Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20189 Feb 15, 2013
From Scoffing Mocker University, Wikipedia:

"Natural cycle In-Vitro-Fertilization"

"IVF can be performed by collecting a naturally selected egg from woman’s natural menstrual cycle without the use of any drugs.

IT IS KNOWN as NATURAL cycle IVF.

The first test tube baby Louise Brown was born following NATURAL cycle IVF. "
==========

the NAME of the IN VITRO PROCESS most like that described in the Bible is *NATURAL IN VITRO*

==========
In Vitro Fertilization: The NATURAL Way
By Jacques Kadoch, MD
Fall 2005

There has long been a demand for an IVF technique that works on a woman’s natural cycle,

***without ovarian stimulation***.
----------
The answer is NATURAL cycle IVF.
----------

Increasing numbers of infertile couples are attracted to this alternative protocol, which seems to come closer to
the ideal IVF scenario:
to conceive an embryo with high implantation potential at the start of a single pregnancy – but with minimal medical intervention.

----------
History
Twenty-five years ago, Edwards and Steptoe achieved the first human pregnancy through IVF

*after transferring an embryo from a NATURAL cycle.*

*** In these early years, doctors had to depend entirely on the cycle’s NATURAL timing.

This meant that oocyte retrieval

***often took place in the middle of the night***

***under general anesthetic***

and required a laparoscopy.
----------
Note two of the above are mentioned SPECIFICALLY in the BIBLE DESCRIPTION of the CONCEPTION
of Jesus Christ
by his MOTHER
& FATHER.
----------
More ON WHY THIS IN VITRO is REFERRED TO as

"THE NATURAL WAY"

" With natural cycle IVF the treatment cycle relies on the spontaneous development of one follicle only and therefore the aspiration of only one egg from the follicle

(it is possible however that the cycle can have more than one egg or no eggs).

There is nothing new about natural cycle IVF, in fact Louise Brown, the world’s first ‘test-tube baby' was conceived using this method in 1978."
----------

So
of ALL the METHODS

of IN VITRO there is ONE type called

"THE NATURAL WAY"

That's often used for older fathers who have wives who are young, when the father already has children but wants one with the mother,

that involves the woman being in a deep sleep,

that involves doing the procedure late at night,

and involves fertilization of ONE egg produced.

Yeah words mean something.

The very method MOST LIKE that

described IN the BIBLE has a SPECIFIC
MEDICAL

NAME:

"NATURAL"

in vitro fertilization.

We told you it would be natural and it would be virgin.

You told us that's impossible.

Then again you also told us the Jews weren't polygamous for 4,000 years.

So yeah words mean something and it turns out the METHOD NAMED by MEDICAL SCIENCE as "THE NATURAL method"

is the one described near IDENTICALLY in the Bible.

But you insist that

God the FATHER
isn't the FATHER.

That Mary the MOTHER
didn't get IMPREGNATED
by the FATHER
of her SON
Jesus Christ.

By the NATURAL in vitro method.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20190 Feb 15, 2013
Theologians didn't name it "The NATURAL way."

MEDICAL SCIENCE named it "The NATURAL way."

So yeah stupid, words mean something.

This time as pretty much all the time they mean you're proven full of crap with the offhand ease of taking candy from one of Satan's many, perverted, retarded children.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20191 Feb 15, 2013
Egypt's still shaking his head after finding out Jews practiced polygamy for 4,000 years.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20193 Feb 15, 2013
Care Enough To Google It wrote:
Egypt's still shaking his head after finding out Jews practiced polygamy for 4,000 years.
I am about to use a word in the way it was truly meant to be used.

YOU are and Idiot.

I never said Jews did not practice Polygamy.

I know they did
I know some stole
I know some set up astar poles and had false Idols and bowed down to graven images.

And like Polygamy God never instructed them to do these things, nor did any of his prophets not once INCLUDING polygamy. In fact God commands us to do the opposite.

So if we are to follow your LDS illogical irrational thought process because Jews did it we can do it then we can murder commit Idolatry, steal, cheat, lie

So again I post in the truest meaning of the words definition,

YOU are and Idiot.
Simply

Lockhart, TX

#20194 Feb 15, 2013
Polygamy was nothing more but disgusting lust....why can't mormons see that?

