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Expected carbon limits cause concern in Wyoming

There are 14 comments on the Bellingham Herald story from May 31, 2014, titled Expected carbon limits cause concern in Wyoming. In it, Bellingham Herald reports that:

The new rules, which are scheduled to be unveiled Monday by U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Gina McCarthy, have been the subject of considerable debate at energy forums across Wyoming in recent weeks.

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Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#1 May 31, 2014
"....Still he expressed worry over the new rules, pointing to EPA's proposed limits on new coal plants announced last year. Those rules call on making coal-fired facilities essentially as clean as efficient natural gas plants.

The technology for achieving those limits essentially requires carbon capture and sequestration, which is expensive and commercially unproven, Orchard said."

Read more here: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014/05/31/36... ;

During the George W Bush administration, the DOE released a document that put the cost of building several types of generation plants including natural gas, and nuclear. Old coal fired plants were somewhere around $1,000 to 1,500 per KWh of generation to construct. If you're talking a 500MW plant, it would take about 500 to 750 million to build. But, that is "old" technology. The DOE estimate of "clean coal" technology was at $4,000 plus per KWh. Now you're talking about 2 Billion dollars for a 500MW plant. So, is it cheaper in the long run to replace old coal fired plants with distributed grid power storage and use solar and wind to keep the grid "charged" or is it cheaper to spend 2 billion plus on new coal fired plants?

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#2 Jun 14, 2014
If you want to pay lots of money and not get much for it, invest in solar!!
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#3 Jun 14, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
If you want to pay lots of money and not get much for it, invest in solar!!
You got some numbers to prove that "point" Junior? Naw, you don't have any facts, or know anything about solar. It sucks to be you.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#4 Jun 15, 2014
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>You got some numbers to prove that "point" Junior? Naw, you don't have any facts, or know anything about solar. It sucks to be you.
i know enough to know that it sucks, as does the rest of the population.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#5 Jun 15, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>i know enough to know that it sucks, as does the rest of the population.
You know nothing, have no experience in solar and have no legitimate point of view. Solar is here, it is growing and the Utilities are afraid, very afraid. Tesla, or one of the other half dozen battery manufacturers will come up with a home sized battery backup system for solar PV. When that happens the final spin of the Utility death spiral will be complete.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#6 Jun 15, 2014
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text> You know nothing, have no experience in solar and have no legitimate point of view. Solar is here, it is growing and the Utilities are afraid, very afraid. Tesla, or one of the other half dozen battery manufacturers will come up with a home sized battery backup system for solar PV. When that happens the final spin of the Utility death spiral will be complete.
Statistically, nobody is using it. And for good reason.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#7 Jun 15, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
Statistically, nobody is using it. And for good reason.
What statistic would that be P.P.? The one you pull out of your wahzoo? Pathetic, no facts, no knowledge, no sense of responsibility for one's own energy usage. Now there's a zero statistic, nice.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#8 Jun 29, 2014
Solar sucks. Don't use it.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#9 Jun 29, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
Solar sucks. Don't use it.
So, does your uninformed opinion P.P. It sucks to be YOU.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#10 Jun 29, 2014
Solarman wrote:
"....Still he expressed worry over the new rules, pointing to EPA's proposed limits on new coal plants announced last year. Those rules call on making coal-fired facilities essentially as clean as efficient natural gas plants.
The technology for achieving those limits essentially requires carbon capture and sequestration, which is expensive and commercially unproven, Orchard said."
Read more here: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014/05/31/36... ;
During the George W Bush administration, the DOE released a document that put the cost of building several types of generation plants including natural gas, and nuclear. Old coal fired plants were somewhere around $1,000 to 1,500 per KWh of generation to construct. If you're talking a 500MW plant, it would take about 500 to 750 million to build. But, that is "old" technology. The DOE estimate of "clean coal" technology was at $4,000 plus per KWh. Now you're talking about 2 Billion dollars for a 500MW plant. So, is it cheaper in the long run to replace old coal fired plants with distributed grid power storage and use solar and wind to keep the grid "charged" or is it cheaper to spend 2 billion plus on new coal fired plants?
Lies.....
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#11 Jun 29, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
Lies.....
You're the uninformed liar P.P., it sucks to be you.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#12 Jun 29, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
Lies.....
Here P.P. see if you can follow this report from the eia under the DOE:
www.eia.gov/forecasts/capitalcost/pdf/updated...

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#13 Jun 30, 2014
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text> Here P.P. see if you can follow this report from the eia under the DOE:
www.eia.gov/forecasts/capitalcost/pdf/updated...
This one is better:

www.EatACrapSandwich.com

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Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#14 Jun 30, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
This one is better:
www.EatACrapSandwich.com
...
What's a matter P.P., slap your lies around and you get pissy? Any "facts", on solar? Didn't think so, it sucks to be you.

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