Power from the sun

Power from the sun

There are 32 comments on the Springfield News Leader story from Apr 17, 2011, titled Power from the sun. In it, Springfield News Leader reports that:

Rick Scarlet and Gloria Johnson paid their electric bill last month, just like most people.

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Since: Mar 10

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#1 Apr 17, 2011
I know little about solar panels besides they convert sunlight into energy. But I have watched a few videos of the enormous holding ponds in China, of the waste from producing these solar panels.

Oh well, the toxic waste is over there and we can sleep easy knowing we are saving this side of the earth.
Ortho

United States

#2 Apr 17, 2011
Well, the Chinese could recycle and reprocess the waste byproducts if they were not cutting corners. They are not very concerned about such things in China. Pollution is not a huge concern over there. They just want to make a quick buck and worry about the mess later.

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#3 Apr 17, 2011
If they spent the money to reprocess the waste, then the solar panels would most likely cost a lot more changing the entire game imo.

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#4 Apr 17, 2011
Didn't know how to start a new post, but this had my attention all day. Thought you might enjoy it.

http://vimeo.com/22439234
Solarman

Indio, CA

#5 Apr 17, 2011
Rotrow wrote:
I know little about solar panels besides they convert sunlight into energy. But I have watched a few videos of the enormous holding ponds in China, of the waste from producing these solar panels.
Oh well, the toxic waste is over there and we can sleep easy knowing we are saving this side of the earth.
There are panel manufacturers here in the U.S. that make CIGS panels that use printing technology to create panels. First solar, Global solar, Nano solar are all making CIGs type "utility" solar panels. You've got more toxic waste in the making of Jello. Solar panels can last 40 years or more, once manufactured they replace a fossil fuel power source while the sun shines for years and years. So, you want to what? Do nothing to reduce the daily demand on fossil fuels, perhaps burn more coal? Remember the TVA debaucle when the sludge holding pond for the coal fired plant breached in Tennessee? Is this what you want? Since about 51% of this country's energy is generated by coal, how many of these sludge ponds do you suppose there are? Lead, follow or get out of the way.
Bag of Bones

United States

#6 Apr 18, 2011
Wind and solar energy subsidies are experiencing drastic cutbacks in many European nations and some places in the United states
In a radical change of policy, the Netherlands is reducing its targets for renewable energy and slashing the subsidies for wind and solar power.

It has also given the green light for the country’s first new nuclear power plants in almost 40 years. Why the change? Wind and solar subsidies are too expensive.

Holland thus becomes the first country to abandon the EU-wide target of producing 20 percent of its domestic power from renewables.

Italy’s government passed a decree to stop solar energy and deep cuts in wind energy due to their high costs to consumers and technical problems integrating these sources into the existing infrastructure.

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Lead or follow us - to the government subsidie troff.

“Be green. Help the planet.”

Since: Mar 11

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#7 Apr 18, 2011
I love articles like this because they show the world that sustainable living is a choice and renewable energy works.
Solarman

Indio, CA

#8 Apr 18, 2011
Bag of Bones wrote:
Wind and solar energy subsidies are experiencing drastic cutbacks in many European nations and some places in the United states
In a radical change of policy, the Netherlands is reducing its targets for renewable energy and slashing the subsidies for wind and solar power.
It has also given the green light for the country’s first new nuclear power plants in almost 40 years. Why the change? Wind and solar subsidies are too expensive.
Holland thus becomes the first country to abandon the EU-wide target of producing 20 percent of its domestic power from renewables.
Italy’s government passed a decree to stop solar energy and deep cuts in wind energy due to their high costs to consumers and technical problems integrating these sources into the existing infrastructure.
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Lead or follow us - to the government subsidie troff.
"Government subsidy troff." Great, where does the Government get the money for the "troff"? It's MY money it's YOUR money, claim it or lose it, yeah, Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
Bernard Forand

