer Trout

Poughkeepsie, NY

#16 Aug 18, 2017
Trump dosen't care about those statues. He had no problem tearing down the statues at the Bonwit Teller building, even AFTER the Metropolitan Museum of Art offered to save them to put up cheaply made high-rise condos. He cares about white supremacy, his voter base. Look up "Fred Trump Arrested", then ask yourself who instilled values into him.
Louis Alderman

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Aug 18, 2017
A Bit Late wrote:
Where were these "heroic" republicans during the primaries and/or during the election questioning Trump's temperament and competence?

Why do we all have to endure this nightmare come to life to prove to these loyal Republicans that they let a madman take over the GOP?

What terrible thing is going to happen to finally get their attention, for real?

The Republican Party cannot gain an ounce of credibility as long as they allow Trump to remain in office.
. I hope ur cell mate is Jerry Sandusky.
Jerry Dilddo

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Aug 18, 2017
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Trump dosen't care about those statues. He had no problem tearing down the statues at the Bonwit Teller building, even AFTER the Metropolitan Museum of Art offered to save them to put up cheaply made high-rise condos. He cares about white supremacy, his voter base. Look up "Fred Trump Arrested", then ask yourself who instilled values into him.
. I like Trump and regardless how you view him he is right---both sides share fault but the Mayor and Governor are the real guilty culprits. Keep Richmonds Statues and get rid of the councilman.
anonymous

New York, NY

#20 Aug 18, 2017
tRump dyNASTY wrote:
<quoted text>

Most of the monuments went up in the 60's.

The South didn't give a rip about "history" until the Civil Rights Movement.

Then they started putting up these monuments as a kind of protest against equality.

The South wanted to somehow legitimize their laws of segregation and intimidate anyone who wold be offended by these sick memorials.

Nazi's don't care about Confederate Statues.

Nazi's are just using this as an opportunity to force Trump to take their side.

They were successful in spite of the fact that Trump's Daughter and Son-in-law and grandchildren are Jewish.

Cannot get more messed-up than that.
You know, I could be a putz and get into some serious role reversal here. Your rant is heavily laden with bigoted generalizations that offend many people who have done nothing to be dragged into your foul opinions. Instead, I'd rather suggest a few of my own reasonable theories and why they show that socialist dogma is not a solution.

Consider the cerebral brain cell as a cube in an array with trillions of other cells. Anyone with Freshman biology knows that neurons have one axon and many dendrites and I don't think it is reasonable to suggest that single cells exhibit this formula as much as the collective whole does.

Now, it is very reasonable to think that these arrays have adapted to specific environmental conditions much as skin color and other physical features. All the current adaptations can be described as being part of the human condition, but there is reason to suggest that some patterns do not get along well with others.

Your entire post is very biased in a Eurocentric fashion, and even if you aren't predominantly European in ancestry, you appear to have personality traits that are dominant in a culture where they are the accepted norm. Generally, I suggest that your synaptic patterns tend towards diagonal paths in the cerebral array.

In other parts of the world, particularly Asian, synapses would be following the x-y-z axis of the grid. This is because the cerebellum observes the same axis' in its mechanics and to add the demands of intuitive responses would result in confusion. Europeans are very tactical in their thinking process. I guess a common way to express this is the adage "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck." They often have cerrubellum structures that are more abstract shapes that provide stability to the core focus of the synaptic strategy.

In the African black world, the strategy is strongly based on the hot climate. There's a mix of spheres in the cerebrum and ONLY spheres in the cerebellum. This is a natural adaptation that allows the inhabitants to avoid heat stroke. You probably also see an absence of odd number cell lengths in the synaptic patterns and those "spheres" kind of fill in the gaps.

In non-africans, you still see spheres in the cerebellum, but they kind of act as a means of rolling back the effects of emotional traumas. The more structured patterns provide greater focus to the individual but they are not as adaptable to working in a diverse environment.

I'm not going to judge one personality as being superior or inferior. I'm simply going to say that this is the reality that we humans have to contend with. American blacks have a difficult path in that they are usually multi-racial at a genetic level and have to reconcile diverse genetic strategies. Personally, I suspect that I'm somewhat multi-racial but it's not documented in recent family history. I'll concede that the "black like me" concept is real and needs addressed, but I do NOT accept the liberal socialist conclusions on how this must be done.

To me, the reality that the middle class has suffered over the last twenty years while the upper middle class has prospered is VERY demonstrative of their own prejudice, and they use race as a divide-and-conquer strategy in their own class warfare. War, it is

Since: Jun 17

Location hidden

#21 Aug 18, 2017
RustyS wrote:
It's time we demand SD remove the racists Washington and Jefferson from Mt Rushmore.
Guess again.

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