Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

[Cary L Nickel]

Dana Robertson wrote:

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Good, he was caught and sent to prison. Thank you Jesus!(See that is how normal people react, Cary)
One for you: http://www.abc4.com/news/local/story/Former-L...
"Police said McCleve would wait for his victims to come home from school. With the parents gone, he allegedly abused the girls in their own house. Police said McCleve's former position as a LDS bishop got him through the front door."
Another one for you: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52443743-78...
"The vice president of the Duchesne County School Board, who also is an LDS bishop, is accused of failing to report a child-abuse case."
We do have have to protect the perverted church brethren.

Another case of deflection, Dana?

Normal people don't spend hours on end on a daily basis for years, and perhaps decades, working to defame their own former church of over 30 years. They simply move on and be happy with what they perceive to the be the blessings in their life.

You want to lambaste an entire church based upon the actions of various disconnected individuals, while twisting the words and phrases of over a century and a half in every possible manner you can in order to make an entire organization look bad.

Well, if you were intellectually honest (normal?), you wouldn't be pointing fingers, you'd be questioning your own church for it's intolerance, and the actions of your "filthy" (there's a word you should easily recognize) leaders.

After all, with so many people connected to the Salvation Army going bad, it must be due to your church's teachings, right? Every single action and criticism leveled against your church MUST be absolutely true as I state them, right? Every person who leaves your church means the Salvation Army is falling apart and heading for apostasy, right? Every action and policy you don't believe in or understand must mean the group is evil, right?

Hey, I'm only judging your church by the standards by which you judge mine. Based upon the following, your church must have ole' Beelzebub himself running the show:

Salvation Army bails out molesting minister:

"Police and prosecutors expressed anger Friday that the Salvation Army put up $2,000 bail, allowing a former commander to be released from jail pending an appeal on his conviction of molesting girls at the organization's Burbank headquarters.

Gilbert Crowell, 28, an ordained minister with a wife and three children, was convicted July 1 on four counts of child molesting and two counts of battery, all misdemeanors, involving three girls."

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-09-24/local/...

[Cary L Nickel]

Do you know what some churches do with the money they solicit from the unsuspecting public?

How long can Dana Robertson continue to support the actions of a church so evil?

Church keeps molesting minister on the payroll:

"A new lawsuit reopens the case of a Kenai minister convicted earlier this year of child molestation.

Monday a lawyer representing families of eight children filed a suit against The Salvation Army and against C. Troy Trickel and his wife, Deborah Trickel.

Troy Trickel is serving three years in prison after pleading no contest to a single consolidated charge of second-degree sexual abuse of a minor. The conviction stemmed from incidents in Kenai in 1998 or 1999 involving four girls who were 8 to 13 years old at the time.

The lawsuit alleges that The Salvation Army officials in Anchorage allowed the Trickels, who were then captains in the ministry, to remain in charge of the Kenai church for two years after people notified them of concerns about Troy Trickel's conduct."

http://peninsulaclarion.com/stories/120401/ne...

[Cary L Nickel]

A Christian organization?

Church leaders defend the reprehensible actions of it's own officials, transferring a known molester out of state:

"An Oregon mother has sued the Alaska division of the Salvation Army, accusing it of allowing a former youth services officer to transfer to Oregon while knowing he had been accused of molesting young boys in Alaska.

The lawsuit was filed Tuesday in federal court in Anchorage. In her suit, the Oregon woman says that the Salvation Army in Alaska knew Paul Fanning had molested children here and transferred him to Oregon "as a result of the reports of his sexually inappropriate conduct with children in Alaska."

Fanning, formerly a captain with the Salvation Army, was convicted in Hillsboro, Ore., last year of molesting the woman's son and an Alaska youth who visited Fanning in Oregon. The abuse occurred in 2000."

http://juneauempire.com/stories/012203/sta_sa...

[ussurf]

With all due respect to the Mormon Church,cheating is not a Christian teaching.Here you have a member, a public figure that is extremely questionable.I will not vote for dishonesty.