1 Tim.3:2 If a man desire an office of a bishop he MUST be the husband of ONE WIFE. There it is a command.

This is for mormons. If polygamy is to be practiced in the future, how would ur wives feel about it?
Simply

Lockhart, TX

#20195 Feb 15, 2013
by Loren Franck

The Bible predicts a dreadful fate for liars. For instance, while banished on the island of Patmos, the Apostle John saw that "all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8). Similarly, the beloved disciple writes, liars are doomed to an eternity outside of God's presence (Revelation 22:15). Because Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44), lying is extremely serious sin.

As a full-time Mormon missionary from 1975 to 1977, I lied for the church countless times. Like my colleagues in the South Dakota-Rapid City Mission, which served the Dakotas and adjacent areas, I spoke truthfully about my background, but touted many Mormon teachings that contradict the Bible. After my mission ended, however, I examined these doctrines more closely. The harder I tried to reconcile the contradictions, the more evident they became. So, after extensive prayer and study, I resigned my church membership in 1984. Cheated and betrayed, I lacked spiritual life for the next 17 years. But God, knowing those who are His (John 10:14; 2 Timothy 2:19), drew me to Christ (John 6:44) and saved me in 2001. My spiritual emptiness was replaced by the abundant life only the Savior can give (John 10:10). And now, like millions of Christians worldwide, I have everlasting life through my faith in Him (John 3:36; 6:47).

I can't remember all of my missionary lies. Some were small, others grandiose, but all were false and misleading. Here are ten I'll never forget.

1. We're Not Trying to Convert You

Of all my lies, this was the most frequent. I learned it well while in Winnipeg, Manitoba, which was my first assignment. A standard door-to-door proselyting pitch began with, "We represent The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Interrupting, many people said they had their own religion. "Oh, we're not trying to convert you," I responded. "We're sharing a message for all faiths."

But Mormon missionaries have one overriding goal, and that's to bring converts into the church. Clearly, this was the purpose of my mission. I didn't trade the Southern California sunshine for the Dakota snow merely to build interfaith relations. My calling was to teach the church-approved missionary lessons and then baptize the people I taught.

2. The Bible is Insufficient

According to their eighth Article of Faith, Mormons accept the Bible as the word of God only when it's translated correctly. How convenient for a missionary. When a non-Mormon's interpretation of scripture differed from mine, I frequently blamed faulty Bible translation. And since I believed the Bible was missing "many plain and precious things," as the Book of Mormon claims in 1 Nephi 13:28-29, I urged prospective converts not to trust it completely.

And yet, Mormon proof texts had few translation problems. Throughout my mission, I used only those Bible verses that steered prospects away from their church and toward Mormonism. But what kind of Christian believes that an all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving God gave mankind an inadequate version of His word. Actually, the Bible is more than sufficient. With its 66 books, 1,189 chapters and nearly 740,000 words, it's the divine road map to eternal life through Jesus Christ.
Simply

Lockhart, TX

#20196 Feb 15, 2013
Cont'.

3. We're the Only True Christians

For decades, the Mormon Church has tried to blend with mainstream Christianity. Accordingly, during my mission a quarter-century ago, I worked hard to convince prospects that Mormons believe in the biblical Jesus. But Paul warned of deceivers who would lure Christians away from "the simplicity that is in Christ." These false teachers preached "another Jesus" and "another gospel" (2 Corinthians 11: 3-4) and were accursed (see Galatians 1:8-9). How interesting that Paul also cautions against false apostles, such as those in the Mormon Church (2 Corinthians 11:13-14).

So which Jesus and gospel do Mormons preach? While a missionary, I taught that Christ was the firstborn spirit child of the Father in a premortal life.(The remainder of humanity was born as spirits later in this "pre-existence.") But I didn't tell prospects this was a literal birth, the result of literal fathering, as Mormon prophets and apostles have claimed. If asked, I taught that the devil was born as one of God's noble spirit sons during the pre-existence, but had rebelled and started a war in heaven.

