Cheap green energy: the only way to fight global warming

Jul 22, 2010 Full story: The Daily Star 18

Public skepticism about global warming may be growing, but the scientific consensus is as solid as ever: Man-made climate change is real, and we ignore it at our peril.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#1 Jul 24, 2010
The usual Bjorn Lomborg runaround. He advocates green energy at some 'future' point when miracle upon miracle, without ever having won in the marketplace it will somehow have evolved to be so much cheaper than fossil fuels the world will finally be able to invest in it.

A scam from the first words. Certainly the investment in infrastructure (that he claims precludes doing anything now) is large. But so is the amount of money invested in power plantes EVERY YEAR by 'business as usual'.

And if you put off investing in green energy now, you instead make a huge investment in dirty fossil fuel power plants that will take FOURTY YEARS to be paid off and thus 'lock in' fossil fuel power for another fourty years at which point we will still not have a serious investment in green energy?

Delay is the deadliest form of denial. But he did say one thing that is correct.

"The price of solar energy has been dropping steadily for 30 years by about 50 percent every decade and we could likely accelerate that decline further with sufficiently large investments in research and development."

And solar is the LEAST effective green energy out there so far. Wind is competitive. Geothermal is near competitive. Nuclear is cheaper than coal power. Even with the massive subsidies to the fossil fuel industry.

The FIRST step should be to eliminate those fossil fuel subsidies. They make big enough profits without them. And with a more 'level playing field' investment in green energy will increase over time. The only interference government might make is to assist in loan guarantees to help with the high upfront cost of green energy in comparison to conventional power.
Parorchestia

Auckland, New Zealand

#2 Jul 24, 2010
I agree totally with LessHypeMoreFact. Unless we take active steps to migrate to a more sustainable world we are in for some extremely unpleasant consequences in the not-too-distant- future. I am not a great believer in Cap and Trade ETS schemes, as they are distortionary and too easily rorted. A straight carbon tax on all sources of carbon fuels (and all emissions, too) would have far more effect in promoting efficiency, conservation and sustainable, non-C alternatives. And the ducking and diving by the governments of most countries trying to avoid ETS schemes is very alarming. We need action now along the lines suggested by LessHypeMoreFact. We cannot defer or delay.

Brazil installs cheap solar panels in their homes for lower income families. They are said to be about $1,000 or 1/4 the cost of the more high tech units. We are working on even cheaper models that are integral in roof cladding.

So there are solutions, but we cannot delay.
Glasnos

Fabens, TX

#3 Jul 25, 2010
Yeah ... let's get Spain's expertise ... so we can waste as much as possible for technology that will be obsolete in 5 years.
How about we allow the marketplace to dictate? That seemed to have worked pretty well, before government beaurocracies began meddling with things they know nothing about.
Earthling

Spain

#4 Jul 25, 2010
Parorchestia wrote:
Brazil installs cheap solar panels in their homes for lower income families. They are said to be about $1,000 or 1/4 the cost of the more high tech units. We are working on even cheaper models that are integral in roof cladding.
Lower income Brasilian families either can't afford that price or they live in a high rise apartment, where do they put their solar panels?
Here's a photo of Sau Paulo FYI:
http://www.destination360.com/south-america/b...
A logistical problem or not?
Earthling

Spain

#5 Jul 25, 2010
Glasnos wrote:
Yeah ... let's get Spain's expertise ... so we can waste as much as possible for technology that will be obsolete in 5 years.
You got it in one, learning by the mistakes of others is the best way forward.
Glasnos wrote:
How about we allow the marketplace to dictate? That seemed to have worked pretty well, before government beaurocracies began meddling with things they know nothing about.
Don't hold your breath waiting for common sense to take hold of government, most governments believe it's a nasty disease.
Earthling

Spain

#6 Jul 25, 2010
Oops, post #4, should read Brazilian.
Reminds me of the Duba joke, when he though a brazilian was more than a trillion.

Since: Jul 10

Sperry, IA

#7 Jul 25, 2010
The only way to stop GW is to end Globalization. The more we transport raw resouces and finished products for comsumption the warmer the planet will become. While globalization continues to expand so does the population of the human race...growth and excess comsumption of the rich and poor will destroy life as we live it now.
GEEWIZ

Ashland, KY

#8 Jul 25, 2010
filo wrote:
The only way to stop GW is to end Globalization. The more we transport raw resouces and finished products for comsumption the warmer the planet will become. While globalization continues to expand so does the population of the human race...growth and excess comsumption of the rich and poor will destroy life as we live it now.
What will destroy everything is costly green energy that is not dependable and 2 costly.USE our FOSSIL fuels COAL and oil shale, no sense in letting them lay in the ground its no wonder the economy is in bad shape we invent reasons not 2 use them OPEC is laughing all the way 2 the bank.
White Dude

Charleston, SC

#10 Jul 28, 2010
Build nuclear power plants & produce hydrogen for fuel cells durning off peak load hours! Power for home & cars! I guess that just makes too much sense.
GEEWIZ

Ashland, KY

#11 Jul 28, 2010
White Dude wrote:
Build nuclear power plants & produce hydrogen for fuel cells durning off peak load hours! Power for home & cars! I guess that just makes too much sense.
make some sense a fews plants would be ok if they would stop shutting down good ole coal-fired plants which does not make any sense.
Concerned US Citizens

Denver, CO

#12 Jul 28, 2010
Left-Wing Scientist Jumps Ship: Tells Truth About Global Warming Hoax (watch video)

http://allpainnogain.cfact.org/default.asp
White Guy

Charleston, SC

#13 Jul 28, 2010
GEEWIZ wrote:
<quoted text>make some sense a fews plants would be ok if they would stop shutting down good ole coal-fired plants which does not make any sense.
None of it makes sense. "MAN MADE" global warming is a scam.
neighbour

Okotoks, Canada

#14 Jul 29, 2010
Green energy only makes sense if we do shut down coal plants. Otherwise it's just more overconsumption. It's like trying to avoid bankrupcy by buying stuff you don't need, just because it's on sale.
REDD

North Charleston, SC

#15 Jul 29, 2010
I love to heat my house with wood.I cut wood all summer. I built my own coal-wood fired mini power plant for my home it's great!

Its all green, all natural!
GEEWIZ

Ashland, KY

#16 Jul 30, 2010
neighbour wrote:
Green energy only makes sense if we do shut down coal plants. Otherwise it's just more overconsumption. It's like trying to avoid bankrupcy by buying stuff you don't need, just because it's on sale.
And thats what green energy is bankrupcy.Shutting down coal fired plants that cost hundreds of millions 4 a green joke like solar and wind that costs 2 much is a bad joke on consumers that have 2 pay 4 it.EMISSIONS are in fine shape.
Earthling

Spain

#17 Jul 30, 2010
neighbour wrote:
Green energy only makes sense if we do shut down coal plants.
So shut them all down tomorrow?
neighbour wrote:
Otherwise it's just more overconsumption.
Overconsumption of what?
neighbour wrote:
It's like trying to avoid bankrupcy by buying stuff you don't need, just because it's on sale.
Can you explain that rather odd analogy?
I am CO2

North Charleston, SC

#18 Aug 1, 2010
Why does everyone hate me? Plant's love me.
Curmudgeon

Imboden, AR

#20 Aug 8, 2010
Same half dozen greenies here?

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