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[Jesus Christ]

Cary L Nickel wrote:

A Christian organization?
Church leaders defend the reprehensible actions of it's own officials, transferring a known molester out of state:
"An Oregon mother has sued the Alaska division of the Salvation Army, accusing it of allowing a former youth services officer to transfer to Oregon while knowing he had been accused of molesting young boys in Alaska.
The lawsuit was filed Tuesday in federal court in Anchorage. In her suit, the Oregon woman says that the Salvation Army in Alaska knew Paul Fanning had molested children here and transferred him to Oregon "as a result of the reports of his sexually inappropriate conduct with children in Alaska."
Fanning, formerly a captain with the Salvation Army, was convicted in Hillsboro, Ore., last year of molesting the woman's son and an Alaska youth who visited Fanning in Oregon. The abuse occurred in 2000."
http://juneauempire.com/stories/012203/sta_sa...

Cary, like I told you two weeks ago, your church is failing and I will make sure it fails. Can't you see what is happening in the news? Your Mormonism is in the shitter and rigthfully so, you pieces of shit keep on lying and this isn't something 'normal' as you try to put it. This isn't something Christlike. Don't you ever put Mormonism in the same category as Christian churches who try very hard to be honest, your Mormonism is a disgrace to all churches and is a bane to society. Like I've said before, you church will be destroyed and removed from the face of the earth in less than five years. When it does fail, then what are you going to do then? Does that mean you are still chosen by God? What happens then? You can't stop the bleeding that has been started, there's not a band-aid big enough. The best part about the bleeding is that it was so so damn easy to start; and you can count on the fact that it will continue, but at a quicker pace over the next few weeks. Even though I am an active Mormon myself, the Mormon church will become such a horrible place that people will consider the word "Mormon" to be the new f-word. You watch, our church is on the verge of destruction and I'm enjoying every single second of it. Hahahaha, and just two weeks ago you thought, "Durr, well this kid is nuts, durr." No, if anything, I'm a fucking prophet for pointing you to what was going to happen to the MOrmons and what will continue to happen. God hates you, God hates me, God hates the Mormons, and they lived happily ever after. Amen.

PS, I've now asked at aleast 15 people to pray to their Mormon God that he send down a destroying angel to kill me because of my comments. Unfortunately, this destroying angel is late I guess? Not sure, maybe you can ask the Mormon Jesus to send the angel again, perhaps the angels are busy, I'm not sure.

[Jesus Christ]

My name is Jesus Christ. I live on Kolob. I would just like to officially say fuck you to Thomas S Monson, Henry B. Eyring, Dieter F. Uchtdorf, Boyd K. Packer, L. Tom Perry, Russell M.. Nelson, Dallin H. Oaks, M. Russell Ballard, Richard G. Scott, Robert D. Hales, Jeffrey R. Holland, David A. Bednar, Quentin L. Cook, D. Todd Christofferson, and Neil L. Anderson. Feel free to send the missionaries over.

[Alexander the Great]

Mormonism is a cult. Its some kind of messed up community. I have lived in Utah, and i can tell you its the kind of religion that you see in the movies with the secret rituals.

[Dana Robertson]

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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Another case of deflection, Dana?

No, just showing you have no room to criticize. When it comes to child molestation, we can go all the back to the first Mormon, Joseph Smith.

Normal people don't spend hours on end on a daily basis for years, and perhaps decades, working to defame their own former church of over 30 years. They simply move on and be happy with what they perceive to the be the blessings in their life.

They do when they find out that the church they were born and raised is nothing but deceptions and lies. That it doesn't keep one promise. That far from being "the only true church" of Christ, it isn't any church of Christ. That everything you did for that church, you did for nothing.

You want to lambaste an entire church based upon the actions of various disconnected individuals, while twisting the words and phrases of over a century and a half in every possible manner you can in order to make an entire organization look bad.