Consistent with Mormon doctrine, then, Christ and Satan are spirit brothers. But the Bible teaches that Christ is God (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6; John 1:1), that He has always been God (Psalm 90:2), and that He always will be God (Hebrews 13:8). Born into mortality some 2,000 years ago, Jesus is "God... manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16). He is far grander and holier than "our Elder Brother," as Mormons dub Him. Jesus and Satan aren't spirit brothers, and true Christians don't believe such blasphemy.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20197 Feb 15, 2013
Care Enough To Google It wrote:
Theologians didn't name it "The NATURAL way."
MEDICAL SCIENCE named it "The NATURAL way."
So yeah stupid, words mean something.
This time as pretty much all the time they mean you're proven full of crap with the offhand ease of taking candy from one of Satan's many, perverted, retarded children.
The Theologians call the birth of Jesus a "miracle." Brigham Young and the rest of the LDS leaders tried to turn it into a cheap Saturday night action. Mary could be defined as a "virgin" if she had to spread her legs for God.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20198 Feb 15, 2013
could not*
Simply

Lockhart, TX

#20200 Feb 15, 2013
Cont'

5. We Have a Living Prophet

Whether in wintry Winnipeg or the balmy Black Hills of Rapid City, I criticized Christians because their church lacked a living prophet. Mormons claim the true church must have one. My favorite Bible proof text to back this claim was Amos 3:7, which reads, "Surely, the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

When prospective converts remained skeptical of living prophets, I quoted Ephesians 4:11-14, which apparently requires living apostles and prophets until believers unify in the faith and understand Christ completely. However, writing in the past tense, Paul is actually referring to apostles and prophets of Jesus' day. Otherwise, verse 11 would read that the Lord "is giving" or "will give" apostles and prophets. Of course, God did reveal His will through Old Testament prophets, as Amos 3:7 affirms. But for the last 2,000 years, He has spoken to believers through Christ (Hebrews 1:1-2).

The truth about Mormonism's living prophets is further illuminated in Deuteronomy 18:22. "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord," the scripture reads, "if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Isaiah 8:20 contains a similar warning: "To the law and the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

False prophets who led ancient Israel astray received the death penalty (Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:20), and all who profess to be living prophets should consider the consequences. Mormon prophets might appear grandfatherly and sincere, but they're not God's living oracles. Since the Mormon Church was founded in 1830, its prophets have uttered a striking number of false prophecies.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20201 Feb 15, 2013
From Scoffing Mocker University, Wikipedia:

"Natural cycle In-Vitro-Fertilization"

"IVF can be performed by collecting a naturally selected egg from woman’s natural menstrual cycle without the use of any drugs.

IT IS KNOWN as NATURAL cycle IVF.

The first test tube baby Louise Brown was born following NATURAL cycle IVF. "
==========

the NAME of the IN VITRO PROCESS most like that described in the Bible is *NATURAL IN VITRO*

==========
In Vitro Fertilization: The NATURAL Way
By Jacques Kadoch, MD
Fall 2005

There has long been a demand for an IVF technique that works on a woman’s natural cycle,

***without ovarian stimulation***.
----------
The answer is NATURAL cycle IVF.
----------

Increasing numbers of infertile couples are attracted to this alternative protocol, which seems to come closer to
the ideal IVF scenario:
to conceive an embryo with high implantation potential at the start of a single pregnancy – but with minimal medical intervention.

----------
History
Twenty-five years ago, Edwards and Steptoe achieved the first human pregnancy through IVF

*after transferring an embryo from a NATURAL cycle.*

*** In these early years, doctors had to depend entirely on the cycle’s NATURAL timing.

This meant that oocyte retrieval

***often took place in the middle of the night***

***under general anesthetic***

and required a laparoscopy.
----------
Note two of the above are mentioned SPECIFICALLY in the BIBLE DESCRIPTION of the CONCEPTION
of Jesus Christ
by his MOTHER
& FATHER.
----------
More ON WHY THIS IN VITRO is REFERRED TO as

"THE NATURAL WAY"

" With natural cycle IVF the treatment cycle relies on the spontaneous development of one follicle only and therefore the aspiration of only one egg from the follicle

(it is possible however that the cycle can have more than one egg or no eggs).

