Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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Editor's note: Dean Obeidallah is an award-winning comedian who has appeared on TV shows such as Comedy Central's "Axis of Evil" special, ABC's "The View," CNN's "What the Week" and HLN's "The Joy Behar Show." He is executive producer of the annual New York Arab-American Comedy Festival and the Amman Stand Up Comedy Festival.

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Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#1506 Nov 27, 2011
No Surprise wrote:
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You display base symptoms of delusional paranoia. If you doubt me which you will, I challenge you to copy your post above and submit it to a psychologist for their opinion :)
Ah, It's back.... I thought I smelled rotten eggs and look who shows up.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#1507 Nov 27, 2011
No Surprise Im Predicable wrote:
DUMB ASS
Everyone else on the planet took about the same amount of time give or take a few hundred years.
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your ignorance is predictable, your name calling childish as your thinking, your ability to dodge and not answer a question proved, your paranoid delusions verified and by you time and again.
It doesn't have to be that way you know? Don't you?
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#1508 Nov 27, 2011
No Surprise wrote:
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You're continuing ignorance is quite surprising. When are you going to remember what you write?
You stated it would be easy for anyone to write a book like the BOM. Now you argue why it shouldn't be done?? lolol...that is *ucking nuts of you but not surprising in the least.
You stated anyone could write a book like the BOM. The on going problem is you have as yet supplied evidence for any such book you claim should or does exist!
And just because my nephew can fart at will and demonstrates it to his friends doesn't mean he's chosen of god either. Don't think for a minute the fact that Joe wrote something that regularly puts those who frequent Marriott properties to sleep gives him anything special. Other than being a crappy writer.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#1509 Nov 27, 2011
No Surprise Im Predicable wrote:
DUMB ASS
Everyone else on the planet took about the same amount of time give or take a few hundred years.
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No it didn't. Answer the question you claim to be able to understand that science so far has no logical/scientific answer for concerning this continent.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#1510 Nov 27, 2011
No Surprise Im Predicable wrote:
Good thing I don't worship SPAIN.
When will it sink into your head, the stuff white people did is not in line with the Bible?
When will it sink in your head that Mormonism only continued the anti-Biblical anti JESUS propaganda for the sake of $$$$ and white supremacy.
lol...you need to really research before you speak. you'd appear less ignorant in what you say.
People of varying colors of tan, brown and black used the Bible as Christians to support slavery before the white colored people did of England and America.
That stated, Christianity was pro-slavery since roman times to the Christians of America up until the 1900s. Thast as you state it makes all of Christianity racists including you because your Christian religion is predicated on it's long time pro-slaver stance. Just because you may not support slavery it doesn't take from the fact your religion according to your thinking is still based on racism. You'll never erase that fact. In your thinking you re a Christian and a Christian of a religion based in racism for 1900 years. According to your thinking, that makes you a racist :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#1511 Nov 27, 2011
No Surprise Im Predicable wrote:
Are you so slow that you are trying to convince anyone that we were discussing a time period 1400 years from Jesus when I said "EARLY CHRISTIANS"?
Who here is falling for this idiot's attempt to confuse you. Raise your hand. Reply.
If no one is falling for it, then all you are doing is lying to yourself liar.
GOODNIGHT
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Let's get the beginning of this straightened out shall we? I'll paste your early post to prove it and make you a real liar if you wish.
We were speaking of the mark of Cain. You stated it began with Smith. I disagreed and stated it began with Christians who came before him. You disagreed. I responded it began with earlier Christians going back to Rome. You disagreed and wanted proof.
I did supply evidence that people(Christians and non-Christians) believed the theory/belief of the mark of Cain being a dark skin in the 17th century showing it had been around for a century before Smith was born.
That made it a Christian taught theory/belief. Since early Christians came from Mother England, that would mean that is where this theory/belief came from first.
That leaves anyone to logically decide from circumstantial evidence (journals-writings) how much earlier this mark of Cain was perpetuated by earlier Christian priests, monks, theologists to support various rulers and their want to have and own slaves native or alien.
Even the Koran supported slavery but not because of a curse/mark the scriptures refer to.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#1512 Nov 27, 2011
Haw Haw wrote:
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And just because my nephew can fart at will and demonstrates it to his friends doesn't mean he's chosen of god either. Don't think for a minute the fact that Joe wrote something that regularly puts those who frequent Marriott properties to sleep gives him anything special. Other than being a crappy writer.
I said when you set aside your unfounded need to be crass and vulger and sarcastic, I'd be happy to debate you about whatever. But here I can applaud even Dan for having a better grip on using english for conversing with then you :) Still waiting :)