Various disconnected individuals? Smith, Young, Snow, were disconnected individuals? They were only the people who claimed to be prophets and seers of God. That is suppose to mean something. It isn't suppose to mean they can be the filthiest, murdering, child molesting perverts on the face of the earth. They should have had at lest some morals, some righteousness, some holiness, some self control. Yet these people lived in the gutter and you don't care. "All is well."

Well, if you were intellectually honest (normal?), you wouldn't be pointing fingers, you'd be questioning your own church for it's intolerance, and the actions of your "filthy" (there's a word you should easily recognize) leaders.

1. My salvation isn't depended on my membership in the Army. 2. If a leader is breaking the law, I don't make excuses for them, and I want them to be punished. 3. I don't sing songs of praises to those leaders. 4. The Army's foundation isn't based on an attempt to see how many women they could screw and call it the will of God.

After all, with so many people connected to the Salvation Army going bad, it must be due to your church's teachings, right?

If so, please tell us which one. I can certainly show what teachings of the LDS church justify it's perversions.

Every single action and criticism leveled against your church MUST be absolutely true as I state them, right?

Only if they claimed to have gotten them by direct communication from God. If they claim that God and his Son told you directly to your face. If the leaders claimed to be Prophets equal to the prophets of the Old Testament. The Army makes no such claim, it is only Mormonism that does. And because it does, it has to meet that standard. It is your church making the claims, don't be mad when people put them to the test.

Every person who leaves your church means the Salvation Army is falling apart and heading for apostasy, right? Every action and policy you don't believe in or understand must mean the group is evil, right?

Nope. Do you notice that you don't see the outpouring of Anti-Army sites that you do with Mormonism? I could show you 10 sites on Mormonism for any 1 concerning the Army. People aren't leaving because of dissatisfaction.

http://ldssexchildabuse.blogspot.com/

"His filthy digit tasted like rust and fish. "I can hurt you without leaving any marks," Brent growled as I writhed in agony on the ground. I struggled for breath as he mounted my back, put his finger in my mouth, and pulled back on my cheek, fish-hooking me. The pain was incredible. I tried to beg him to stop, but the words would not come."

Another example of Mormons "not forcing" the church on their kids.

[Cary L Nickel]

Jesus Christ wrote:

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Cary, like I told you two weeks ago, your church is failing and I will make sure it fails. Can't you see what is happening in the news? Your Mormonism is in the shitter and rigthfully so, you pieces of shit keep on lying and this isn't something 'normal' as you try to put it. This isn't something Christlike. Don't you ever put Mormonism in the same category as Christian churches who try very hard to be honest, your Mormonism is a disgrace to all churches and is a bane to society. Like I've said before, you church will be destroyed and removed from the face of the earth in less than five years. When it does fail, then what are you going to do then? Does that mean you are still chosen by God? What happens then? You can't stop the bleeding that has been started, there's not a band-aid big enough. The best part about the bleeding is that it was so so damn easy to start; and you can count on the fact that it will continue, but at a quicker pace over the next few weeks. Even though I am an active Mormon myself, the Mormon church will become such a horrible place that people will consider the word "Mormon" to be the new f-word. You watch, our church is on the verge of destruction and I'm enjoying every single second of it. Hahahaha, and just two weeks ago you thought, "Durr, well this kid is nuts, durr." No, if anything, I'm a fucking prophet for pointing you to what was going to happen to the MOrmons and what will continue to happen. God hates you, God hates me, God hates the Mormons, and they lived happily ever after. Amen.
PS, I've now asked at aleast 15 people to pray to their Mormon God that he send down a destroying angel to kill me because of my comments. Unfortunately, this destroying angel is late I guess? Not sure, maybe you can ask the Mormon Jesus to send the angel again, perhaps the angels are busy, I'm not sure.

Naw, we just don't take you seriously because you have nothing important to say.

Have a great day!

