Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32098 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20150 Feb 14, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
What is more likely to be true? The first vision, or that he screwed women he claimed the Lord wanted him to marry?
Which is more likely to be true? His opinion that he saw God and angels? Many of the notable and not notable ones through out the centuries have claimed to have seen God and or angels. Soldiers on the battle fields have claimed to seen angels in the midst of fighting. Joan of Arc is said to have had her vision from the Lord. Paul had his vision of the Lord. People having life after death experiences have claimed to have seen God and angels and dead relatives.
See, a single man that was pro-life, had many children by one wife, that is proof of sexual activity.
But that same guy, a pro-lifer, doing his own 'religious marriages' to over thirty females in a three year period and not a single child exists to prove sexual activity was taking place, that cast's doubt as to the claim he was having sex for possibly hundreds of times with over thirty women in a three year period. Just a single living descendant would cast belief he was having sexual relations with just one of those wives.
So he claims to have seen God and angels. And others claimed to have seen the same angels he saw on several accounts.
He didn't claim to be having sexual relations with any one but Emma.
People claim he didn't see God and angels. And it's usually those that have never seen God and or angels that disbelieve others claims to have seen God and or angels.
But people claim he was having sex with over thirty females in a three year period for what would have been hundreds of times and there are no kids to prove all that sexual activity took place. Yet they claim no evidence is needed to believe he had sex with over thirty women in a three year period even if there are no kids for proof.
The reasoning sounds a bit twisted to me :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20151 Feb 14, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Fine, try joining the Mormon church without giving up smoking or drinking. And if it wasn't a commandment when Smith "revealed" it, it shouldn't be one now. Proof that Mormonism is man made crap labeled religion. No member of the LDS church should have to live a higher standard than Smith.
It wasn't a commandment. You were in that church for 30 years you claim and you didn't know the WoW didn't come by way of commandment? Once again you prove you know little of a religion you like to claim you know a lot about :)
"2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint,.."
The parts of the word of wisdom concerning alcohol(drugs), tobacco and caffeine have become a 'requirement' to abstain from when joining that church. And if you partake of them when a member, it's up to you to stop.
Father overtime

United States

#20152 Feb 14, 2013
Wrong on the caffeine brother. But everything else is true.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20153 Feb 14, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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He was jailed for destroying a printing press, not because of how he believed. He was going to be charged with adultery also, but was killed to soon. He was a martyr for perverted living. He was killed, but he was anything but a lamb. He was killed for his sicko thieving perverted ways. He thought himself above all laws of decency. The only shame is that a crowd didn't kill him in New York.
Once again proving you learned absolutely nothing in your 30 years as a Mormon about Mormons.
He was jailed for "riot". But he was essentially killed for his religious beliefs, not for having a printing press destroyed, fricking get real lol..

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20154 Feb 14, 2013
Father overtime wrote:
Wrong on the caffeine brother. But everything else is true.
well, partially correct :) For those interested in history read away and visit this link to learn more :)
http://en.fairmormon.org/Word_of_Wisdom/Histo...
The text of the Word of Wisdom forbids "strong drink" (D&C 89:5, 7), which was initially interpreted as distilled beverages (hard liquor). Beer, unfermented or lightly fermented wine, and cider were considered "mild drinks" (D&C 89:17) and therefore acceptable (note that verse 17 specifically permits "barley...for mild drinks"). The complete prohibition of alcoholic drinks of any kind only became part of the Word of Wisdom following the temperance movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries; Presidents Joseph F. Smith and Heber J. Grant supported the movement and Grant made complete abstention from alcohol in any form a requirement for a temple recommend in the early 1920s.
The same sort of "ramping up" of requirements occurred with regard to tobacco, coffee and tea. While use of these items was often discouraged by Church leaders, enforcement was usually light and confined to people who were severe abusers. For example, Brigham Young made the following remarks in April 1870 General Conference:
On Sunday, after meeting, going through the gallery which had been occupied by those claiming, no doubt, to be gentlemen, and perhaps, brethren, you might have supposed that cattle had been standing around there and dropping their nuisances. Here and there were great quids of tobacco, and places a foot or two feet square smeared with tobacco juice. I wish the door-keepers, when, in the future, they observe any persons besmearing the seats and floor in this way to request them to leave the house; and, if they refuse and will not stop spitting about and besmearing their neighbors, just take them and lead them out carefully and kindly. It is an imposition for those claiming to be gentlemen to spit tobacco juice for ladies to draw their clothes through and besmear them, or to leave their dirt in the house. We request all addicted to this practice, to omit it while in this house. Elders of Israel, if you must chew tobacco, omit it while in meeting, and when you leave, you can take a double portion, if you wish to.
..
By 1905, the Council of the Twelve were actively preaching that no man should hold a leadership position if he would not obey the Word of Wisdom.[7] On 5 July 1906, the First Presidency and Council of the Twelve began using water instead of wine for their sacrament meetings.[8] By 1915, President Joseph F. Smith instructed that no one was to be ordained to the priesthood or given temple recommends without adherence.[9] Heber J. Grant became President of the Church in 1918, and he continued the policy of Word of Wisdom observance; after that time temple attendance or priesthood ordination required obedience to the principle. Thus, the Church membership had eighty-five years to adapt and prepare for the full implementation of this revelation.[10] By 1933, the General Handbook of Instructions listed the Word of Wisdom as a requirement for temple worship, exactly 100 years after the receipt of the revelation by Joseph Smith.[11]
This long period of patience on the part of the Lord was necessary for all—from the newest member to even the leaders. Joseph F. Smith observed:
The reason undoubtedly why the Word of Wisdom was given—as not by 'commandment or restraint' was that at that time, at least, if it had been given as a commandment it would have brought every man, addicted to the use of these noxious things, under condemnation; so the Lord was merciful and gave them a chance to overcome, before He brought them under the law.[12]
Thus, we should not expect perfect observance of the Word of Wisdom (especially in its modern application) from early members or leaders. The Lord and the Church did not expect it of them—though the principle was taught and emphasized.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#20155 Feb 14, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
What was said was they practiced polygamy for 4,000.