Cape Coral, FL

#9 Apr 18, 2011
Have come across an interesting development on solar energy, on a commercial scale. One is operational, finally, another one coming to completion and a few more are scheduled for completion
One example; is "NTR Launches Maricopa Solar Plant in Arizona" [Phonix Arizona]Officially opened for service on Jan.25,2010 25 kilowatt 60 38 foot parabolic mirrors focuses sun onto a Stirling engine to produce quality grid electricity. Its success has advanced it to acceptance on the commercial energy companies.1] Imperial Valley project will produce 750 MW. 2] Calico 850 MW Barstow Calif. 3] 27 MW for CPS energies utilities.
They are based in Phoenix Arizona with test sites in New Mexico. LOL What will they stumble across Death Valley!
Bag of Bones

Ozark, MO

#10 Apr 19, 2011
QUOTE: "where does the Government get the money for the "troff"? It's MY money it's YOUR money, claim it or lose it,"
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That's the exact mentality that has this country on the brink of financial bankruptsy.

Indeed it is OUR money. Government's have no money until they tax their citizens. But ( supposedly ) we send them the money to provide certain services that help sustain us - IE: the military to protect us - NOT to throw money at projects that are proven failures.

The free-market place ( capitalism ) can and does provide for new ideas that WORK. My tax dollars should not be spent on YOUR ongoing failed experiments.

When solar, batteries, wind turbines, wave-effect generators, etc. are proven to be cost effective and efficient the world will beat a path to your door and reward you with great wealth. I wish you good luck with that - the world needs that.

But for now - "cost effective and effficient" are the missing components. Sorry.
Bag of Bones

Ozark, MO

#11 Apr 19, 2011
Re-read post #6 above.* Taken from a recent headline.

Many of America's politicians and many of its citizens seem to long to be more like Europe. Not only with their socialist attitudes but also in chasing the so called "green earth" effect.

Well - many countries in europe have "been there - done that" and are now rejecting it. Even as the USA and its current leadership races head-long towards it.

Send in the clowns.
Solarman

Indio, CA

#12 Apr 19, 2011
Bag of Bones wrote:
Re-read post #6 above.* Taken from a recent headline.
Many of America's politicians and many of its citizens seem to long to be more like Europe. Not only with their socialist attitudes but also in chasing the so called "green earth" effect.
Well - many countries in europe have "been there - done that" and are now rejecting it. Even as the USA and its current leadership races head-long towards it.
Send in the clowns.
You're already here, renter.
Bag of Bones

Ozark, MO

#13 Apr 19, 2011
You are so predictable. Attack the messenger when the FACTS are against you.

Have a nice day feeding ----OINK - OINK.
Bag of Bones

Ozark, MO

#14 Apr 19, 2011
"Renter?" - Well, I just OWNED you! LMAO!

Enlighten us bright-eyes. Tell us why companies like APPLE have people standing in line to purchase their NEW products ... while wind - solar - battery companies need government HAND-OUTS to even survive?
Bernard Forand

Cape Coral, FL

#15 Apr 19, 2011
Rotrow wrote:
I know little about solar panels besides they convert sunlight into energy. But I have watched a few videos of the enormous holding ponds in China, of the waste from producing these solar panels.
Oh well, the toxic waste is over there and we can sleep easy knowing we are saving this side of the earth.
Do you think that these ponds are equivalent to the coal ponds, arsenic ponds, of the gold mining on Shoshone livestock grazing land. Nuclear radiation that is now prevalent in every living form of life and increasing with every new exposer, Oil spills in our oceans and on our lands and now run offs from natural gas toxins going into the streams and tributaries, both on the surface and beneath the land, that will serve to sustain our " LOVE CANAL " for us to stroll along its banks with our children and admire the courage of the people that reside there. "OR" perhaps these ponds you are concerned about is something to keep our eye,s on and start to bring regulations that will address the issues of toxic waste from Green energy sources. Like we do with Oil, Coal and Nuclear. Of the two which do you think requires the most immediate attention?
Bag of Bones

Ozark, MO

#16 Apr 19, 2011
"colorful cartoons" = the refuge of those with nothing of substance, or any facts, to contribute.