And check out:

www.mormon.org

[Dana Robertson]

Cary L Nickel wrote:

Do you know what some churches do with the money they solicit from the unsuspecting public?
How long can Dana Robertson continue to support the actions of a church so evil?
Church keeps molesting minister on the payroll:
"A new lawsuit reopens the case of a Kenai minister convicted earlier this year of child molestation.
Monday a lawyer representing families of eight children filed a suit against The Salvation Army and against C. Troy Trickel and his wife, Deborah Trickel.
Troy Trickel is serving three years in prison after pleading no contest to a single consolidated charge of second-degree sexual abuse of a minor. The conviction stemmed from incidents in Kenai in 1998 or 1999 involving four girls who were 8 to 13 years old at the time.
The lawsuit alleges that The Salvation Army officials in Anchorage allowed the Trickels, who were then captains in the ministry, to remain in charge of the Kenai church for two years after people notified them of concerns about Troy Trickel's conduct."
http://peninsulaclarion.com/stories/120401/ne...

Where have you ever seen me support child abuse? Send them to prison if they are guilty(See, that is what normal people say). Who's the real deceiver? That's right, Cary.

[Dana Robertson]

Cary L Nickel wrote:

A Christian organization?
Church leaders defend the reprehensible actions of it's own officials, transferring a known molester out of state:
"An Oregon mother has sued the Alaska division of the Salvation Army, accusing it of allowing a former youth services officer to transfer to Oregon while knowing he had been accused of molesting young boys in Alaska.
The lawsuit was filed Tuesday in federal court in Anchorage. In her suit, the Oregon woman says that the Salvation Army in Alaska knew Paul Fanning had molested children here and transferred him to Oregon "as a result of the reports of his sexually inappropriate conduct with children in Alaska."
Fanning, formerly a captain with the Salvation Army, was convicted in Hillsboro, Ore., last year of molesting the woman's son and an Alaska youth who visited Fanning in Oregon. The abuse occurred in 2000."
http://juneauempire.com/stories/012203/sta_sa...

Mormon historian, Grant Palmer: "Discuss Sexual Allegations Against Joseph Smith, William and Jane Law, and His Resignation"

http://mormonstories.org/324-326-grant-palmer...

[Cary L Nickel]

Salvation Army pays off victims, apologizes, for decades of systematic abuse by it's leaders:

LINDA MOTTRAM: After the damaging scandals in the Catholic and Anglican Churches over the abuse of children, the Salvation Army has now issued an unreserved apology to those who were victims of abuse while in its care.

Stories of years of beatings, sexual molestation, and slave-labour type work conditions, endured by some children in Salvation Army-run institutions will be detailed tonight by the ABC's Four Corners program.

Nick Grimm reports.

EXTRACT FROM SALVATION ARMY AD: The Salvation Army is a strong supporter of the scouting movement, as a means of building healthy bodies as well as healthy minds – ideals that are carried through to their schools for children from broken homes. For these youngsters, school is home.

VICTIM 1: My number was 68 and every article of clothing or anything that we owned was put, that number was put on.

VICTIM 2: I was number 32. Now I'm sorry I'm going to get upset if I hold that for too long.

NICK GRIMM: Merely a number – just one of ways that children who were sent to church and State-run institutions during the 1950s, 60s and 70s found themselves dehumanised by the system.

For some it was just the start of the brutality they were to experience.

VICTIM 3: Once he came up and just punched me right in the side of the head and then he dragged me and kicked me and punched me all the way to his office.

VICTIM 4: Absolute mongrels. I can't think of other words for them and these people call themselves Christians.

VICTIM 5: And then he would ask me for like a cup of hot Milo or some biscuits and lollies and of course I said yes, and then once we got to his room he started fondling me…

VICTIM 6: The older boys, I think they grew up with that environment, so they thought it was perfectly normal. They would prey on the younger boys.

NICK GRIMM: Tonight's Four Corners examines some of the stories of the children who suffered mental, physical and sexual abuse while living in facilities run by the Salvation Army.