There is nothing new about natural cycle IVF, in fact Louise Brown, the world’s first ‘test-tube baby' was conceived using this method in 1978."
----------

So
of ALL the METHODS

of IN VITRO there is ONE type called

"THE NATURAL WAY"

That's often used for older fathers who have wives who are young, when the father already has children but wants one with the mother,

that involves the woman being in a deep sleep,

that involves doing the procedure late at night,

and involves fertilization of ONE egg produced.

Yeah words mean something.

The very method MOST LIKE that

described IN the BIBLE has a SPECIFIC
MEDICAL

NAME:

"NATURAL"

in vitro fertilization.

We told you it would be natural and it would be virgin.

You told us that's impossible.

Then again you also told us the Jews weren't polygamous for 4,000 years.

So yeah words mean something and it turns out the METHOD NAMED by MEDICAL SCIENCE as "THE NATURAL method"

is the one described near IDENTICALLY in the Bible.

But you insist that

God the FATHER
isn't the FATHER.

That Mary the MOTHER
didn't get IMPREGNATED
by the FATHER
of her SON
Jesus Christ.

By the NATURAL in vitro method.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20202 Feb 15, 2013
All it takes is a quick Google of "Jewish Polygamy" to see why these pro-Sodomites are so upset they could choke on their vibrators.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20203 Feb 15, 2013
Care Enough To Google It wrote:
From Scoffing Mocker University, Wikipedia:
"Natural cycle In-Vitro-Fertilization"
"IVF can be performed by collecting a naturally selected egg from woman’s natural menstrual cycle without the use of any drugs.
IT IS KNOWN as NATURAL cycle IVF.
The first test tube baby Louise Brown was born following NATURAL cycle IVF. "
==========
the NAME of the IN VITRO PROCESS most like that described in the Bible is *NATURAL IN VITRO*
==========
In Vitro Fertilization: The NATURAL Way
By Jacques Kadoch, MD
Fall 2005
There has long been a demand for an IVF technique that works on a woman’s natural cycle,
***without ovarian stimulation***.
----------
The answer is NATURAL cycle IVF.
----------
Increasing numbers of infertile couples are attracted to this alternative protocol, which seems to come closer to
the ideal IVF scenario:
to conceive an embryo with high implantation potential at the start of a single pregnancy – but with minimal medical intervention.
----------
History
Twenty-five years ago, Edwards and Steptoe achieved the first human pregnancy through IVF
*after transferring an embryo from a NATURAL cycle.*
*** In these early years, doctors had to depend entirely on the cycle’s NATURAL timing.
This meant that oocyte retrieval
***often took place in the middle of the night***
***under general anesthetic***
and required a laparoscopy.
----------
Note two of the above are mentioned SPECIFICALLY in the BIBLE DESCRIPTION of the CONCEPTION
of Jesus Christ
by his MOTHER
& FATHER.
----------
More ON WHY THIS IN VITRO is REFERRED TO as
"THE NATURAL WAY"
" With natural cycle IVF the treatment cycle relies on the spontaneous development of one follicle only and therefore the aspiration of only one egg from the follicle
(it is possible however that the cycle can have more than one egg or no eggs).
There is nothing new about natural cycle IVF, in fact Louise Brown, the world’s first ‘test-tube baby' was conceived using this method in 1978."
----------
So
of ALL the METHODS
of IN VITRO there is ONE type called
"THE NATURAL WAY"
That's often used for older fathers who have wives who are young, when the father already has children but wants one with the mother,
that involves the woman being in a deep sleep,
that involves doing the procedure late at night,
and involves fertilization of ONE egg produced.
Yeah words mean something.
The very method MOST LIKE that
described IN the BIBLE has a SPECIFIC
MEDICAL
NAME:
"NATURAL"
in vitro fertilization.
We told you it would be natural and it would be virgin.
You told us that's impossible.
Then again you also told us the Jews weren't polygamous for 4,000 years.
So yeah words mean something and it turns out the METHOD NAMED by MEDICAL SCIENCE as "THE NATURAL method"
is the one described near IDENTICALLY in the Bible.
But you insist that
God the FATHER
isn't the FATHER.
That Mary the MOTHER
didn't get IMPREGNATED
by the FATHER
of her SON
Jesus Christ.
By the NATURAL in vitro method.
"The natural Way" is not referring to an action. Brigham Young was not talking anything but a "natural action". You can play silly word games, but there is only one natural way to create a child. Any other argument is just ignorance on the part of a person trying to defend their cult. You and No Surprise should get together, he doesn't think married people have sex. He also thinks Adultery is OK if you claim to be a prophet of God.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20204 Feb 15, 2013
“These name-titles all signify that our Lord in the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine,1966, pp. 546-547