Your 'ninja anti-key copy paste skills' then your responding to every post you disagree with... except the posts you can't come up with something to say about them.

sportxmouse

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#20156 Feb 14, 2013
correction...

your 'ninja anti-key copy paste skills' are better than your response skills.

sportxmouse

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#20157 Feb 14, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
How do you know what Egypt's agenda is?

Is he one of your atheist associates?

Are you posting under Egypt as a double?
Care Enough to Google iT

Live Oak, CA

#20158 Feb 14, 2013
Even the pro-Sodomite atheist's attempt to change the subject is a lie. There was looking forward to the day of a Savior as long as there were men of God who received revelations.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20159 Feb 14, 2013
Care EnoughTo Google iT wrote:
<quoted text>
We can see that by your wholesale denial that Jesus Christ is a man;
that His father impregnated His mother; that His Father even IS His
Father.
So, apparently you don't understand the term "virgin" do you? Another reason someone should get the Mormon church a dictionary.
Care Enough to Google iT

Live Oak, CA

#20160 Feb 14, 2013
So apparently Jews didn't practice polygamy for 4,000 years,

So apparently God the FATHER didn't impregnate the WOMAN, the MOTHER, Mary in a VIRGIN yet NATURAL, SEXUAL CONCEPTION culminating in the birth of the infant/boy/man, Jesus Christ.

In spite of the PREGNANT woman
having to have her husband
hide the PREGNANCY
lest people REALIZE SHE WAS PREGNANT: knowing how women CONCEIVE, they would

INSIST IT HAD to BE BECAUSE of SEXUAL ACTIVITY.

LIKE YOU

and be wrong.

LIKE YOU

and be unable to be told so.

LIKE YOU

So he simply concealed it from them
as they were TOO STUPID to be told.

LIKE YOU.

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#20163 Feb 14, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
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... really? really? lol
-You show your respect for standards and duty constantly it's not a surprise you stand up for dana... because you are pro-gay... and that's great... I'm happy for you. It's your choice.
-However, I wonder whom the Lord was referring to in:
Isaiah 29:13
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men.
-YOU ARE EITHER DUTY AND STANDARD DRIVEN OR YOU'RE NOT...
not a soul can hide from their duty.
not a soul can hide from the Lord.
******
If you have questions about her gender... all you gotta do is a background check... you can even google maps her address and see her house.
You can do a background check on her wife... Helena.
-I guess knowing how to use the Internet as a resource serves multiple purposes... right.
-What this has to do with is exposing Dana's agenda... and why she slanders the Christ and his Church.
-WHY does she speak her lies?
-That is exactly why I posted what I did.
-I read through all the past posts... even created a reference database for myself :)
-Don't be surprised the Church encourages education.
You must have missed the Sunday when they taught Love one another a Jesus loves you.

sportxmouse

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#20164 Feb 14, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
1) Mary was a virgin before and after God "impregnated"/ overshadowed her and she became pregnant.(MORE of your 'ninja anti-key' word TWISTING games 'trying' to produce opinion as evidence')

2) Adam and Eve were taught about 'commandments and all things' since the very beginning... thus, I am to come to understand the knowledge of the God, commandments, "the gospel",
- meaning "CHRISTIANITY" was here since then... the very beginning.

GET IT?

Your argument has no credibility.

sportxmouse

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#20165 Feb 14, 2013
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
Genesis 4:1-16

1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5 But unto Cain and to his offering HE HAD NOT RESPECT. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

9 And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper?

10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground.

11 And now art thou acursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;

12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16 And Cain went out from the apresence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

sportxmouse

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#20166 Feb 14, 2013
What is going to happen on judgement day not ashamed?