Since: Nov 11

United States

#1513 Nov 28, 2011
Anything you want to know about Scientology or being Mormon, just watch south park....they are both stupid and the the Mormon bible seems like it was written by some patriotic racist white man
way of seeing

Portsmouth, VA

#1514 Nov 28, 2011
yes,the bible is sufficient enough,and i still believe in the bible codes though not mormonism. the codes discovered by grant jeffrey and eliyahu ripps are real and are not additions to the WORD,only commentaries and prophecies of what God knew about in our human history to come. The Koran and Book of mormon seems to have no codes in it,but the bible does! These codes are so intricate that the texts of the hbrew and greek had to be translated correctly for the codes to appear,thus proving the bible has been translated correctly long before joseph smith said it was possibly not and needed better translating. more at "Grant jeffrey,bible codes.com "

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#1515 Nov 28, 2011
No Surprise wrote:
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You appear a bit more sincere and intelligent in your posts then Dan so I'll reply in kind.
The BOM speaks of other people that came to the Americas prior to Lehi. Google BOM time line and you'll see what it speaks of.
Yes, I know all about the book of Ether. But it was just a small book of little importance. The main story of the BOM concerns Lehi and his descendents.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#1516 Nov 28, 2011
No Surprise wrote:
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You appear a bit more sincere and intelligent in your posts then Dan so I'll reply in kind.
The BOM speaks of other people that came to the Americas prior to Lehi. Google BOM time line and you'll see what it speaks of.
I do agree that people should lower their temps and just debate the facts. Name calling isn't helping anybody.
No Surprise Im Predicable

Oak Park, MI

#1517 Nov 28, 2011
Actually you are lying.

Anyone can read it and take the time to see for themselves.

I am against the Quran as much as anyone else, but the fact is there are many places in the quran which, if you would think for a minute, are also in the Bible and in the real world.

Medina, Mecca, Aksum, Jerusalem, Antioch, various cities in Saudi Arabia, Damascus, Greece...

Now, LIKE the Mormon book, there are fictional places, as the Quran also uses the real places as a template to fabricate it's fiction.

So that any place not mentioned IN the BIble is, like the Mormon book, is simply non existent.

So Mormonism has less to offer...

Google it since you doubt me. You can begin with this link wherein Mormon LDS scholars admit little has been validated :)

http://www.stanford.edu/~jsdaniel/BoM_Meso.ht...

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No Surprise wrote:
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Actually, very little of the Koran be it names or geographical locations have been found to be proven as once having existed oh ignorant one as I stated. Google it since you doubt me. You can begin with this link wherein Koran Muslin scholars admit little has been validated :)
http://www.quran.org.uk/articles/ieb_quran_ge...
No Surprise Im Predicable

Oak Park, MI

#1518 Nov 28, 2011
BETTER BOOKS HAVE BEEN WRITTEN

The View of the Hebrews

and the BOM WAS WRITTEN BADLY, SO NO ONE IS GOING TO REWRITE IT!

And every book even books badly written will not be "written like it".

Can you name two books that are written "alike" that are good books?

No.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You're continuing ignorance is quite surprising. When are you going to remember what you write?
You stated it would be easy for anyone to write a book like the BOM. Now you argue why it shouldn't be done?? lolol...that is *ucking nuts of you but not surprising in the least.
You stated anyone could write a book like the BOM. The on going problem is you have as yet supplied evidence for any such book you claim should or does exist!
No Surprise Im Predicable

Oak Park, MI

#1519 Nov 28, 2011
Name some.

And name some ways that Christianity supported racism in any way in the early period.

Slavery is not supportive of racism. Slavery based ON racism is another issue, and you are confusing the two things.

Being enslaved for theft is different than being enslaved for being born with black skin.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...you need to really research before you speak. you'd appear less ignorant in what you say.
People of varying colors of tan, brown and black used the Bible as Christians to support slavery before the white colored people did of England and America.
That stated, Christianity was pro-slavery since roman times to the Christians of America up until the 1900s. Thast as you state it makes all of Christianity racists including you because your Christian religion is predicated on it's long time pro-slaver stance. Just because you may not support slavery it doesn't take from the fact your religion according to your thinking is still based on racism. You'll never erase that fact. In your thinking you re a Christian and a Christian of a religion based in racism for 1900 years. According to your thinking, that makes you a racist :)
PPandF

