Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32098 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#20216 Feb 15, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
What is going to happen on judgement day not ashamed?
... just as Cain... if we do don't do our DUTY and choose wisely, Heavenly Father can't show us favor... and we will be case out from his presence.
My guess is you will be judged on the way you have treated all of heavenly fathers children. We will be judged on our good deeds and bad. All of us have both. Im not particularly worried myself. I have kept his GREATEST commandment, to love one another. I can't speak for you.
Simply

Lockhart, TX

#20218 Feb 15, 2013
Cont'

8. People Can Become Gods

Given its explosive nature, this tenet was rarely shared with prospective converts. Missionaries try to entice people into Mormonism gradually, and presenting the doctrine of plural gods is seldom the best way. Several contacts learned the concept from their pastors or read about it on their own, but it was new to most prospects.

"Our Father in heaven loves us so much," I often said, parroting our lesson script, "that He provided a plan [Mormonism] for us to become like him." I didn't mention that Mormon godhood includes spirit procreation throughout eternity. Neither did I hint that the Mormon God was formerly a mortal man, had lived on an earth like ours, and had earned salvation through good works. However, such polytheism strips God of glory and sovereignty. No wonder the Bible condemns it so strongly. When discussing plural gods on my mission, I sidestepped Isaiah 44:8 whenever possible. "Is there a God beside me?" the passage reads. "Yea, there is no God; I know not any." Other verses amply testify that only one God exists in the universe (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39; 6:4; Isaiah 43:10-11; 45:21-23).

When confronted with these scriptures as a missionary, I usually countered with, "Those verses mean we worship only one God, that there's only one God to us." And if that failed, I lied further: "The Bible isn't clear on this subject. Fortunately, the Lord told Joseph Smith that mortals can become gods." Smith might have had a revelation, but not from God.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20221 Feb 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Try getting a temple recommend while smoking. If something is a "requirement" that would be the definition of a "commandment".
You and anyone else can twist this all you want. Smith, you know, the guy that phrased and instituted the WoW, he stated it didn't come by way of commandment.
If it had been a commandment, a whole lot would have changed in how things were being done in Smith's time instead of the 1920s and 30s.
More and more of the word of wisdom became a requirement to hold positions and finally to even be a member as time went on, as parts of it was defined/redefined to mean this and that.
Read the fricking history you didn't pay attention to in your 30 years as a Mormon.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20222 Feb 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't need your level of requirement for facts to know he didn't marry them to shake their hands. Common sense works for those who haven't been brainwashed.
You're stuck between a rock and a wall with you're beliefs though.
On the one hand you say you know for a fact Smith married to have perverted sex.
On the other hand you won't convict yourself to stating how many of the women he married he married for perverted sex.
On the other hand Smith was factually pro-life. He authorized other elders to have several wives. They had children by those wives. Yet to explain lack of children from his own 30 plus wives, you wish to say Smith practiced birth control so not to have kids.
On the other hand at one point you believed he had living family from those wives till I showed you that was incorrect. That the relatives most claimed to be his were found to be lies perpetuated for over a century.
On the other hand you claim Smith married all his wives for perverted sex. Thirty wives in three years. Yet at one time you down played how much sex he was having to try explain the lack of children. Because I stated if he was a sex perv as you say he was, he had to be hitting those wives multiple times every single day for thirty years. So just twice a day for three years would be a minimim of 1000 times. And no kids.
You're own level of 'supposed' facts don't match you're own beliefs of Smith. You call him a sex perv but you down play how often he was having sex to explain the lack of kids. A sex perv is a sex perv. We have instances of them in our time to understand them to make a comparison to Smith. Look at Young, now to your wording there's a sex perv. He couldn't get enough and proved it by the dozens and dozens of children he had by his wives. Yet Smith had more than him in a shorter period of time and no kids.
You've brainwashed yourself to believe crap you can't even logically prove.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20223 Feb 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't see them go running to start a new church, and then use it to cheat on his wife, steal from the members, and screw the members wives.
There's absolute proof of somemore of your willful ignorant stupidity.
Smith didn't run off to start a religion after having his 'vision'. But that's okay by you if what you said wasn't actually true, just as long as your good Christian caring self can have something stupid and ignorant to say of Smith.
It's hearsay that he cheated on his wife but you don't care about that fact.
There is no factual proof he stole from his own members. There is no court case to show that ever happened. But you don't care. Having something foul to say is what's important to you.
And screwing other members wives, that's all hearsay but you don't have the honesty to admit it.
Keep it going dude...:)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20224 Feb 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual, you believe whatever fairytale you want to make up. He was arrested for destroying a printing press. But violating Constitutional law was hardly the least of his crimes.
Why don't you ever read any actual Mormon history? The charge of 'riot' was for having instructed a mob to destroy that printing press. Yet you like always wish to seperate bits of information that go together to make a complete picture.
You proved you didn't know that when Smith had his boys go destroy that printing press, the charge brought against him for it's destruction was riot.
You knbow I really do go out of my way to show you the difference between using ignorance and using intelligence in debating but you seem not to have a clue of their difference.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20225 Feb 15, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
I am about to use a word in the way it was truly meant to be used.
YOU are and Idiot.
I never said Jews did not practice Polygamy.
I know they did
I know some stole
I know some set up astar poles and had false Idols and bowed down to graven images.
And like Polygamy God never instructed them to do these things, nor did any of his prophets not once INCLUDING polygamy. In fact God commands us to do the opposite.
So if we are to follow your LDS illogical irrational thought process because Jews did it we can do it then we can murder commit Idolatry, steal, cheat, lie
So again I post in the truest meaning of the words definition,
YOU are and Idiot.
Moses made laws for polygamous relationships. Moses (most scholars state) recieved his laws from God. That means God gave laws to regulate polygamous marriages. That insinuates a support for polygamous relationships by God. Why? Because if God was trully against polygamy as you claim, he would have made laws against it for all Israelites. And he would never have made laws to regulate a thing you say he didn't support.