... just as Cain... if we do don't do our DUTY and choose wisely, Heavenly Father can't show us favor... and we will be case out from his presence.

sportxmouse

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#20167 Feb 14, 2013
correction "cast"
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20168 Feb 14, 2013
"Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-day Saints with it and see if it will stand the test," (Brigham Young, May 18, 1873, Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p. 46.)

What does Mormonism Teach? Well, here are some of the basics, plain and simple.

God came from another planet
God is a man with a body of flesh and bones
There is a mother goddess
God and his goddess wife are married
You can become gods

Following is a comparison between Christian doctrine and Mormon doctrine. It will become very obvious that Mormonism does not agree with the Bible. In fact, Mormonism uses the same words found in Christianity but it redefines them. So, with a proper understanding of what Mormonism really teaches, you will be able to see past those definitions into the real differences between Christianity and Mormonism.

The difference is the difference between eternal life and damnation.

http://carm.org/comparison-between-christian-...
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20169 Feb 14, 2013
Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to Heaven?(The Young Woman's Journal, vol. 3, p. 263-264. See reprint in Mormonism -- Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, p. 4.)

concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20170 Feb 14, 2013
Questions for Mormons

If the principle of "progression" is eternally true, why is it that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not gods of their own worlds?
If it is necessary to have a body in order to become a God, then how did the Holy Spirit, who does not have a body, attain the status of godhood?
If the book of Mormon is the most correct book of any on earth and contains the fullness of the gospel, then why does it not contain the essential Mormon doctrines of eternal progression, the priesthoods, the plurality of gods, that God is an exalted man, and the 3 degrees of glory?
If the book of Mormon was transmitted to us by the power of God, why does it have thousands of changes in it?
Why does the book of Mormon say that black skin is not "enticing" to God's people in 2 Nephi 5:21?“And he had caused the acursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.”
Why does the Mormon Church still claim the book of Abraham is inspired Scripture, when it has been demonstrated that it is not that, but is instead an Egyptian burial papyrus?
How could the Garden of Eden be in Missouri (according to Mormonism) when the Pearl of great Price 3:10-14 tells us it was the area of Assyria when it mentions the rivers of Eden located there?
Mormonism teaches an infinite regression of Gods, but an infinite regression of gods means that there is no first god by which his subjects were exalted to godhood. If there is no first God, how can there be a second and a third, and thus the Mormon doctrine of eternal progression?
If Elohim (which is God the Father in Mormonism) was once a man, then he changed from being a man to becoming God. How is this possible when the Bible says in Psalm 90:2, that God is God from everlasting to everlasting?
Joseph Smith said he saw God the father (and Jesus) in the first vision in 1820. Smith said he received the priesthood in 1829. In the Doctrine and Covenants 84:21-22 Smith said that you cannot see the face of God and live without the authority of the priesthood. How did Joseph Smith see God when he didn't have the priesthood?
How did Joseph Smith carry home the Golden plates when the weight of the plates, if they had been pure gold, would have been over 200 pounds?
Some later Mormon apologists are theorizing that the Golden Plates were not pure gold, but an alloy weighing as little as 50 pounds. There is no mention by Joseph Smith receiving any supernatural help carrying the plates. How is it possible for Smith to run with 50 pounds of metal plates under his arm, for three miles, while being pursued and attacked three times?
In Mormonism, the father is called Elohim and Jesus is called Jehovah. But in 1 Kings 8:60 it says that “The Lord is God.” Literally in the Hebrew it is “Jehovah is Elohim.” How do you explain this passage that says Jehovah is Elohim?

concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20171 Feb 14, 2013
cont from above

In Mormonism, God and his wife are exalted beings from another world. We know that life forms from another planet are called aliens. Therefore, isn't it true that Mormons worship an alien from another world who they call their god?
Brigham Young, the second prophet of the Mormon Church, said that the birth of Jesus was "the result of natural action" (Journal of discourses, volume 8, page 115). He also said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 218). In light of this, how was Jesus born of the Virgin Mary?
In light of the previous question and Mormon doctrine saying that we are all literally the children of God, then wasn’t Brigham Young teaching that God had relations with his spirit daughter?
According to Mormonism, Jesus was the one being married to Mary and Martha at the wedding of Cana in John 2. If this is so, then why was Jesus invited to his own wedding?
If the book of Mormon is true, why have both National Geographic and the Smithsonian Institute rejected it as being archaeologically reliable?
Why is it that there have been no archaeological discoveries at all that demonstrate what Joseph Smith said is "reformed Egyptian?"
Why does the book of Mormon contain the word "church" in 1 Nephi 14:3, 9, 10, 12 which was set around 600 BC, yet the word church was not used until the time of Jesus (Matt. 16:18)?
Why is the French word "adieu" in the book of Mormon in Jacob 7:27?
Why should I become a Mormon if when I die, I go to the middle level of heaven when that is where most Mormons will go anyway?

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