Dummerston looking into solar power

Dummerston looking into solar power

There are 123 comments on the The Brattleboro Reformer story from May 6, 2013, titled Dummerston looking into solar power. In it, The Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

Selectboard members this week authorized the Dummerston Energy Committee to research the idea of partnering with a private company to construct a solar array that eventually would be owned by the town.

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You Like Crow

Rochester, NH

#23 May 8, 2013
Baiting people doesn't conceal the fact that you haven't contributed anything meaningful to the conversation. How about you answer this and redeem yourself; Given Germany's dismal failures in the area of converting to "green energy", what if anything is Vermont doing to avoid falling into the same trap?
You like Crow

Rochester, NH

#24 May 8, 2013
German FIT solar power costs about 32 cents American per kilowatt-hour. Likewise in Vermont: FIT solar power is down from 30 cents to 25.7, about five times the average market rate. And while market power rates fluctuate – for better or worse - the Vermont FIT solar power rate, once set, is fixed in contractual stone over the course of the 10 year contract.
http://yesvy.blogspot.com/2013/05/as-germany-...
You like Crow

Rochester, NH

#25 May 8, 2013
The pro-renewables, anti-nuclear policy has had an unexpected effect in both locales: they are more reliant on fossil fuels. Germany has been an acknowledged leader among the “green” nations of Europe. In 2011, Vermont had the nation’s smallest carbon footprint for power generation, thanks largely to its reliance on hydro and Vermont Yankee.

http://yesvy.blogspot.com/2013/05/as-germany-...
You like Crow

Rochester, NH

#26 May 8, 2013
In carbon terms, both have taken a step backwards. According to a February 27 2013 Bloomberg News report, Germany plans to build 6000 new megawatts of coal-fired power generation, a move which will significantly increase their overall carbon footprint. The pragmatic Germans realize they need plentiful, domestic, baseload power capacity to support Europe’s strongest manufacturing economy. Deprived of nuclear power, the German government is turning – back – to coal.

In Vermont, something similar has happened. Vermont Yankee’s contract providing about a third of the state’s electricity expired in March, 2012. Vermont’s reliance on New England grid power jumped about one million megawatt-hours in 2012 over 2011, according to “Vermont Electricity At A Glance,” study I conducted for the Vermont Energy Partnership. That figure equals one-sixth of Vermont’s total electrical load. About three-quarters of the grid’s power is derived from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas.

http://yesvy.blogspot.com/2013/05/as-germany-...
Markiemark

Bennington, VT

#27 May 8, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you so angry at people that are smarter than you?
Are you too lazy to work at it or just hindered by genetics?
Since there are no actual proposals yet, intelligent people realize that it's impossible to the run the numbers.
Since you and your friends are intelligent people, you fail to realize that.
I actually laid out a proposal (unlike you) for a residential system in the other thread but you were too scared or too stupid to analyze it.
You never did the analysis which showed the return on investment. You only showed a link to a company selling solar projects which didn't take into account all of the factors involved in whether it was a good investment.

You didn't do the analysis because you can't. You haven't gotten that far in hs math yet.
Markiemark

Bennington, VT

#28 May 8, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you so angry at people that are smarter than you?
Are you too lazy to work at it or just hindered by genetics?
Since there are no actual proposals yet, intelligent people realize that it's impossible to the run the numbers.
Since you and your friends are intelligent people, you fail to realize that.
I actually laid out a proposal (unlike you) for a residential system in the other thread but you were too scared or too stupid to analyze it.
If the proposal hasn't as yet been made how are you convinced it is a good thing? You are letting your left wing science show again.
flat lander

United States

#29 May 8, 2013
Is this why I hate the world, every one is smarter than me.
You like Crow

Rochester, NH

#30 May 8, 2013
flat lander wrote:
Is this why I hate the world, every one is smarter than me.
Don't you mean "everyone"? Couldn't resist :)
flat lander

United States

#31 May 8, 2013
When plume crazy one is not in the game to win just vent.
I Know More Than You

Tilton, NH

#32 May 8, 2013
Markiemark aka Fox News Idiot wrote:
You never did the analysis which showed the return on investment. You only showed a link to a company selling solar projects which didn't take into account all of the factors involved in whether it was a good investment.
You mean the increase in property taxes you keep mentioning without realizing VT passed a law exempting solar systems <10kw?

Maybe you have some more "factors" you'd like to discuss?

