Pastors fight IRS political endorseme...

Pastors fight IRS political endorsement ban

There are 69 comments on the WMUR-TV Manchester story from Oct 7, 2012, titled Pastors fight IRS political endorsement ban. In it, WMUR-TV Manchester reports that:

When Ron Johnson takes take his pulpit on Sunday, he will willfully break the law.

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Bob Booo

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#24 Oct 7, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
Why is it politically incorrect to tell the truth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rB9Aa6qVauEXX
Utube?;)

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#25 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
A government has no right, except that exercised by the barrel of a gun, to impede the free speech of its citizens. Any impediment of free speech sounds more like Communist China, or the old Soviet Union.
If these churchmice want to make political endorsements, they should at least pay their f''king taxes.

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#26 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."
First Amendment to the Constitution.
When a free people allows their government to violate their basic human rights, they have invited tyranny. Democrats have invited tyranny, imposed tyranny.
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises,....(and) shall be uniform throughou the United States."
Tell me where the hell it says that the church is exempt from these taxes.
conservative crapola

Whitehall, PA

#27 Oct 7, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>If these churchmice want to make political endorsements, they should at least pay their f''king taxes.
Yep. Tax 'em. Especkley those bible exploitive, teabooger taliban tv churchin' uppers.

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#28 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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The elements of the Constitution concerning "business" is intentionally separated from any discussion of religion. Taxation of religion gives civil authority the power to influence and diminish religion. Any tax applied to you influences your behavior. Any limitation on speech affects speech.
Nope, no right is absolute, including religion.
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#29 Oct 7, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises,....(and) shall be uniform throughou the United States."
Tell me where the hell it says that the church is exempt from these taxes.
The First Amendment says "NO LAW." What is so difficult for you to understand in a two word phrase? "No law" prohibits the application of any law, tax law, or other, to detract from freedom of religion, its practice and its freedom of speech.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#30 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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The First Amendment says "NO LAW." What is so difficult for you to understand in a two word phrase? "No law" prohibits the application of any law, tax law, or other, to detract from freedom of religion, its practice and its freedom of speech.
That's why priests are allowed to sodomize children with impunity. They are above the law and don't have to pay taxes either.
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#31 Oct 7, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, no right is absolute, including religion.
It seems your assertion of the totalitarian right to tax others based on ever changing reasons is absolute, as is your totalitarian concept of misapplying, or changing the Constitution without actual Amendment.
CatholicPatriot

Manteca, CA

#32 Oct 7, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
When Ron Johnson takes take his pulpit on Sunday, he will willfully break the law. After presenting his views on President Barack Obama's handling of religious issues --- like abortion, gay marriage, and religious freedom - Johnson will ask his congregation a question.
"In light of what I have presented," Johnson says he will say, "How can you go into that election booth and vote for Barack Obama as president of the United States?"
What Johnson plans to do is in violation of the IRS' so-called Johnson Amendment, a 1954 law that has made it illegal for churches that receive tax exempt status from the federal government to intervene in "any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office."
Abortion?-O.K.
Gay marriage?-O.K.
Religious freedom?- O.K.
Obama- Tax them.
Romney-Tax them.
County commissioner- Tax them.
Court judge?- Tax them.
If he wants to state his opinion after his service in the parking lot?
O.K.
In front of his congregation?-Tax them.
The 1954 law is unconstitutional. It is a direct violation of the free speech clause and the free exercise clause. Of course, the target was the Catholic church.
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#33 Oct 7, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
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That's why priests are allowed to sodomize children with impunity. They are above the law and don't have to pay taxes either.
The predominance of homosexual priests molesting young men was empowered not by religion, but by homosexuals invading seminaries and placing and replacing homosexual priests throughout the diocese(s). If the laws prohibiting homosexuality had been applied, instead of denying it is as problem, the civil laws concerning individual behavior would have ruled.
conservative crapola

Whitehall, PA

#34 Oct 7, 2012
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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The 1954 law is unconstitutional. It is a direct violation of the free speech clause and the free exercise clause. Of course, the target was the Catholic church.
Lie.
CatholicPatriot

Manteca, CA

#35 Oct 7, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
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That's why they separated religion and government.
No one,not the government or anyone else is denying the right to speak.
Nutjob teabaggers are the ones inviting "tyranny", trying to fuse the two.
Tea Party. Calling them "teabaggers" is disrespectful.

Thomas Jefferson is the one who claimed the First Amendment created a "wall of separation" but Thomas Jefferson was not a member of the Congress that wrote and ratified the First Amendment, Thomas Jefferson opposed ratification of the Constitution, and Thomas Jefferson's views were so extreme, they weren't shared by the majority of the citizens.

The separation of church and state, and the wall of separation, are contradicted by the prohibition of a religious test act, the free exercise clause, and the establishment clause.

Essentially, the proponents of the wall of separation have ignored the prohibition of a religious test act and the free exercise clause, and grossly distorted the historical meaning of the establishment clause.
CatholicPatriot

Manteca, CA

#36 Oct 7, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
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Lie.
They were trying to silence the radio priests. Also, they were targeting the priests involved with the labor unions.

The 1954 law protected the interests of the elitist white protestant churches, and most protestant churches have been exempt from the law.

Over the years, the IRS has targeted non-mainline protestant churches along with Catholic churches. Don't expect the IRS to target the Baptist churches.

To be honest, the IRS has no authority under the constitution to regulate nor monitor the speech of pastors. The law is clearly a violation of the principles upon which this nation was built.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#37 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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The predominance of homosexual priests molesting young men was empowered not by religion, but by homosexuals invading seminaries and placing and replacing homosexual priests throughout the diocese(s). If the laws prohibiting homosexuality had been applied, instead of denying it is as problem, the civil laws concerning individual behavior would have ruled.
They rape girls too you nasty enabling apologist.
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#38 Oct 7, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
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They rape girls too you nasty enabling apologist.
Homosexuals also threatened to infect heterosexual women with HIV/AIDS and their public threats led to homosexuals actually doing it. Homosexuals will rape a piece of liver if it benefits them by diminishing the Church. Don't you find it odd that homosexuals and Communists are bedfellows? They have the same conspiratorial mindset.

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#39 Oct 7, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
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That's why they separated religion and government.
No one,not the government or anyone else is denying the right to speak.
Nutjob teabaggers are the ones inviting "tyranny", trying to fuse the two.
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#40 Oct 7, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>If these churchmice want to make political endorsements, they should at least pay their f''king taxes.
Obama-Benghazi-Impeach

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#41 Oct 7, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
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Lie.
Obama-Benghazi-Impeach

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#42 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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The First Amendment says "NO LAW." What is so difficult for you to understand in a two word phrase? "No law" prohibits the application of any law, tax law, or other, to detract from freedom of religion, its practice and its freedom of speech.
Not only is that a non-answer, but a tortured one.
No one is prohibiting your freedom of religion. What I am questioning is its tax-exempt status. The church, which is ultimately a business, should pay its share of taxes. Since the church is now tax-exempt, everyone else's taxes have to cover for them.
Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.

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#43 Oct 7, 2012
Eighthman wrote:
<quoted text>Obama-Benghazi-Impeach
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