Read that again: "in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers"

And again: "in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers"

That would be by screwing. Any other claims is wishful Mormon fantasies. Your pitiful attempt to try and change the definition only shows an febble effort to try and saved a perverted church.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20205 Feb 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Words mean something."
Yeah they do. They mean "don't choke on your condom denying the reality of Mary being pregnant the way Joseph's neighbors would."
JOSEPH HID MARY because HIS NEIGHBORS WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED SHE COULD BE
PREGNANT without SEX,
TOO.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20206 Feb 15, 2013
That is WHAT the BIBLE SAYS: He HID HER because HE DIDN'T WANT ANYONE to KNOW
she was PREGNANT.

Because THEY

like YOU would VIGOROUSLY DENY

it is POSSIBLE without her
having SEX.

She was a virgin, she bore the child of GOD.

And there's not a thing you can do or say about it but howl the howl, of damned, evil, sodomite trash.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20207 Feb 15, 2013
LoL what a stupid, evil hillbilly.

Being in
***the precise position*** of Joseph's neighbors who ALSO would TRY to CLAIM SEX ACTIVITY TOOK PLACE violating the LAW of GOD
for her to be pregnant is

P.R.I.C.E.L.E.S.S.

You got a condom in your throat scoffer? Mocker?

You don't have much to say I didn't already hear from
JOSEPH'S
NEIGHBORS.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20208 Feb 15, 2013
"Yeah but... yeahBuT!"

Yeah we heard it all from Joseph's neighbors already: "It's impossible, yadaYada".

LoL that's what happens when you side with Satan. Unbeknown to you the very method used by Heavenly Father, is NAMED "The Natural Method" by MEDICAL SCIENCE.

!LoLoLoLoLoLoL!
Simply

United States

#20209 Feb 15, 2013
Cont'

4. We're the Only True Church

I usually told this lie during the first of seven 30-minute missionary lessons, which presented the Joseph Smith story. According to our script, Smith prayed in 1820 about which church to join. He claimed the Father and Son appeared and told him that all Christian churches of the day were wrong. Smith said he was forbidden to join any of them, that their creeds were abominable and their professors all corrupt. "They draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me," the Lord allegedly added. "They teach for doctrines the commandments of men" (Joseph Smith — History, verse 19). In subsequent lessons, I told prospects that Mormonism is the true church God restored through Smith.

But the Bible says such a restoration was unnecessary. Admittedly, there was partial apostasy after Christ's resurrection, but never a complete falling away. In fact, shortly before His crucifixion, Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church (Matthew 16:18). During my mission, however, I argued that the gates of hell did prevail against Christ's church.

Shortly after renouncing Mormonism, I learned a scriptural death blow to notions of universal apostasy. Addressing Ephesian believers 30 years after the Ascension, the Apostle Paul writes, "Unto [God] be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen" (Ephesians 3:21). God received glory in the Christian church from the time of Paul's writing to the present day, and He will receive such glory throughout all succeeding generations. Therefore, the church must exist from Paul's day throughout eternity. This annihilates Mormon claims of complete apostasy and makes restoration of Christ's church impossible.
Simply

United States

#20210 Feb 15, 2013
6. The Book of Mormon is Scripture

Joseph Smith claimed that the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on earth, adding that man would become closer to God by following its precepts than by obeying any other book ("History of the Church," Vol. 4, p. 461). Replace "Book of Mormon" with "the Bible" and Smith would have told the truth.

When teaching missionary lessons, I boldly maintained that the Book of Mormon is scripture. I spent myriad hours convincing prospects that it's a sacred record of Christ's activities in the western hemisphere. Yet many Christians I contacted realized the book "borrows" heavily from the Bible and other sources. And in stark contrast to the Old and New Testaments, virtually no archaeological and anthropological evidence supports the Book of Mormon. Why not? Because it's fiction. When Christians want to read scripture, they turn to the Bible.

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