Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 336436 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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“Blessed Be”

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#274650 Jan 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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Ocean's post are useless except to make teen girls fear motherhood at any point in their lives.
I've seen grown women afraid to have kids due to fearing childbirth, because of idiots who instilled in their minds as teens that women DIE in childbirth.
The hardships listed without the balance of the joys listed is irresponsible. But, leave it to pro-choicer boneheads to just teach doom and gloom, so that if pregnancy happened, by golly there's always ABORTION to avoid those "hardships".
You're all dimwits.
She's listing just the hardships because so many on your side want to pretend there is ONLY joy.

This isn't about abortion, but abstaining from sex. How can there be an abortion if there isn't a pregnancy, Moron?

“Pro-Life”

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#274651 Jan 5, 2013
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You are also clueless about how teenaged girls think. As well as the program I spoke of, which does just that. And the fact that there are high schools that run daycare, with the students taking care of the kids under the teacher's supervision.
Again, this is not about abortion, but giving the girls a reason to abstain from having sex at all. This is a GOOD thing. Something Ocean has been promoting, and you, idiot that you are, keeps arguing with her about it.
No,Ocean has only been "promoting" negativity about prenthood, and that's all.

You don't get a positive from a negative, nit wit.

“Blessed Be”

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#274652 Jan 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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I just realized you made a post about those dolls I asked about in previous question.
Actually, the programs are teaching them about RESPONSIBILITY should they get pregnant, and if they can not handle such a responsibility, they should abstain from having sex at all.
Wrong, the program is to teach them how hard it is, so that they will think twice before risking pregnancy.

And Ocean's point all this time has BEEN for them to abstain from having sex at all, you flipping Idiot.

“Blessed Be”

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#274653 Jan 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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That's interesting.
So it was based on a negative reinforcement of what parenting was and proved that teaching what's NEGATIVE doesn't work to promote a POSITIVE outcome.
Gee, what a surprise.
Teaching negatives will never result in a positive outcome.
PCers here have A LOT to learn about what to teach and how.
No one claimed the dolls worked.

Still, you were wrong, weren't you?

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#274654 Jan 5, 2013
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You are so f*cking clueless, it's not even funny.
So, in your narrow little world there are only two choices, sweaty and dirty, or wearing sexy clothes?
You haven't got the sense the Gods gave a doorknob.
The clueless one is you, the idiot who can't read for comprehension.

He's just saying that when people flirt with each other, usually they put on their best "face", as it were. Not usually done when smelly and shitty looking.

Get a freakin' clue how to understand what you're reading. Your stupidity and ignorant self-righteous indignation about something someone has NOT said is embarrassing to watch.

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#274655 Jan 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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No,Ocean has only been "promoting" negativity about prenthood, and that's all.
You don't get a positive from a negative, nit wit.
No, she's been doing exactly what I said. Just like the school program with the dolls was exactly what I said it was.

And yes, if it makes a teen think twice, and decide not to have sex until they're older, it will be a positive from a negative.

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#274656 Jan 5, 2013
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The clueless one is you, the idiot who can't read for comprehension.
He's just saying that when people flirt with each other, usually they put on their best "face", as it were. Not usually done when smelly and shitty looking.
Get a freakin' clue how to understand what you're reading. Your stupidity and ignorant self-righteous indignation about something someone has NOT said is embarrassing to watch.
No, Moron, that's not what he was saying.

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#274657 Jan 5, 2013
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She's listing just the hardships because so many on your side want to pretend there is ONLY joy.
This isn't about abortion, but abstaining from sex. How can there be an abortion if there isn't a pregnancy, Moron?
You fool. That's what I've promoted here since being here; preventing pregnancy. It's your side that claims it can't be done all the time, when millions of people succeeding at it prove you wrong.

No one claims parenthood is "only" joy. Those claims are being made because of idiots like those on your side claiming that KILLING your unborn child is the answer to everey damned hardship known to man, and every damned problem in the world.

No, Ocean's posts are a stupid result of what began in the posts of the pro-choicers.

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#274658 Jan 5, 2013
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No one claimed the dolls worked.
Still, you were wrong, weren't you?
Only wrong in thinking the program taught through positive, by teaching responsibility.

Not wrong in that teaching through negativity didn't work, dim wit.

Ocean's posts are based on the same negativity as the doll program was, and i already said teaching through negativity will never result in a positive outcome.

NOT WRONG, you were.

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#274659 Jan 5, 2013
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No, she's been doing exactly what I said. Just like the school program with the dolls was exactly what I said it was.
And yes, if it makes a teen think twice, and decide not to have sex until they're older, it will be a positive from a negative.
The program with the dolls didn't work because of what reason? It was teaching the wrong message; how HARD it was to be a parent, just as Ocean's posts do. It resulted in the very opposite of what was intended. it resulted in negatives, the girls though being parents would be easier.

Promoting what's negative never results in a positive. Teaching responsibility, which is a positive, will result in a positive; they'll BE responsible.

It's a very simple formula of life that not one of you understands.

“Blessed Be”

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#274660 Jan 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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You fool. That's what I've promoted here since being here; preventing pregnancy. It's your side that claims it can't be done all the time, when millions of people succeeding at it prove you wrong.
No one claims parenthood is "only" joy. Those claims are being made because of idiots like those on your side claiming that KILLING your unborn child is the answer to everey damned hardship known to man, and every damned problem in the world.
No, Ocean's posts are a stupid result of what began in the posts of the pro-choicers.
This post is complete nonsense. Not one bit of it is true.

