Cook Islands aim for all-green power by 2020

Jul 16, 2011 Full story: TG Daily 56

For small islands, the incentive to end dependence on imported fossil fuels and embrace renewables is powerful.

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Tama

Hamilton, New Zealand

#41 Sep 18, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
"CO2 is not a pollutant. In simple terms, CO2 is plant food. The green world we see around us would disappear if not for atmospheric CO2. These plants largely evolved at a time when the atmospheric CO2 concentration was many times what it is today. Indeed, numerous studies indicate the present biosphere is being invigorated by the human-induced rise of CO2. In and of itself, therefore, the increasing concentration of CO2 does not pose a toxic risk to the planet." - John R. Christy, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Alabama
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In other words, no CO2 = no plant life = no animal life.
I think most people accept this.Plants breath in CO2 and breath out oxygen.The problem comes when people are chopping down all the tress so there are less plants breathing in the CO2,then you have the added CO2 produced by pollution but less trees.
NobodyYouKnow

Orangeville, Canada

#42 Sep 18, 2011
Tama wrote:
<quoted text>
I think most people accept this.
Accept what?

That CO2 cannot be a 'pollutant'? Wrong. Anything CAN and IS a pollutant in a specific context. In this case, as a greenhouse gas causing 'thermal pollution' of the planet.

That CO2 is 'plant food'? Wrong. No plant 'eats' CO2. They do HOUSE the 'chloroplasts' which detoxify CO2 by using solar energy to photochemically break it down into oxygen and Glucose. But the plant does not consume or utilise the CO2 as CO2.
Tama wrote:
<quoted text>
Plants breath in CO2 and breath out oxygen.
Now you have plants 'breathing'?? They do 'respirate' through their stomata (exchange gases) but breathing is a mechanical process of inhaling and exhaling that is totally absent in plants.
Tama wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem comes when people are chopping down all the trees so there are less plants breathing in the CO2,then you have the added CO2 produced by pollution but less trees.
One of the problems is certainly the reduction in mature forest, which buries more stored carbon than grassland, cropland or young forest. Another is the loss of photosynthesis by ocean phytoplankton, which are having trouble due to the warming and acidification of the seas.

The point is really that the whole claim of 'CO2 is vital to life' and 'CO2 is plant food' promoted by Earthling is not so much that it is technically wrong, but that it is IRRELEVANT to the issue of CO2 as a 'thermal pollutant'. Agreed?
Tama

Hamilton, New Zealand

#43 Sep 18, 2011
NobodyYouKnow wrote:
<quoted text>
Accept what?
That CO2 cannot be a 'pollutant'? Wrong. Anything CAN and IS a pollutant in a specific context. In this case, as a greenhouse gas causing 'thermal pollution' of the planet.
That CO2 is 'plant food'? Wrong. No plant 'eats' CO2. They do HOUSE the 'chloroplasts' which detoxify CO2 by using solar energy to photochemically break it down into oxygen and Glucose. But the plant does not consume or utilise the CO2 as CO2.
<quoted text>
Now you have plants 'breathing'?? They do 'respirate' through their stomata (exchange gases) but breathing is a mechanical process of inhaling and exhaling that is totally absent in plants.
<quoted text>
One of the problems is certainly the reduction in mature forest, which buries more stored carbon than grassland, cropland or young forest. Another is the loss of photosynthesis by ocean phytoplankton, which are having trouble due to the warming and acidification of the seas.
The point is really that the whole claim of 'CO2 is vital to life' and 'CO2 is plant food' promoted by Earthling is not so much that it is technically wrong, but that it is IRRELEVANT to the issue of CO2 as a 'thermal pollutant'. Agreed?
This is the problem when people split up a post that they're replying to cos you'd see I dont disagree that CO2 isnt a pollutant.Also dont take 'breathing in and out' literately.
NobodyYouKnow

Orangeville, Canada

#44 Sep 18, 2011
Tama wrote:
<quoted text>This is the problem when people split up a post that they're replying to cos you'd see I dont disagree that CO2 isnt a pollutant.Also dont take 'breathing in and out' literately.
"dont disagree that CO2 isnt" I believe that this is a triple negative. It can be more confusing than replying to separate statements.