Here children - have another crayon...
JAXON

Newbern, TN

#17 Apr 19, 2011
Bag of Bones wrote:
"Renter?" - Well, I just OWNED you! LMAO!
Enlighten us bright-eyes. Tell us why companies like APPLE have people standing in line to purchase their NEW products ... while wind - solar - battery companies need government HAND-OUTS to even survive?
Another oil company employee??? Fossil fuel pusher ?? Yep...
Bag of Bones

Ozark, MO

#18 Apr 20, 2011
QUOTE: "Another oil company employee??? Fossil fuel pusher ?? Yep..."
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LMAO!

So - just as I posted previously - attack the messenger when you have no argument based on FACTS - right. Too funny.

You have no answer for my 'APPLE' question - because the truth stings you so harshly.

Solar panels, wind-mills , electric car batteries,
offshore wave-generators, etc. All great ideas - with many flaws.

Cloudy days - no solar, where's my power?
Wind stops blowing - hey, my windmills stoped turning!
Electric cars - over priced, costly replacement batteries, many hours to re-charge.

I would love to see a breakthrough in batteries. A cheap, efficient electric car that can be re-charged as rapidly as I can fill a tank with gasoline. A battery-pack that would last more than a few years and not cost several thousand dollars to replace. I would not only purchase one - I would INVEST in the company(s) that make them.

Most Americans would love to be able to tell those Arabs to eat their sand and shove their oil up their collective azzes! I certainly would.

But we aren't there yet.

So if YOU are a shill for any of these still inefficient and costly programs, I suggest you get off the tax payer supported/government teat and go find some VENTURE CAPITALISTS to invest in your company. Then we will all be happier.

...well maybe you won't.
BruceBigby

United States

#19 Apr 20, 2011
Bag of Bones wrote:
QUOTE: "Another oil company employee??? Fossil fuel pusher ?? Yep..."
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LMAO!
So - just as I posted previously - attack the messenger when you have no argument based on FACTS - right. Too funny.
You have no answer for my 'APPLE' question - because the truth stings you so harshly.
Solar panels, wind-mills , electric car batteries,
offshore wave-generators, etc. All great ideas - with many flaws.
Cloudy days - no solar, where's my power?
Wind stops blowing - hey, my windmills stoped turning!
Electric cars - over priced, costly replacement batteries, many hours to re-charge.
I would love to see a breakthrough in batteries. A cheap, efficient electric car that can be re-charged as rapidly as I can fill a tank with gasoline. A battery-pack that would last more than a few years and not cost several thousand dollars to replace. I would not only purchase one - I would INVEST in the company(s) that make them.
Most Americans would love to be able to tell those Arabs to eat their sand and shove their oil up their collective azzes! I certainly would.
But we aren't there yet.
So if YOU are a shill for any of these still inefficient and costly programs, I suggest you get off the tax payer supported/government teat and go find some VENTURE CAPITALISTS to invest in your company. Then we will all be happier.
...well maybe you won't.
Another fool who wants to stay in the past and keep the oil and coal companies fat and happy.
Solarman

Indio, CA

#21 Apr 20, 2011
Bag of Bones wrote:
"Renter?" - Well, I just OWNED you! LMAO!
Enlighten us bright-eyes. Tell us why companies like APPLE have people standing in line to purchase their NEW products ... while wind - solar - battery companies need government HAND-OUTS to even survive?
You own nothing, renter, not even a cognizant, cohesive thought. You're pathetic. Companies like APPLE are having their products manufactured in other countries, Taiwan and China. Most of the product sold is manufactured by the Foxxconn Technology group a subsidiary of Hon Hai Precission Industry Co. LTD of China. Just like the former laptop giant IBM who needed some cash back in 2002, so they sold their laptop technology to Lenovo the Chinese company that was making the laptops for them anyway. So, counter productive to stand in line to support manufacturing in China, but this is the way it IS. You might want to take a look at the last few energy bills passed by Congress, in 2005 the oil and gas industies got a total of 32 billion dollars of tax incentives, loan guarantees and favorable lease agreements to do business here and in countries that don't like America much. The some of the monies were used to develop foreign oil deposits, the money wasn't even spent in this country. The fossil fuel industry is still getting tax payer money after being in business for about 150 years, so how good is their product? As for your stupid response of "my" failed experiment, what are you talking about? I do not have a "failed" experiment.

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