One such victim even admits it was an ordeal that later turned him into a child sexual offender as well.

VICTIM 7: I remember I started enjoying some of the stuff that was happening to me when I was 13. So my mind locked in on 13-year-olds and I couldn't get out of that. To be truthful, I cannot look at a 13 or 14-year-old and not think, I wouldn't mind that.

NICK GRIMM: Some victims have sought redress from the Salvation Army, and a number of financial settlements have been made.

Salvation Army Spokesman John Dalziel denies it's hush money.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2003/s926438...

[Cary L Nickel]

Donating at Christmastime? Where your money goes:

"Salvation Army pays off victim in sex-abuse case.

The Salvation Army has paid half a million dollars to settle a child sex abuse lawsuit with a man who claims he was sexually abused by his Salvation Army swim coach when he was a boy.

Paul Cermak of Port Orchard alleged the abuse began when he was 11 and Robert DeHaan was aquatic director at the Salvation Army's branch in White Center, just south of Seattle.

Cermak and several other alleged victims sued the Salvation Army in 2005, accusing it of being negligent when it hired DeHaan in 1973 and allowed him to continue working there for several years.

"We dispute that the Salvation Army had any prior knowledge that this fellow had any tendencies toward child abuse," Woods said Tuesday.

The Salvation Army admitted no wrongdoing in the settlement, reached in late July.

DeHaan, 59, first registered as a sex offender in King County in 1992, stemming from 1988 convictions in Oregon for sodomy, compelling prostitution, and furnishing alcohol to a minor, according to a records keeper in the detectives unit that handles the county's sex offense cases."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localne...

[Cary L Nickel]

Dana Robertson wrote:

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Where have you ever seen me support child abuse? Send them to prison if they are guilty(See, that is what normal people say). Who's the real deceiver? That's right, Cary.

And here's a few facts that I've gleaned from this very thread on Topix:

Fact: You claim to have been savagely abused by your own father.

Fact: You claim to hate your father to this day.

Fact: You blame your family's religious upbringing for the abuse your father perpetuated upon you.

Fact: You left your lifelong church of over 30 years, and now claim to attend the Salvation Army Church.

Fact: You claim you've never received any counseling for the abuse you received, and the anger that you feel towards your parents, or your former church.

Fact: You now spend abnormal amounts of time seeking ways to discredit your former church, badmouthing your former church at every opportunity, and openly express your hatred and disgust repeatedly on public forum every chance you get.

Fact: You spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on the sex lives of early church leaders who have been dead for a hundred years or more.

Fact: There is documented evidence that children who are abused often become abusers themselves, particularly when they reject counseling.

Fact: There is documented evidence that children who are abused become overly focused upon things of a sexual nature in their later years, particularly if they don't receive counseling.

Fact: There are hundreds, if not thousands, of documented cases of abuse and molestation, from both leaders and members of the Salvation Army Church.

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm only stating facts.

Folks can come up with their own assumptions based upon those facts.

So call me a deceiver if you like, but I will then ask you to present your evidence that I've ever been factually incorrect.

[Dana Robertson]

Poor Cary is pissing his pants this morning. Better order him another truck load of depends.

"Child Abuse Cover-Up Costs Mormon Church $3 Million"

http://www2.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl...

"Today, Scott's mother made a statement describing the Mormon Church as, "sanctuary for pedophiles. The church is so concerned about its public
image," Sandra Scott charged, "that it hide the truth from me that it had recycled a known pedophile into a position of authority in the church where he had unlimited access to young children." Scott's legal team hailed the
settlement as, "the first big step for one victim in the long struggle to expose the Mormon Church's epidemic pattern of providing a safe and secret
haven for child molesters."
"Scott is one of 21 victims of High Priest Franklin Curtis who abused boys in Portland, Oregon, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and Sheridan, Wyoming. Curtis, who was convicted of molesting Scott, has since
died."

How long will this continue?

