Action, adventure and atheism? 'Compass' meets some opposition

Dec 9, 2007 | Posted by: RobTorres | Full story: www.signonsandiego.com

“The Golden Compass” is sending Christians in opposite directions.

The PG-13 fantasy movie, with its armored polar bears and flying witches to the rescue, opened last night under a banner of controversy fueled mainly by conservative Christians who are urging followers to boycott the film.

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#353
Dec 10, 2007
 
seems so many feel comforted by having an imaginary shoulder to cry on and lean on in times of need... but it's pretend, like a little kids imaginary friend he keeps for company when alone in the dark.

"The God Delusion" by Dawkins... a good read, available at the library

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#354
Dec 10, 2007
 
TEXASGRANDMA wrote:
In the final book they kill God. As a Christian, yes, I do take that seriously.
Umm, just FYI, as it is obvious you never actually Read the books.

In the last book they kill the "Authority", an angel that has decieved people into Thinking he was "God". So, they don't kill "God".

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Dec 10, 2007
 
Thugs4less wrote:
Just another example of religous nuts going over board as usual. They just love to take things out of context. Idiots....(tapping fingers on table)8701
Exactly, can't a movie just be a movie...

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Dec 10, 2007
 
Eradicate the Ignorant wrote:
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I think you will find that the central issue is with an authority figure with whom a person's values do not parallel, and by whom said person would possibly be held accountable. If that is in fact the case, then said authority figure becomes a perceived threat against a way of life, it makes us uncomfortable and we find ways to tenuously rationalize our beliefs and actions. Furthermore, when you put head to pillow at night, in this "secular" nation for which you are so thankful, I want the line "...one nation, under God..." to bore its way into your brain. When you do I want you to remember that it is an ideal upon which your beloved nation was founded. Sleep tight.
I guess you need to be eradicated, because you sound very ignorant.

If anything, that garbage needs to be REMOVED since it goes against nearly everything this country was founded on. Here is a history lesson for you:

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Sad that the terrorists didn't give your hero a reason to add god some more places it never belonged in the first place, eh?

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#357
Dec 10, 2007
 
i'm a christian, and i liked the movie, i teach my children the difference between fantasy and real life, i really didn't see the magesterium as the catholic church. i guess if no one had said anything to me then i would have just assumed that this was a good fantasy movie, so now i think hey this was a good fantasy movie and still it's a movie about good vs. evil so in a way it preaches the christian message so what is everybody so upset about?
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#358
Dec 10, 2007
 
Rascal wrote:
<quoted text> It's the separation of church and state; the state is explicitly prohibited from establishing or supporting a religion. You can worship whom ever you want, it's just to be kept out of those institutions supported by our taxes.
Silent prayer is permitted in school; however, the school is prohibited from establishing a official time for it (e.g., beginning of school, before lunch, etc. bcz that's supporting a religion), or providing its classrooms for it (again, it's using taxpayer money for support of a religion).
So one can pray wherever they are; just keep it to yourself. And the belief forced on your child when he got in trouble was the belief called the law. The law is forced upon all of us.
You just said that silent prayer is permitted in school but when my child did it and got in trouble then it was b/c that is the law-which is it?

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#359
Dec 10, 2007
 
Paceaux wrote:
The Christian right is doing a good job of turning itself in to the "christian wrong". This is *fiction*, right? Are we at that point that we're afraid of FICTION? Honestly, if you're worried that a 2 hour piece of fiction will influence your kids enough to turn them into atheists - they're obviously not grounded-enough in their beliefs.
I haven't seen the movie, nor had I heard of the books. I did see Chronicles of Narnia, The Da Vinci Code and Jurassic Park - they all had this neat thing in common: they were fiction.
Questioning institutionalized religion is GOOD. Every person needs to decide what they believe on their own terms.....hell.... Jesus did that.
I agree that christians are their own worst enemy, and to paraphrase what someone else said,
just look at how worked up they get over their own silly work of fiction and all its fairytales.

