Electric car benefits brighten in the...

Electric car benefits brighten in the long run

There are 29 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Oct 15, 2012, titled Electric car benefits brighten in the long run. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

In September 2011, my wife Diane and I installed a new, 1.8 kilowatt hour photovoltaic array on our garage roof.

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“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

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#1 Oct 16, 2012
Cool stuff!

Thanks for the update Wayne!
Jim Jensen

Miami, FL

#2 Oct 16, 2012
The Chevy Volt, the plug-in car that has been plagued by sluggish sales and mounting losses since General Motors rolled it out in 2010, has one deep-pocketed customer: the Pentagon.

The Department of Defense is planning to purchase 1,500 electric cars including Volts as part of its effort to make the military more environmentally friendly. But given the federal government’s bailout of Chevy maker General Motors, President Obama’s praise of the Volt and the car’s long-running problems, the federal purchase is likely to become the latest controversy in the Volt’s short life.

Earlier this week, Reuters reported that GM is losing up to $49,000 on every Volt driven out of the showroom. The report took GM’s huge investment in the pioneering car and divided it by the meager sales to date and concluded that each car costs the company nearly $90,000 – more than double the sticker price.

GM blasted the report, disputing the numbers and insisting that as sales build, the initial costs will be recouped and the cost-per-car will fall.

Those sales will be boosted at taxpayer expense. The Department of Defense began buying Volts this summer as the Marine Corps Air Station in Miramar, Calif., purchased two in July. Another 18 Volts will soon be delivered to Joint Base Andrews in Maryland, where Air Force One is based, according to military magazine Stars and Stripes.

The Obama administration has been among the Volt’s biggest backers with the president vowing to “buy one and drive it myself … five years from now when I’m not president anymore.”
Dan the Man

Chambersburg, PA

#3 Oct 16, 2012
Jim Jensen wrote:
The Chevy Volt, the plug-in car that has been plagued by sluggish sales and mounting losses since General Motors rolled it out in 2010, has one deep-pocketed customer: the Pentagon.
The Department of Defense is planning to purchase 1,500 electric cars including Volts as part of its effort to make the military more environmentally friendly. But given the federal government’s bailout of Chevy maker General Motors, President Obama’s praise of the Volt and the car’s long-running problems, the federal purchase is likely to become the latest controversy in the Volt’s short life.
Earlier this week, Reuters reported that GM is losing up to $49,000 on every Volt driven out of the showroom. The report took GM’s huge investment in the pioneering car and divided it by the meager sales to date and concluded that each car costs the company nearly $90,000 – more than double the sticker price.
GM blasted the report, disputing the numbers and insisting that as sales build, the initial costs will be recouped and the cost-per-car will fall.
Those sales will be boosted at taxpayer expense. The Department of Defense began buying Volts this summer as the Marine Corps Air Station in Miramar, Calif., purchased two in July. Another 18 Volts will soon be delivered to Joint Base Andrews in Maryland, where Air Force One is based, according to military magazine Stars and Stripes.
The Obama administration has been among the Volt’s biggest backers with the president vowing to “buy one and drive it myself … five years from now when I’m not president anymore.”
Commentary courtesy of Fox "news."
Jim Jensen

Miami, FL

#4 Oct 16, 2012
Dan the Man wrote:
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Commentary courtesy of Fox "news."
And?
Jim Jensen

Miami, FL

#5 Oct 16, 2012
Jim Jensen wrote:
the president vowing to “buy one and drive it myself … five years from now when I’m not president anymore.”
I think he could order one now, for delivery late in January 2013.
Dan the Man

Chambersburg, PA

#6 Oct 16, 2012
Jim Jensen wrote:
<quoted text>And?
And so it's a biased partisanship that can safely be ignored by serious people.
Dan the Man

Chambersburg, PA

#7 Oct 16, 2012
Jim Jensen wrote:
<quoted text>I think he could order one now, for delivery late in January 2013.
But then he'd have to let it sit in his garage for four more years. There's no sense in that.
Really

Biglerville, PA

#8 Oct 16, 2012
when I need to replace my work vehicle in a couple of years I hope I can purchase an electric plug-in that will reliably run 250 miles on a charge. I'm tired of giving $600 a month to oil companies.

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#9 Oct 16, 2012
So does anybody understand that the electricity still has to be produced so it is deferred pollution. Put onto that, that cars such as the Prius,(and most electric cars) have a higher carbon foot print to produce and also recycle. Truth is these care are the bigger polluters.

I wish people would look further into what they are buying.
Allen

Selma, AL

#10 Oct 16, 2012
Yes.....YOU need to.
Allen

Selma, AL

#11 Oct 16, 2012
Really wrote:
when I need to replace my work vehicle in a couple of years I hope I can purchase an electric plug-in that will reliably run 250 miles on a charge. I'm tired of giving $600 a month to oil companies.
Me and you both brother....
cletus

Biglerville, PA

#12 Oct 16, 2012
SissyMan1961 wrote:
So does anybody understand that the electricity still has to be produced so it is deferred pollution. Put onto that, that cars such as the Prius,(and most electric cars) have a higher carbon foot print to produce and also recycle. Truth is these care are the bigger polluters.
I wish people would look further into what they are buying.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079751_i...

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#13 Oct 16, 2012

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

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#14 Oct 17, 2012
SissyMan1961 wrote:
So does anybody understand that the electricity still has to be produced so it is deferred pollution. Put onto that, that cars such as the Prius,(and most electric cars) have a higher carbon foot print to produce and also recycle. Truth is these care are the bigger polluters.
I wish people would look further into what they are buying.
Sounds like your ignoring the reduction of emissions...

