Pastors fight IRS political endorseme...

Pastors fight IRS political endorsement ban

There are 69 comments on the WMUR-TV Manchester story from Oct 7, 2012, titled Pastors fight IRS political endorsement ban. In it, WMUR-TV Manchester reports that:

When Ron Johnson takes take his pulpit on Sunday, he will willfully break the law.

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Bob Boo

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#1 Oct 7, 2012
IR what?!!!!!!!!! ;-0000
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#2 Oct 7, 2012
A government has no right, except that exercised by the barrel of a gun, to impede the free speech of its citizens. Any impediment of free speech sounds more like Communist China, or the old Soviet Union.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#4 Oct 7, 2012
When Ron Johnson takes take his pulpit on Sunday, he will willfully break the law. After presenting his views on President Barack Obama's handling of religious issues --- like abortion, gay marriage, and religious freedom - Johnson will ask his congregation a question.

"In light of what I have presented," Johnson says he will say, "How can you go into that election booth and vote for Barack Obama as president of the United States?"

What Johnson plans to do is in violation of the IRS' so-called Johnson Amendment, a 1954 law that has made it illegal for churches that receive tax exempt status from the federal government to intervene in "any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office."

Abortion?-O.K.
Gay marriage?-O.K.
Religious freedom?- O.K.

Obama- Tax them.
Romney-Tax them.
County commissioner- Tax them.
Court judge?- Tax them.

If he wants to state his opinion after his service in the parking lot?

O.K.

In front of his congregation?-Tax them.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#5 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
A government has no right, except that exercised by the barrel of a gun, to impede the free speech of its citizens. Any impediment of free speech sounds more like Communist China, or the old Soviet Union.
They aren't impeding anything he wants to say.

Did they arrest him?

Did they shut down his church?
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#6 Oct 7, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
When Ron Johnson takes take his pulpit on Sunday, he will willfully break the law. After presenting his views on President Barack Obama's handling of religious issues --- like abortion, gay marriage, and religious freedom - Johnson will ask his congregation a question.
"In light of what I have presented," Johnson says he will say, "How can you go into that election booth and vote for Barack Obama as president of the United States?"
What Johnson plans to do is in violation of the IRS' so-called Johnson Amendment, a 1954 law that has made it illegal for churches that receive tax exempt status from the federal government to intervene in "any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office."
Abortion?-O.K.
Gay marriage?-O.K.
Religious freedom?- O.K.
Obama- Tax them.
Romney-Tax them.
County commissioner- Tax them.
Court judge?- Tax them.
If he wants to state his opinion after his service in the parking lot?
O.K.
In front of his congregation?-Tax them.
The "Johnson" law is totally unconstitutional and craps in the face of 200 years of American history of freedom of speech.
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#7 Oct 7, 2012
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."

First Amendment to the Constitution.

When a free people allows their government to violate their basic human rights, they have invited tyranny. Democrats have invited tyranny, imposed tyranny.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#8 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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The "Johnson" law is totally unconstitutional and craps in the face of 200 years of American history of freedom of speech.
Totally unconstitutional?

How?

No one is violating his freedom to speak.

Johnson Amendment, a 1954 law that has made it illegal for churches that receive tax exempt status from the federal government to intervene in "any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office."

Read more: http://www.wmur.com/news/entertainment/Pastor...
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#9 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."
First Amendment to the Constitution.
When a free people allows their government to violate their basic human rights, they have invited tyranny. Democrats have invited tyranny, imposed tyranny.
That's why they separated religion and government.

No one,not the government or anyone else is denying the right to speak.

Nutjob teabaggers are the ones inviting "tyranny", trying to fuse the two.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#11 Oct 7, 2012
I say let them endorse candidates and let them pay taxes like everyone else.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#13 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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The "Johnson" law is totally unconstitutional and craps in the face of 200 years of American history of freedom of speech.
They can say whatever they want. But if they become political they can and should lose their tax exempt status.

There is no right to a tax exempt status anywhere in the constitution.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#14 Oct 7, 2012
Face it, clergy are part of that mooching 47% of Americans on the dole.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#15 Oct 7, 2012
How much of Romney's income is tax exempt from being a Mormon Bishop??? I guess you can serve two masters.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#16 Oct 7, 2012
...and make a big chunk of change TOO.
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#17 Oct 7, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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They can say whatever they want. But if they become political they can and should lose their tax exempt status.
There is no right to a tax exempt status anywhere in the constitution.
The real sadness of the totalitarian Leftist mindset is they are so degraded the can't even understand "NO LAW." Apparently, they want to argue about the meaning of "NO", as they did about "is."

Read the First Amendment. It says "NO LAW." You can't touch religion; you can't influence religion; you can't tax religion; you can't limit free speech in religion.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#18 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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The real sadness of the totalitarian Leftist mindset is they are so degraded the can't even understand "NO LAW." Apparently, they want to argue about the meaning of "NO", as they did about "is."
Read the First Amendment. It says "NO LAW." You can't touch religion; you can't influence religion; you can't tax religion; you can't limit free speech in religion.
No one is limiting free speech for religion.

Taxing churchs like every other business in no way limits their free speech rights.
questioner

Menard, TX

#19 Oct 7, 2012
Respecting deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges;

Congress shall make no law (respecting) granting privilege or privileged position to an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging to reduce or lessen in duration, scope, authority, etc.; diminish or curtail the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble to come or bring together; collect or congregate , and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Is being tax exempt a 'privilege'?
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#20 Oct 7, 2012
questioner wrote:
Respecting deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges;
Congress shall make no law (respecting) granting privilege or privileged position to an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging to reduce or lessen in duration, scope, authority, etc.; diminish or curtail the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble to come or bring together; collect or congregate , and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Is being tax exempt a 'privilege'?
A tool of the totalitarian Leftist mindset is to redefine words and apply those new definitions to endlessly distort the actual meaning of the Constitution. "No law" includes any law designed to impact religion in any way, giving it preferential identity, status, influence, or imposing deprivation in any civil arena. Keying freedom of speech into the same sentence, in specific immediate placement, was an important and intentional inclusion.
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#21 Oct 7, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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No one is limiting free speech for religion.
Taxing churchs like every other business in no way limits their free speech rights.
The elements of the Constitution concerning "business" is intentionally separated from any discussion of religion. Taxation of religion gives civil authority the power to influence and diminish religion. Any tax applied to you influences your behavior. Any limitation on speech affects speech.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#22 Oct 7, 2012
Why is it politically incorrect to tell the truth?

Bob Booo

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#23 Oct 7, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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The real sadness of the totalitarian Leftist mindset is they are so degraded the can't even understand "NO LAW." Apparently, they want to argue about the meaning of "NO", as they did about "is."
Read the First Amendment. It says "NO LAW." You can't touch religion; you can't influence religion; you can't tax religion; you can't limit free speech in religion.
the 1st own by Obamath
2nd own by Joe Holder! ;-0000000

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