Solar outfits, utilities tussle

Oct 6, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Courier-Post

Sunlight is free, but if you use it to make electricity your power company wants you to pay.

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Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#1 Oct 6, 2013
"“We want to make sure that as we change the way our system works that all of that is good for all customers,” said Greg Roberts, vice president of pricing and planning at Southern Co. subsidiary Georgia Power. The utility is proposing additional fees for renewable energy users, including one that would add up to about $22 per month for typical home solar systems.""

What NONE of these talking heads say when they mention Solar and raising rates on ratepayers is what does the utility DO with the money they save by not having to: File EIRS, hold public hearings, go to court to defend some project, buy land for the project and install power corridors to bring the power to market. The utility does not address their "avoided costs" with the ratepayers when they blame rate increases on solar PV home and business owners. In California AB327 has passed, when it goes into effect the CPUC will have to weigh in on the amount of the line and maintenance charges to be broken out of the KWh rate. IF the CPUC determines the utility can reduce the Solar PV users net metering account by the amount of the monthly charge, it will just take more electricity to pay the line and maintenance charges. Those who have installed solar PV will still have a net energy account at the end of every year.

Since: Mar 13

Alexandria, VA

#2 Oct 8, 2013
All those savings is why it is only $22 per month and not $25.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#3 Oct 8, 2013
KitemanSA wrote:
All those savings is why it is only $22 per month and not $25.
Another uniformed lie Kiteman. SCE and SDG&E are trying to double dip the ratepayers so they don't have to pay for their poor management decisions that led to the San Onofre Plant shutdown. Any excuse these two utilities can use to increase rates is what they are all about. SCE is notorious for letting maintenance go until there is a catastrophic failure. Line and maintenance costs? Yeah, right.

Since: Mar 13

Alexandria, VA

#4 Oct 8, 2013
Why do you keep implying I am in the military. I don't wear a uniform.

I don't suppose that you are aware of the fact that utilities that are mal-regulated have very high rates, right. Some regulators are silly enough to think that limiting the percentage profit that a utility can make will keep the costs down. Of course, the opposite is true. The utility has to make a certain amount of profit. If they can make that amount with 100M$ gross income at 10% profit, they will need to bring in 200M$ gross income if they are limited to 5%. Check to see how mal-regulated those utilities are.

I suppose I should have put a winky face at the end of my last post to indicate a joke. But the thought was still correct.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#5 Oct 9, 2013
KitemanSA wrote:
Why do you keep implying I am in the military. I don't wear a uniform.
I don't suppose that you are aware of the fact that utilities that are mal-regulated have very high rates, right. Some regulators are silly enough to think that limiting the percentage profit that a utility can make will keep the costs down. Of course, the opposite is true. The utility has to make a certain amount of profit. If they can make that amount with 100M$ gross income at 10% profit, they will need to bring in 200M$ gross income if they are limited to 5%. Check to see how mal-regulated those utilities are.
I suppose I should have put a winky face at the end of my last post to indicate a joke. But the thought was still correct.
"Don't wear a uniform?" Yeah, right, the big floppy shoes, the red nose, the whiney demeanor, that's not just a uniform Kiteman, it is a lifestyle. Christ Kiteman, the mal-regulation, the business model, is the main reason we installed solar PV on our roof in 2005. You seem to like the concept of "fair". Is it "fair" for a utility to claim abandoned costs on a power project and effectively increase the price of electricity to all users, even those who are not in the utility's sphere of influence? That is exactly what SCE and SDG&E are trying to do with the decommissioning of San Onofre. They are on a mission to get the CPUC to raise rates and allow abandoned costs of right at 1.6 billion dollars. The demand for finding an alternative replacement source of power generation for the plant is said to be 2.2GW, that is going to drive the price up for every electric utility in the State.

Since: Mar 13

Alexandria, VA

#6 Oct 9, 2013
hey, it was YOU who said I told a UNIFORMED lie, bozo.
I guess the anti-nukes have screwed another couple million people like they have in Japan. But that is their stock in trade and their method to support their masters, the fossil fuel industry.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#7 Oct 9, 2013
KitemanSA wrote:
hey, it was YOU who said I told a UNIFORMED lie, bozo.
I guess the anti-nukes have screwed another couple million people like they have in Japan. But that is their stock in trade and their method to support their masters, the fossil fuel industry.
Still a lie Kiteman. This is NOTHING like Japan. SCE did this to itself. Poor redesign of SONGS and defective parts. The ratepayers have already paid for that screw up. Now SCE wants abandoned costs above and beyond what they have passed on to the ratepayers since the plant was put online. There will be a CPUC public forum soon to go over what costs SCE thinks it should get. It is looking like somewhere around 1.6 billion more than the 1 billion the ratepayers have already shelled out on every electric bill for decades. No wonder homeowners are putting solar PV on their roofs.