“Pro-Life”

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#274661 Jan 5, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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No, Moron, that's not what he was saying.
YES, he was saying that if women wear something "sexy" going out without their men to a store even, that men might flirt with them, where if she was sweaty and wearing baggy clothes after working out or something, the flirting by a man may not happen. This is probably true.

What I don't agree with is the part about the women flirting back. Women can dress sexy just to feel good for themselves, and that has nothing to do with wanting other men to flirt with them. It could even be that she's meeting her own husband for lunch or dinner after stopping to run errands.

I don't agree with what he's saying, but I understood what he was saying, even if he worded himself in a wrong way.

“Blessed Be”

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#274662 Jan 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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Only wrong in thinking the program taught through positive, by teaching responsibility.
Not wrong in that teaching through negativity didn't work, dim wit.
Ocean's posts are based on the same negativity as the doll program was, and i already said teaching through negativity will never result in a positive outcome.
NOT WRONG, you were.
You were wrong in saying it wasn't what I claimed. It was.

Yes, YOU were wrong. I said nothing about the efficiency of the program.

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#274663 Jan 5, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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This post is complete nonsense. Not one bit of it is true.
LOL, right, because a proven liar and bonehead like you said so.

“Blessed Be”

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#274664 Jan 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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The program with the dolls didn't work because of what reason? It was teaching the wrong message; how HARD it was to be a parent, just as Ocean's posts do. It resulted in the very opposite of what was intended. it resulted in negatives, the girls though being parents would be easier.
Promoting what's negative never results in a positive. Teaching responsibility, which is a positive, will result in a positive; they'll BE responsible.
It's a very simple formula of life that not one of you understands.
Liar. That is not the reason it failed. Nothing in that article said, or implied, anything of the kind.

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#274665 Jan 5, 2013
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No, Moron, that's not what he was saying.
IF a woman isn't happy at home and needs some male attention, she won't be looking for it all sweaty and in baggy pants. She WILL dress attractively and wear perfume. He's not wrong about that.

What I don't agree with is if he's saying it about any married woman, including the happily married ones. The happily married ones can dress sexy and not flirt back with any man who flirts with her.

Why are you so incapable of expressing that to him? Because you don't get what he's saying in the first place and got your panties in a wad about it.

“Blessed Be”

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#274667 Jan 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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YES, he was saying that if women wear something "sexy" going out without their men to a store even, that men might flirt with them, where if she was sweaty and wearing baggy clothes after working out or something, the flirting by a man may not happen. This is probably true.
What I don't agree with is the part about the women flirting back. Women can dress sexy just to feel good for themselves, and that has nothing to do with wanting other men to flirt with them. It could even be that she's meeting her own husband for lunch or dinner after stopping to run errands.
I don't agree with what he's saying, but I understood what he was saying, even if he worded himself in a wrong way.
What you said earlier is not what he said.

And so, you don't agree with part of what he said, yet you're not posting to him, are you? Coward.

“Blessed Be”

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#274668 Jan 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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LOL, right, because a proven liar and bonehead like you said so.
You have never proven me a liar, nor has anyone else. Stop trying to change the subject.

“Pro-Life”

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#274669 Jan 5, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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This post is complete nonsense. Not one bit of it is true.
Lily wrote: "You fool. That's what I've promoted here since being here; preventing pregnancy. It's your side that claims it can't be done all the time, when millions of people succeeding at it prove you wrong."

That's very true. No nonsense about it.

Lil Lily wrote: "No one claims parenthood is "only" joy. Those claims are being made because of idiots like those on your side claiming that KILLING your unborn child is the answer to everey damned hardship known to man, and every damned problem in the world."

Again true. You pro-choicers have used every excuse in the book to try to justify killing the human life in utero from a woman already having 15 kids to world population. Including pooping on adoption with horror stories of adopted kids.

Lil Lily wrote: "No, Ocean's posts are a stupid result of what began in the posts of the pro-choicers."

True. It's pro-choicers who post negatives about following through with a pregnancy or raising the child, and the pro-lifers have posted the positives for balance. NOT the other way around as you claimed.

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#274670 Jan 5, 2013
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Liar. That is not the reason it failed. Nothing in that article said, or implied, anything of the kind.
You're the liar, again.

Yes, it did imply and state it outright, you ignorant lying buffoon.

http://center4research.org/medical-care-for-a...

"Perhaps one of the most important findings had to do with the girls’ attitudes toward being a teenage parent. Out of 109 girls in the study, 13 (12%) wanted to be teen parents before they cared for BTIO, and 16 (15%) wanted to be teen parents after they cared for the doll. That’s right, three more girls actually wanted to be a teen parent after having taken care of the doll!"

Another finding was "This means that the girls who “learned the most”(who found the experience to be much harder than they anticipated) were also the most likely to think that a real baby would be easier to care for than the doll was! The researchers attributed this unexpected finding to the tendency of kids this age to think of themselves as invincible or immune to certain kinds of problems that only affect “other people.” It is also possible, though, that since these girls had some experience with real babies, they also knew that real babies provide some positive payback for all the hard work: a human response to being cared for and loved, such as a genuine smile."

As I had said in one of my posts, teens don't think anything negative will happen to them so teaching them through negative reinforcement does NOT work.

Also as I said, it states that this program failed because the negatives being taught about how hard parenting would be BACKFIRED. It did not result in a positive, it resulted in a negative.

"It is also possible, though, that since these girls had some experience with real babies, they also knew that real babies provide some positive payback for all the hard work: a human response to being cared for and loved, such as a genuine smile."

Unfortunately, many girls lacking love at home think that having a baby will give them that unconditional love they crave, and all the negative reinforcement about parenting doesn't do a bit of good to discourage it.

As I have said, there's a way to teach kids and THIS way of negatives about parenting does NOT work.

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