I honestly can't believe people can still believe
in silly supernatural myths like god past age eight.

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Dec 10, 2007
 
Hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>the fool has said in his heart,there is no God, and I say to you:seek the Lord with all your heart and then I pray He will forgive your sin and forgive you and reveal Himself to you...God does love you! I hope you ask Jesus into your heart and life...someone who cares...eom
I must admit you are very atypical of the jesus crowd, normally they would just tell me I was going to burn in a lake of fire and if they had their way, they would help me down with stones, fire or a bullet.
If everyone was like you, christians wouldn't have such a bad name. Bravo!

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Dec 10, 2007
 
Stoneman wrote:
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Absolutely! There's some fear of death, awareness of mortality, call it what you want. Bottom line is along about 40-50 years of age, the countenance of death acquires discernable features. It is normal for people to seek a larger meaning in their lives. Something bigger than a new Chrysler. Or a bass boat.
So the guy that says at 34 he's still a proud atheist, I say hang in there another 16 years and we'll talk again.
I'm not critical of you for laughing at people who have faith. It's natural, particularly for those who are young.
You might reserve your scorn a bit, keeping in mind that you expect me to not judge you.
I don't scorn people of faith at all. I scorn people who try to impose the tenets of their faith on others. I, however, did not agree with your reasoning. It seems that faith is based more on fear of death and a need for comfort, than any actual real basis to believe. What does it say about the faith of such people when it is firmly grounded in fear and a need for comfort?

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#362
Dec 10, 2007
 
The Trout wrote:
I love the way the Catholic League basically said: "This horrible film implies that the Catholic Church is a controlling, paranoid secret society intent on controlling everyone's behavior, so DON'T GO SEE IT!" Catholic activists aren't known for their understanding of irony, but still...
Yes, that is rather ironic! The Catholic League is an embarrassment anyway, and most Catholics would do well to distance themselves from that self-professed head of the American Catholics. The leader is a racist and is intolerant of other religions, while whining about people not exhalting his views.
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#363
Dec 10, 2007
 
You think they protested this...? Wait til late 08" with the Movie Remake of the 1951 movie..."The Day the Earth Stood Still"...should haver them out in droves complaining that ONLY humans are made in God's Image! LOL

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#364
Dec 10, 2007
 
Be nice wrote:
<quoted text>That's why we can't pray in school or say Merry Christmas or Christmas tree? Or take God out of the Pledge? That is b/c of nonbelievers forcing their opinions.
You can say a prayer in a private school, or you can say it silently at any time. Why should Christianity get some special treatment over everyone else? Who's stopping you from saying merry Christmas or putting up a Christmas tree? Don't tell me you subscribe to that asinine idea that there's a "war" on Christmas. As for "God" in the pledge, it doesn't belong there to begin with. It wasn't even added until the 1950's as a response to the red scare, when the nuts in office wanted to "distinguish" us from the "godless" commies.

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rosin eating zombie wrote:
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No one kills god in the third book. Maybe you haven't read the book, so i will sumarize the scene for you:
Will and Lyra see god in a crystal cage. He looks so frail and terrified that the children want to reach him to help him. Will cuts the crystal freeing god and god seems thankfull for their kindness. The children take god's hands to help him up, but god vanashes with the wind since he is so old and frail.
God's death is parallel to the way the death of humans in the book is described. When humans die in the book, they disolve and become part of the earth. I think this is a beautiful idea of death. It shows that death is not bad and should not be feared. Death is a part of the life's cycle.
In fact, the point is that dogmatic, power hungry, extremist, controlling religion is what actually killed God. The children just released him from the cage that religion put him in, and set him free to die in peace. I'd say that's a pretty good message.

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fun lovin life wrote:
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Since you have no "facts" to hold that he is pretend, he is real..Even my grandchildren could tell you this.
Really, that's how it works? In that case, there is an invisible pink unicorn living in my left ear. He is the ruler of the universe. He told me so.

By your logic, he is real. After all, you can't prove he is pretend.