[Dana Robertson]

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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And here's a few facts that I've gleaned from this very thread on Topix:
Fact: You claim to have been savagely abused by your own father.
Fact: You claim to hate your father to this day.
Fact: You blame your family's religious upbringing for the abuse your father perpetuated upon you.
Fact: You left your lifelong church of over 30 years, and now claim to attend the Salvation Army Church.
Fact: You claim you've never received any counseling for the abuse you received, and the anger that you feel towards your parents, or your former church.
Fact: You now spend abnormal amounts of time seeking ways to discredit your former church, badmouthing your former church at every opportunity, and openly express your hatred and disgust repeatedly on public forum every chance you get.

First lie. I spend very little time here. If the amount of time I spend here is abnormal, than yours is also.

Fact: You spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on the sex lives of early church leaders who have been dead for a hundred years or more.

Fact, you think there is nothing wrong with your prophet being a child molester and a male whore. You sing songs of praise to the pig. Now that's abnormal.

Fact: There is documented evidence that children who are abused often become abusers themselves, particularly when they reject counseling.

Are you suggesting that I'm an abuser because of statistics? I guess you don't care if you bear false witness, a common tactic among Mormons to try to discredit the church's critics. When you don't have facts, you just go to the cheap shots.

Fact: There is documented evidence that children who are abused become overly focused upon things of a sexual nature in their later years, particularly if they don't receive counseling.

This would also explain Smith's actions, wouldn't it?

Fact: There are hundreds, if not thousands, of documented cases of abuse and molestation, from both leaders and members of the Salvation Army Church.

Fact: That is an out and out lie. All you have given is a hand full of cases, and I have matched you case by case with LDS offenses. I also don't make excuses, unlike you.

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm only stating facts.

Yes you are. You are clearly insinuating I'm a child abuser just based on the fact I'm reporting the obscene character of people you put the hope of your salvation in. You want to kill the messenger, or at least discredit me by insinuations. You're a pig, following pigs.

Folks can come up with their own assumptions based upon those facts.
So call me a deceiver if you like, but I will then ask you to present your evidence that I've ever been factually incorrect.

Just did.

[Dana Robertson]

Mormon Church Denies Prior Knowledge of Susan Brock Affair With Teen Boy, Which is a Lie

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/...

"According to court docs, the relationship was uncovered by the victim's girlfriend, who discovered sex-themed text messages between Brock and the victim on the boy's phone. The girl told her parents, who contacted Susan Brock, as well as her county supervisor husband, to tell them they knew of the abuse.

Rather than call the police, Fulton Brock called his bishop at the Mormon Church, to whom Susan Brock admitted having a sexual relationship with the boy.

When the boy's parents were told of the affair, rather than immediately call police, they also contacted their bishop in the Mormon Church.

As the father of the victim later told police, after meeting with Church leaders, he was "under the impression" cops would be called. But they weren't -- as the boy's father was waiting for Church leaders to alert authorities of the abuse of his teenage son, he figured he'd just call them on his own.

But that wasn't the first time the Mormon Church learned of suspicions that Brock was abusing the boy.

In October 2009, about a year before Susan Brock's arrest, the Brocks and the victim's parents met with leaders in the Mormon Church. The topic of conversation: suspicions that Susan Brock was having sex with the teenage victim.

If we had suspicions that a middle-aged woman was sleeping with our teenage son, our first call is going to be to police -- not our church. Call us crazy.

Nobody called police, though -- not Fulton Brock, not the boy's parents, and not the Mormon Church.

The abuse of the boy continued for a year before police were notified -- and when police were notified, it wasn't by Mormon Church officials."

[Dana Robertson]

Here the Mormon church covered up murders:

http://4witness.org/mormon/hofmann.php

Lying for the Lord

Hugh Pinnock, a Mormon General Authority as I’ve previously noted, arranged a $185,000 loan at First Interstate Bank for Mark Hofmann to initially purchase the McLellin Collection. The day after the third bomb explosion that injured Mark Hofmann, Elder Pinnock was interviewed about the crimes:

“…Police Detective Don Bell interviewed him at 1:12 in the afternoon on October 17, the day after the bomb exploded in Hofmann’s car.