I guess you were too stupid to use the scroll button to find the financial information from the calculator I linked to. Much easier for to just keep doing what comes naturally, ignorance and lying.
I Know More Than You

Tilton, NH

#33 May 8, 2013
Markiemark aka Fox News Idiot wrote:
If the proposal hasn't as yet been made how are you convinced it is a good thing? You are letting your left wing science show again.
Did I say it was automatically a good thing because it involved solar? Looks like you got me confused with the ignorant Teabaggers in this thread.

So you got caught lying again <yawn>
I Know More Than You

Tilton, NH

#34 May 8, 2013
I Am A Moron wrote:
The pro-renewables, anti-nuclear policy has had an unexpected effect in both locales: they are more reliant on fossil fuels.
Looks like someone is too stupid to realize that growth in renewables does not necessarily mean shutting down nukes. Nukes are the low carbon base load power of choice which help enable the growth of renewables.

I've never advocated shutting down nukes and unlike the rest of you ideologues, understand the pros and cons of wind, solar, hydro, etc.

Nice job trying to compare Dummerston to Germany though.
Scotty

Brattleboro, VT

#35 May 8, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like someone is too stupid to realize that growth in renewables does not necessarily mean shutting down nukes. Nukes are the low carbon base load power of choice which help enable the growth of renewables.
I've never advocated shutting down nukes and unlike the rest of you ideologues, understand the pros and cons of wind, solar, hydro, etc.
Nice job trying to compare Dummerston to Germany though.
You have never even hinted at any"cons". What do you think are the cons of wind and solar?
I Know More Than You

Tilton, NH

#36 May 8, 2013
Scotty the Git wrote:
You have never even hinted at any"cons". What do you think are the cons of wind and solar?
Variability/unpredictability, especially at >20% of total capacity.

Without a cheap, easily deployable power storage system (pumped storage and compressed air storage are limited), renewables part of the the total power production mix will be limited for the time being.

I've mentioned this before but apparently your knowledge of power production and distribution is woefully lacking.
You Like Crow

Rochester, NH

#37 May 9, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like someone is too stupid to realize that growth in renewables does not necessarily mean shutting down nukes. Nukes are the low carbon base load power of choice which help enable the growth of renewables.
I've never advocated shutting down nukes and unlike the rest of you ideologues, understand the pros and cons of wind, solar, hydro, etc.
Nice job trying to compare Dummerston to Germany though.
way to miss the point, of course no person with a lick of knowledge on the subject thinks wind and solar are a viable replacement for nuclear power. Solar and wind development in Vermont however has proven to be distructive to the environment, has increased the cost of electricity / doing business in the state and resulted in a net gain in our carbon footprint (yes I understand the fossil fuel emissions aren't actually in our backyard, but we have an increase in demand for it.
Nuclear-News dot Net

United States

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Markiemark

Bennington, VT

#39 May 9, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
Variability/unpredictability, especially at >20% of total capacity.
Without a cheap, easily deployable power storage system (pumped storage and compressed air storage are limited), renewables part of the the total power production mix will be limited for the time being.
I've mentioned this before but apparently your knowledge of power production and distribution is woefully lacking.
I agree with your opinion about wind and solar. But I don't think you ever posted anything like that before. All the posts I've seen from you were die hard supporting of alternative energy.

Why finish off your post with a stupid insulting comment that you have no idea is true. Grow up Evan.
I Know More Than You

Tilton, NH

#40 May 9, 2013
Markiemoron wrote:
I agree with your opinion about wind and solar. But I don't think you ever posted anything like that before. All the posts I've seen from you were die hard supporting of alternative energy.
Liar.

Prove it or zip it.
Markiemoron wrote:
Why finish off your post with a stupid insulting comment that you have no idea is true. Grow up.
Right back at you.
Tom Bodett

Nelson, NH

#41 May 10, 2013
This is the most entertaining and unhelpful comment thread I've come across in awhile. I know very smart people on both sides of debate about how much the taxpayers should be subsidizing the growth of rewable energy development. It's a legitimate difference of opinion and a necessary debate that cannot proceed without mutual respect. Can't we tone it down?
I Know More Than You

Tilton, NH

#42 May 10, 2013
Tom Bodett wrote:
This is the most entertaining and unhelpful comment thread I've come across in awhile. I know very smart people on both sides of debate about how much the taxpayers should be subsidizing the growth of rewable energy development. It's a legitimate difference of opinion and a necessary debate that cannot proceed without mutual respect. Can't we tone it down?
Invite some of those very smart people here so I can actually have someone to have an adult discussion with then.

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