Firstborn Inheritance Rights

15 “If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved,

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20226 Feb 15, 2013
Simply wrote:
Polygamy was nothing more but disgusting lust....why can't mormons see that?
1 Tim.3:2 If a man desire an office of a bishop he MUST be the husband of ONE WIFE. There it is a command.
This is for mormons. If polygamy is to be practiced in the future, how would ur wives feel about it?
Polygamy among non-Mormons is alive and well just in the US. Why don't you Google it and read the testimonials from those involved in the practice? Hmm?
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20227 Feb 15, 2013
Yeah he can't figure out why he had to tell them to have the Bishop usually not be a polygamist cause the job requires so much work & time.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20228 Feb 15, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Moses made laws for polygamous relationships. Moses (most scholars state) recieved his laws from God. That means God gave laws to regulate polygamous marriages. That insinuates a support for polygamous relationships by God. Why? Because if God was trully against polygamy as you claim, he would have made laws against it for all Israelites. And he would never have made laws to regulate a thing you say he didn't support.
Firstborn Inheritance Rights
15 “If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved,
Idiot

He also gave laws on what to do if someone steals, commits adultry, or murders.

Just because Moses or God or his Prophets give laws on how to deal with the consequences of mans sins does not me they are condoned or to be practiced.

Again God's commands forbid Polygamy not once does he command this God or his prophets no he in fact calls us to be of one wife and Especially Elders leaders of the church if the are not of one wife the NT commands us God commands to allow them in leadership positions.

That is why LDS is FALSE they do and did.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20229 Feb 15, 2013
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text>
...blah, blah, blah..
The Lamanites loved one another,
The Islamic terrorists on 9/11 loved one another,
The Jews who murdered Jesus Christ loved one another;
but, you are absolutely right you can't speak for me.

So DON'T!

Post after post you deny that your DUTY is to FOLLOW Church Standards... you TRY to conveniently say it's alright to do things YOUR way.

If it was okay to do things your way... YOU would be HEAVENLY FATHER. You're not him and have a long way to go based on your posts. The only way to get into the Kingdom of God is to do your DUTY.

On judgement day the Lord Almighty is going to do his DUTY and he is going to condemn all those who preach against him, all those who don't do what he said.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20230 Feb 15, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiot
He also gave laws on what to do if someone steals, commits adultry, or murders.
Just because Moses or God or his Prophets give laws on how to deal with the consequences of mans sins does not me they are condoned or to be practiced.
Again God's commands forbid Polygamy not once does he command this God or his prophets no he in fact calls us to be of one wife and Especially Elders leaders of the church if the are not of one wife the NT commands us God commands to allow them in leadership positions.
That is why LDS is FALSE they do and did.
If what you're saying's not the pathological lies of a Satan-darkened mind,

then when I google
"Jewish Polygamy"

and

"Biblical Polygamy"

There won't be 4,000 years of God not only commanding polygamy,

but commanding it

for the entire Israelite nation,

with some exceptions, like rigorous religious work, military duty, etc.

Oh - but I did.