“Elder Pinnock, this is the deal,” Bell began, notebook in hand.“This is a homicide investigation. Do you know Mr. Hofmann?”

Pinnock paused and reflected a moment.“No I don’t believe I do.””
(The Mormon Murders, pp. 246-247)

This statement by this Mormon General Authority was an absolute lie! When KSL-TV accurately reported that the Mormon Church was involved in arranging document deals and illegal loans, the Mormon Church went ballistic.“The Church is upset because we said they helped arrange a loan. Well ,they did! They say it was an individual, not the Church, but that’s baloney. It may have been an individual who placed the call, but he was a Church official, sitting in his Church office, on Church time, using a Church phone, and he did it for the…benefit of the Church. Nobody else wanted that McLellin Collection except the Church. And the Nova Scotia mission president doesn’t collect documents. He was just a big-bucks guy who said ‘If you need help, I’ll help you out.’ If the Church says they weren’t helping arrange any buyers for anything, how do you explain the fact that the Church volunteered to get an armored car to go down to Texas and pick the Collection up?”(The Mormon Murders, pg. 389)

When current Mormon Prophet, Gordon B. Hinckley, was interviewed by County Prosecuting Attorneys Bob Stott and David Biggs about his multiple dealings with Mark Hofmann, he clearly lied:“Stott and Biggs shifted uneasily in their chairs. Mike George, the investigator from the county attorney’s office who had accompanied Ken Farnsworth on the last interview with Hinckley almost four months before, marveled at how, with time in between to recollect those meetings he still couldn’t remember a thing.

“Was he ever in your office?” Stott asked.“Probably,” said Hinckley.

“Probably!” thought Biggs. Now, he was even forgetting what he had admitted in the press conference.”(The Mormon Murders, pp. 355­-356) When comparing the notes of the investigators of this crime, there is no doubt that Gordon B. Hinckley, now the current Mormon Prophet was lying to them.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when at first we seek to deceive.

[No Surprise]

Dana Robertson wrote:

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Feel free to show us any law that said polygamy or polygyny was legal.

You're not understanding my point of the law. If I walk down a street spitting here and there and a police officer asks me to stop it, I'll ask if spitting is against the law. Lets say he says it isn't. Then I can continue to spit unless a law is passed that forbids spitting in public places. Understand?
Emma knew of smith wanting to marry other wives as early as 1831. Smith told her he had received a revelation to have other wives for the eternities. She didn't like it but she accepted it. She knew of his wives he would marry.
Though Smith kept it a secret from the rest of society except for a few close followers, he knew what he was doing wasn't against the law as long as Emma knew about it. He was committing the act of polygyny, not bigamy. Bigamy is defined as the act of marrying one or more spouses WITHOUT the knowledge of the first spouse. That is how many did it in past centuries. Men would go a hundred or more miles to find work and sometimes to off to war. In either case out of loneliness they would meet and marry another woman without the first wife's knowledge. They might have three or four wives spread out they saw for a bit each year. Thus the law of bigamy came to be which was having a spouse and then marrying another spouse without the first spouses knowledge.
But they didn't have laws for polygyny which Smith was committing. Didn't you ever wonder with all the smith haters in Smith's time never had him arrested for polygyny? Because there wasn't a law against it. Understand?

[No Surprise]

Dana Robertson wrote:

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But it wouldn't have the same emotional impact. I use base words to describe base actions. Then you feel the power of the violation, the filthiness of the act, and can not act like it is just some exoteric exercise, unworthy of being concerned about.

When you use gutter language, the only impact you give is that you're probably not educated enough to use proper English. Gutter/garbage language shouldn't impress anyone with even just a wee bit of intelligence.