Since: Mar 13

Alexandria, VA

#8 Oct 10, 2013
If you think you can do better than they do, do it yourself. Oh wait, you already think you do it better yourself, except you have to steal subsidized services to keep from going dark in the evenings. Sounds like bad management to me, except you have political patrons that are most willing to make the other ratepayers pay for your mis-management. Oh, wait again, didn't you just gripe about that? Shouldn't you be griping about yourself?
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#9 Oct 10, 2013
KitemanSA wrote:
If you think you can do better than they do, do it yourself. Oh wait, you already think you do it better yourself, except you have to steal subsidized services to keep from going dark in the evenings. Sounds like bad management to me, except you have political patrons that are most willing to make the other ratepayers pay for your mis-management. Oh, wait again, didn't you just gripe about that? Shouldn't you be griping about yourself?
Yeah,right Kiteman. It's not theft but you are a liar and a fool. On your knees BOY, the utility company needs YOUR lip service.

Since: Mar 13

Alexandria, VA

#10 Oct 11, 2013
another witty reply to your nasty hate filled post.

keep on supporting the fossil fuel industry, smog-meister.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#11 Oct 11, 2013
KitemanSA wrote:
another witty reply to your nasty hate filled post.
keep on supporting the fossil fuel industry, smog-meister.
Gee Kiteman, taking a little responsibility on YOURSELF would go a long way in making YOUR world a better place to live. When I installed solar PV on my roof, I stopped "supporting" the fossil fuel industry. I stopped the rate increases born by the ratepayer, when seven figured utility management types fail in their duties. Then true to form they raise rates to correct their screw up. I'm off of that merry-go-round. YOU'RE the one who is whoring for the fossil fuel industry. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

Since: Mar 13

Akron, OH

#12 Oct 14, 2013
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>When I installed solar PV on my roof, I stopped "supporting" the fossil fuel industry.
You know, I think you may be shallow enough to actually believe that. That paragon of leftist "greenness", Robert F Kennedy, actually told the truth on you all though. He let the cat out of the bag when he said "every solar and wind project is actually a natural gas project". So by installing your solar panels you INCREASE to use of natural gas. You support fossil fuels while lying to yourself and others.

Since: Mar 13

Akron, OH

#14 Oct 14, 2013
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, right. All the Kennedy clan knew was how to make bathtub gin and run a speakeasy. You're a internet jerkoff Kiteman. Cyberbater extraordinary. It's "increase 'the' use"... dumbass. Once again you're wrong. The more people who install solar, the less extra infrastructure needs to be built. Unless the natural gas plant is replacing a coal fired plant, the only other time a natural gas plant is built is for peaker plants. Not needed when you install your own peak source of power generation. What is that YOU have DONE to take responsibility for your power usage?
Again you try to fool others while fooling yourself. It is sad.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#15 Oct 15, 2013
KitemanSA wrote:
<quoted text> Again you try to fool others while fooling yourself. It is sad.
What is SAD is your DO NOTHING persona cyberbate.

Since: Mar 13

Burns, WY

#16 Oct 16, 2013
Tag, you are sadder.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#17 Oct 16, 2013
KitemanSA wrote:
Tag, you are sadder.
OCD Cyberbate Troll... proof in 5,4,3...QED

Since: Mar 13

Lehi, UT

#18 Oct 17, 2013
OCD R Thee.

Since: Mar 13

Seattle, WA

#20 Oct 22, 2013
Nothing of value to say? At a loss for thoughtful dialog? How bout just keeping your mouth shut?

Since: Mar 13

Seattle, WA

#22 Oct 26, 2013
Again, ZERO content except nastiness. The true sign of a failed argument, attack the person since you can't attack the argument.

solar-toddler the loser.
sargeent carter

Waynesboro, TN

#23 Oct 26, 2013
KitemanSA wrote:
Again, ZERO content except nastiness. The true sign of a failed argument, attack the person since you can't attack the argument.
solar-toddler the loser.
Trouble being you don't have an argument , just dreaming .

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