And they DID practice polygamy : for 4,000 plus years,

with the Jews MOSTLY abandoning it in the year 1,000

and some Jews and some Christians practicing it this very day.

Your bizarrely criminopathological attribute, that God gave rules on how sin was to be practiced, peg you as satanic.

GOD made it LAW
that ALL whose brothers died, who weren't otherwise exempted by conditions such as above,

were to marry his wives.

There were sensible consideration exemptions for women who met certain requisites & who didn't want to marry any of the brothers.

All it takes to check on a sodomite's claim that God hates heterosexuality is about TWO QUICK SHAKES of that STICK of JUDAH in that satanic face.

God doesn't MAKE sin HIS law.

YOU make it YOURS.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20231 Feb 15, 2013
Which is why you're still writhing around in full-on denial after that entire internet full of all the information it takes to make you a lying sociopathological laughingstock & general purpose, satanic pro-Sodomite.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20232 Feb 15, 2013
Care Enough To Google It wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah they do. They mean "don't choke on your condom denying the reality of Mary being pregnant the way Joseph's neighbors would."
JOSEPH HID MARY because HIS NEIGHBORS WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED SHE COULD BE
PREGNANT without SEX,
TOO.
Carol I'm not the one denying the virgin birth, it the LDS church that is. Come to terms with it.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20233 Feb 15, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
The Lamanites loved one another,
The Islamic terrorists on 9/11 loved one another,
The Jews who murdered Jesus Christ loved one another;
but, you are absolutely right you can't speak for me.
So DON'T!
Post after post you deny that your DUTY is to FOLLOW Church Standards... you TRY to conveniently say it's alright to do things YOUR way.
If it was okay to do things your way... YOU would be HEAVENLY FATHER. You're not him and have a long way to go based on your posts. The only way to get into the Kingdom of God is to do your DUTY.
On judgement day the Lord Almighty is going to do his DUTY and he is going to condemn all those who preach against him, all those who don't do what he said.
That is why all LDS who do not repent and turn away from their false LDS Jesus and their false prophets, and false Gospel that contradicts God's Word found in his inerrant book called the Bible will be judged and dammed and separated from the Love of God.

So time is running out for you, repent and turn away from your Evil LDS sect and come on over to the real Jesus he will nourish your Soul.

God Bless

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20234 Feb 15, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You and anyone else can twist this all you want. Smith, you know, the guy that phrased and instituted the WoW, he stated it didn't come by way of commandment.
If it had been a commandment, a whole lot would have changed in how things were being done in Smith's time instead of the 1920s and 30s.
More and more of the word of wisdom became a requirement to hold positions and finally to even be a member as time went on, as parts of it was defined/redefined to mean this and that.
Read the fricking history you didn't pay attention to in your 30 years as a Mormon.
So, you're saying that the Mormon is wrong making it a commandment? Because it certainly is today. Why should any member of the church have to live a higher standard than the prophet? Moses didn't take a vote on the Ten Commandments or the Torah. So if people are being denied temple recommends or even being allowed to join the LDS church because someone won't follow the WoW it's is the church that is wrong, not the member. Because you have clearly stated it isn't a commandment. Proof again the LDS church isn't tghe church of Jesus Christ.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20235 Feb 15, 2013
Care Enough To Google It wrote:
<quoted text>
There won't be 4,000 years of God not only commanding polygamy,
but commanding it
for the entire Israelite nation,
Carol, please show us one place in the Old Testament God commands the Israelite nation to practice polygamy. I'll wait.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20236 Feb 15, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
That is why all LDS who do not repent and turn away from their false LDS Jesus and their false prophets, and false Gospel that contradicts God's Word found in his inerrant book called the Bible will be judged and dammed and separated from the Love of God.
So time is running out for you, repent and turn away from your Evil LDS sect and come on over to the real Jesus he will nourish your Soul.
God Bless
Amen.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20237 Feb 15, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiot
He also gave laws on what to do if someone steals, commits adultry, or murders.
Just because Moses or God or his Prophets give laws on how to deal with the consequences of mans sins does not me they are condoned or to be practiced.
Again God's commands forbid Polygamy not once does he command this God or his prophets no he in fact calls us to be of one wife and Especially Elders leaders of the church if the are not of one wife the NT commands us God commands to allow them in leadership positions.
That is why LDS is FALSE they do and did.
God set the standard from the beginning, He created one man and one woman to be one. He created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Eve, and Tammy, and Betty, and Susan,...etc.

People are to become one flesh, not one dozen.
Simply

Lockhart, TX

#20238 Feb 15, 2013
Right on Dana....their word of wisdom doctrine is still evolving...

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