Salt Lake City, UT

#1520 Nov 28, 2011
No Surprise Im Predicable wrote:
Actually you are lying.
Anyone can read it and take the time to see for themselves.
I am against the Quran as much as anyone else, but the fact is there are many places in the quran which, if you would think for a minute, are also in the Bible and in the real world.
Medina, Mecca, Aksum, Jerusalem, Antioch, various cities in Saudi Arabia, Damascus, Greece...
Now, LIKE the Mormon book, there are fictional places, as the Quran also uses the real places as a template to fabricate it's fiction.
So that any place not mentioned IN the BIble is, like the Mormon book, is simply non existent.
So Mormonism has less to offer...
Google it since you doubt me. You can begin with this link wherein Mormon LDS scholars admit little has been validated :)
http://www.stanford.edu/~jsdaniel/BoM_Meso.ht...
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What do you think of the ancient ruins of Mexico, South America,
and the mounds found in the United States, those were and are Evidence of People and Cities. Those Cities have no names to them.
No Surprise Im Predicable

Oak Park, MI

#1521 Nov 28, 2011
NO I didnt state it started with Smith..

About FORTY TIMES

I stated it began with Baptists and Methodists that were teaching it about 100-200 years BEFORE Smith.

This fact makes Smith's so called "revelation" about it even MORE false because it didn't come out of the blue. It "just so happened" to fit well in line with what the white people were belieivng from folk tales of the day to justify slavery.

It's no different than saying there are four elements. Or that the sun goes around the earth.

It is a fact that Smith wrote "scripture" that pushed a falsehood.

It is a fact that black skin never came from Cain, Canaan, nor from a fictional Lamanite, nor a fictional Nephite, nor a mark from God, nor a curse from God.

Black skin came from the natural order of creation and through the development of the very first humans who were black skinned, whether from Adam and Eve or Evolution.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's get the beginning of this straightened out shall we? I'll paste your early post to prove it and make you a real liar if you wish.
We were speaking of the mark of Cain. You stated it began with Smith. I disagreed and stated it began with Christians who came before him. You disagreed. I responded it began with earlier Christians going back to Rome. You disagreed and wanted proof.
I did supply evidence that people(Christians and non-Christians) believed the theory/belief of the mark of Cain being a dark skin in the 17th century showing it had been around for a century before Smith was born.
That made it a Christian taught theory/belief. Since early Christians came from Mother England, that would mean that is where this theory/belief came from first.
That leaves anyone to logically decide from circumstantial evidence (journals-writings) how much earlier this mark of Cain was perpetuated by earlier Christian priests, monks, theologists to support various rulers and their want to have and own slaves native or alien.
Even the Koran supported slavery but not because of a curse/mark the scriptures refer to.
PPandF

Salt Lake City, UT

#1522 Nov 28, 2011
PPandF wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you think of the ancient ruins of Mexico, South America,
and the mounds found in the United States, those were and are Evidence of People and Cities. Those Cities have no names to them.
And there are finds like Izapa Stela 5. Joseph Smith did not
carve that stone.
PPandF

Salt Lake City, UT

#1523 Nov 28, 2011
No Surprise Im Predicable wrote:
Actually you are lying.
Anyone can read it and take the time to see for themselves.
I am against the Quran as much as anyone else, but the fact is there are many places in the quran which, if you would think for a minute, are also in the Bible and in the real world.
Medina, Mecca, Aksum, Jerusalem, Antioch, various cities in Saudi Arabia, Damascus, Greece...
Now, LIKE the Mormon book, there are fictional places, as the Quran also uses the real places as a template to fabricate it's fiction.
So that any place not mentioned IN the BIble is, like the Mormon book, is simply non existent.
So Mormonism has less to offer...
Google it since you doubt me. You can begin with this link wherein Mormon LDS scholars admit little has been validated :)
http://www.stanford.edu/~jsdaniel/BoM_Meso.ht...
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The existence of Archeology and its findings are fictional ??
I don't think so...!
No Surprise Im Predicable

Oak Park, MI

#1524 Nov 28, 2011
No one likes liars.

You've tried to lie to me about eight times.

Right now you are lying about "early Christians" and now it's this nonsense about the Quran.

No one respects you, so maybe you might want to consider that's why people don't bother to use any integrity in their posts.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I said when you set aside your unfounded need to be crass and vulger and sarcastic, I'd be happy to debate you about whatever. But here I can applaud even Dan for having a better grip on using english for conversing with then you :) Still waiting :)
peter the bear

Brampton, Canada

#1525 Nov 28, 2011
Mormons are a cult..end of story

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