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#367
Dec 10, 2007
 
OK let's see if your moral compass has been superseded by the Golden compass. I read the book when it first came out, gave it a scathing review and then had my review pulled from Amazon shortly before the movie came out.(I wonder why?)

The book promotes it as a great virtue for everyone to have their own personal demon.(They spell it daemon to make it 'acceptable') The heroes father saves the day by performing a black satanic ritual involving child sacrifice in order to get the hero transported to an alternate dimension.

Later we learn that satan is a swell guy who is just misunderstood and that God is an ogre who must be defeated. Now this is the same God that sent his only Son Jesus Christ to die for us all on the cross, but apparently self sacrifice is not a great virtue for a young budding satanist.

That is essentially what the hero is doing, fighting for the cause of satan, in order to overthrow God. Isn't that a great topic for a children's book? Just how sick and perverse do you need to get? If you like the movie, then buy the book and put it next to your dog eared copy of the satanic Bible or the Necromonicon. Maybe the child molesting satanist Michael Aquino can give you a few pointers.
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#368
Dec 10, 2007
 
Who cares! It's a kids story. Don't you people realize that God is dead already. Just look at the world we live in. Christ, look who's president.

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Dec 10, 2007
 
Janitor wrote:
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I think people are taking things far to seriously. The movie is fantasy, as was Harry Potter. I never got into the whole Potter movie phenom but I don't see how it hurt anyone's Christian beliefs. Now, they're at it again. Two friends of mine, both extremely devoted Christians went to see the movie last night and said it was great. They loved the special effects and the story itself. One of them told me the only Christian group he saw it offending was the Catholic Church. Since Protestants seem to do this,(as the Catholics seem to offend Protestants), simply by existing, this doesn't sound new.
I disagree with your logic, I am an adult and a believer, and not a catholic, but some movies have spirits in them that our children are open and acceptable to, and I for one, do not want my child exposed to everything. she is 4 years old and only watches certain shows and would never see Harry Potter or A Movie made by an Atheist, why would I allow my child to see a movie by someone who does not believe like I do??? Parents need to be more careful and responsible!!!
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#370
Dec 10, 2007
 
Gods warrior wrote:
Jesus followers sure like to dish it out, but sure can't take a little heat. How insecure about your beliefs must you be.
I understand, one look at the laughable bible and anyone over five should realise it is just a poorly written fairy tale.
BTW: Gracie935,#1 this weekend with 35 million and will be there for many weeks to come. I personally hope everyone buys their children the trilogy for christmas. ;) See ya.
Everything in the BIBLE reely happend you offended me a whole lot with that comment!!!!!!!!!!

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Dec 10, 2007
 
Eradicate the Ignorant wrote:
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I think you will find that the central issue is with an authority figure with whom a person's values do not parallel, and by whom said person would possibly be held accountable. If that is in fact the case, then said authority figure becomes a perceived threat against a way of life, it makes us uncomfortable and we find ways to tenuously rationalize our beliefs and actions. Furthermore, when you put head to pillow at night, in this "secular" nation for which you are so thankful, I want the line "...one nation, under God..." to bore its way into your brain. When you do I want you to remember that it is an ideal upon which your beloved nation was founded. Sleep tight.
No, the problem is when you try to force the perceived "authority" of your chosen beliefs upon others. To me Christianity, your beliefs, and your version of a god, have no authority whatsoever. Not because I'm worried about it, but because to me it's no more real than Santa Claus. Santa has no authority over me either. "One nation under God" was an silly afterthought inserted in the 1950's. Apparently you don't know your history.

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Be nice wrote:
<quoted text>You just said that silent prayer is permitted in school but when my child did it and got in trouble then it was b/c that is the law-which is it?
There is no law or rule against silent prayer on your own time in school. If your child got in trouble for it, and your account of how it transpired is honest, then the school was either overzealous or misunderstood the boundaries. BTW, the hated organization of the religious right, the ACLU, has represented students and won in exactly such cases.

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