But sure. I understand that you were being somehwhat sloppy about your statements but that made it hard to know what 'it' was and what you really were saying. Thanks for clearing that up.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#45 Sep 19, 2011
NobodyYouWantToKnow wrote:
"dont disagree that CO2 isnt" I believe that this is a triple negative.
It isn't even a double negative, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty, apart from some missing apostrophes, the meaning is clear.
NoFactNoHope wrote:
It can be more confusing than replying to separate statements.
From someone as badly schooled in English as you, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty, that's an hilarious comment.
NoFactNoHope wrote:
But sure. I understand that you were being somehwhat sloppy
"Somehwhat sloppy?"
ROFLMAO.
NoFactNoHope wrote:
about your statements but that made it hard to know what 'it' was and what you really were saying.
If you have trouble understanding what someone writes, why bother replying?
NoFactNoHope wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up.
It's high time you cleared up the 'undoubtably fourty, consise, entreprenurial, millenial polination' problem, that's 'eligeable' for the 'pragmatical, indetectable manuderings' of 'guages, Expecially, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#46 Sep 19, 2011
NobodyYouWantToKnow wrote:
That CO2 is 'plant food'? Wrong. No plant 'eats' CO2.
Animals don't 'eat' oxygen either, but we couldn't live without it, could we?
Same goes for plants and CO2, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty.
NoFactNoHope wrote:
They do HOUSE the 'chloroplasts' which detoxify CO2 by using solar energy to photochemically break it down into oxygen and Glucose.
In other words, plants 'process' CO2, the same as we animals process oxygen and convert into CO2.
NoFactNoHope wrote:
But the plant does not consume or utilise the CO2 as CO2.
ROFLMAO at that comment.
NoFactNoHope wrote:
Now you have plants 'breathing'??
Plants 'breathe' by a passive process called respiration.
NoFactNoHope wrote:
They do 'respirate'
Wrong word, again, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty:
respirate
verb Medicine & Biology assist to breathe by means of artificial respiration.
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/respi...
NoFactNoHope wrote:
through their stomata (exchange gases) but breathing is a mechanical process of inhaling and exhaling that is totally absent in plants.
Do plants breathe?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_plants_breathe
Revealing How Plants Breathe
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/88/i44/8844notw4...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#47 Mar 29, 2012
No CO2 = no plant life = no animal life.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#48 Mar 29, 2012
Fossil fuel is green energy, stored sunlight. I don't get this green energy stuff; comic book science.

Energy is energy, every production process has byproducts. By all reasonable measure; carbon dioxide is beneficial.
dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#49 Jun 13, 2013
Yes. CO2: the first link in the food chain, is classified as air pollution by the EPA because of it's status as a GHG. Water vapor is also a by product of burned hydrocarbons and is a powerful GHG so it is reasonable to predict that the EPA will at some point classify Manmade atmospheric H2O (water) as a pollutant. This indeed will be a milestone for at that point CO2 (food) and H2O (water) will officially be "pollution"...accord ing to climate 'science'.
Forecast:
Climate 'science' will declare FOOD (CO2) and WATER (H2O) as pollution.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#50 Jun 13, 2013
kokie is drinking again...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#51 Jun 13, 2013
Tama wrote:
<quoted text>This is the problem when people split up a post that they're replying to cos you'd see I dont disagree that CO2 isnt a pollutant.Also dont take 'breathing in and out' literately.
Do what you take literally with CO2... like a plant.

That should take care of all your negatives.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#52 Jun 13, 2013
Fossil fuel funders must learn that their paid deniers are waste of funds. They spend their time with icon dispensing on topix.

LOL.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#53 Jul 10, 2013
No one has yet been able to debunk the theory that no CO2 = no plant life = no animal life.

LessFact tried, but failed, miserably.
Maynard of Mayport VLG

Norfolk, VA

#54 Jul 10, 2013
So how do you people of the Cook Islands feel about proposed on-shore drilling in Collier County, Florida and plans to build a cruise ship terminal near Mayport Village, FLA!?

Since: Mar 13

Alexandria, VA

#55 Jul 10, 2013
Seems that what the Cook Islanders really want is free energy, paid fr by the folks that fund the UN (read USA).
Dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#56 Jul 12, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
kokie is drinking again...
Second best idea I've heard all day... In addition it is easily the strongest counterpoint to a logical premise put forth all week by those who bestow their faith in a prophetic Carbon Driven Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Climate Disruption.

-koolaid

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