I think most E-car drivers are more concerned about the cost of day to day operation, and less concerned about costs of production/recycling...(which the consumer does not pay)

And, I suggest you read the article...

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"In September 2011, my wife Diane and I installed a new, 1.8 kilowatt hour photovoltaic array on our garage roof. Two days later, we purchased a 2012 Chevy Volt.

Since then, almost every time we park it somewhere, someone inevitably stops us and ask us to explain what our car's license plate ("SUN POWR") and plate holder, "Driving on Sunshine," means. We are always happy to explain.

Now that we have just recently completed our first year behind the wheel of this remarkable new technology, we are able to provide you with some real numbers.

Miles driven: 3,200. Electricity used: 800Kwhs. Electricity produced by PV array, more than 2000Kwhs, leaving us with a net surplus of 1,200Kwhs, or enough electricity to have driven an additional 4,800 miles on free sunshine."
Jim Jensen

Miami, FL

#15 Oct 17, 2012
A Talking Horse wrote:
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Sounds like your ignoring the reduction of emissions...
I think most E-car drivers are more concerned about the cost of day to day operation, and less concerned about costs of production/recycling...(which the consumer does not pay)
And, I suggest you read the article...
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"In September 2011, my wife Diane and I installed a new, 1.8 kilowatt hour photovoltaic array on our garage roof. Two days later, we purchased a 2012 Chevy Volt.
Since then, almost every time we park it somewhere, someone inevitably stops us and ask us to explain what our car's license plate ("SUN POWR") and plate holder, "Driving on Sunshine," means. We are always happy to explain.
Now that we have just recently completed our first year behind the wheel of this remarkable new technology, we are able to provide you with some real numbers.
Miles driven: 3,200. Electricity used: 800Kwhs. Electricity produced by PV array, more than 2000Kwhs, leaving us with a net surplus of 1,200Kwhs, or enough electricity to have driven an additional 4,800 miles on free sunshine."
The interesting thing about the internet: It is available for posting to by any and all. The aforementioned article and post could have been posted/written by real people. Or Not.
scooter

United States

#16 Oct 17, 2012
GM loses big money on each volt sold,way to go.

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

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#17 Oct 17, 2012
Jim Jensen wrote:
<quoted text>The interesting thing about the internet: It is available for posting to by any and all. The aforementioned article and post could have been posted/written by real people. Or Not.
Its an editorial in a newspaper.

http://www.publicopiniononline.com/opinion/ci...

And Wayne Mackey is a known real person...this isn't his first LTE.

Just google his name - he is a well known local conservation advocate.

He has posted on TOPIX many times, and I wouldn't be surprised to have him pop up sooner or later for some comments.

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

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#18 Oct 17, 2012
Here's the thing - this is no longer a hypothetical situation.

These cars are out there...I know 2 people who own the Prius.

They couldn't be happier...

As more real life examples start to emerge, you will start to see far greater demand/acceptance of these vehicles.
Dan the Man

Chambersburg, PA

#19 Oct 17, 2012
scooter wrote:
GM loses big money on each volt sold,way to go.
This misleading statement reflects a deep and profound misunderstanding of how the costs for development of new automobiles works.

Let me try to help...

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GM doesn't lose $49,000 on each Chevy Volt

Somebody makes a widget that cost $100,000 to get into production. They sell 10 of them in the first week for a profit of $100 each. Then someone claims, "They're losing $9,900 on each widget!" (because they've made $1,000 and they put $100,000 into development:$99,000 divided by 10 equals $9,900.) That claim is absurd, because they've just starting selling the widget. Whoever says that doesn't know how business works.

As GM says, and I've read, there will be a Volt 2 in a few years. The Volt technology almost certainly will be used in other cars. The Volt has won North American and European Car of the Year awards. It's a success.
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Reuters’ estimate of the current loss per unit for each Volt sold is grossly wrong, in part because the reporters allocated product development costs across the number of Volts sold instead of allocating across the lifetime volume of the program, which is how business operates. The Reuters’ numbers become more wrong with each Volt sold.

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Get that? The investment and innovation costs get spread across the LIFETIME volume of the electric car program. Doing the math based on the number of cars sold in the second year is ridiculously ignorant.
Dan the Man

Chambersburg, PA

#20 Oct 17, 2012
Failure? Hardly. Chevy Volt outsells half of all US cars.

Chevy Volt sales figures this year are higher than roughly half of the 260 or so car models sold in the US.

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Would you have expected the Volt to outsell both the BMW 7-Series and the Mercedes-Benz S Class, Lincoln's large sedan, the MKS, for example--not to mention the mid-size Audi A6? It did.

Then there are the several hybrids it beat, including the Lexus RX 400h and CT 200h, and the Toyota Highlander Hybrid.

Even more impressive, it beat every single hybrid model sold by BMW, Cadillac, Ford, Honda, Kia, GMC, Infiniti, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, and Volkswagen.

The only hybrids it didn't outsell, in fact, were the Toyota Prius, the Toyota Camry Hybrid, and the Hyundai Sonata Hybrid.

For context, we like the data from this past January, when total 2011 sales figures revealed that the Chevy Volt and the Nissan Leaf each sold more units in their first year on the market than did the Toyota Prius hybrid back in 2000, its first year.

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