Expert: We must act fast on warming

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Droughts, melting ice caps and glaciers, rising sea levels and mass extinctions will all be a reality unless the U.S. and the world cut back on carbon emissions dramatically, said James Hansen, director of ...

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SoE

Sioux Falls, SD

#27717 Jul 7, 2014
I've been following BP's latest retinue of advertisements touting the benefits they provide...
I wonder why they don't include the negative aspects they have caused.(unbiased)???

Since: Aug 11

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#27718 Jul 9, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You have grave misunderstandings, if anybody were too polite to point out you are utterly completely 100% WRONG.
Don't sleep another night without reading what the IPCC is. and does.
IPCC ?? Just another discredited ,biased ,lying money hungry org. no one in their right mind with a spoon full of common sense would believe anything these half baked clowns print ! the more they try to prove ghg's the more they lie and disprove everything they print ! how many time in the last few years has the holy IPCC been caught fudging figures , facts and plain out right lying !
Oh yea I'll believe what the IPCC prints as gospel when pigs fly !!
Like I posted none of you can show an unbiased, reliable , truthful source !

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#27719 Jul 9, 2014
home in lincoln county wrote:
<quoted text> IPCC ?? Just another discredited ,biased ,lying money hungry org. no one in their right mind with a spoon full of common sense would believe anything these half baked clowns print ! the more they try to prove ghg's the more they lie and disprove everything they print ! how many time in the last few years has the holy IPCC been caught fudging figures , facts and plain out right lying !
Oh yea I'll believe what the IPCC prints as gospel when pigs fly !!
Like I posted none of you can show an unbiased, reliable , truthful source !
Don't know what the IPCC is but Rush said they were liars.......

Since: Aug 11

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#27720 Jul 9, 2014
This can't be right Live Science is reporting a huge trove of dinosaur foot prints found in the Denali nat. park in Alaska !! This just can't be right ! This would mean that this area was at one time a tropical rain forest with little to no ice or snow nor under water ! So i guess you all will tell me that man caused globull cooling to kill off the dino's and the rain forest !!!
See warmers natural earth cycles ! You fools can't have it both ways ! No matter how much you try to prove you are right the history of the planet proves you wrong !!
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#27721 Jul 9, 2014
home in lincoln county wrote:
This can't be right Live Science is reporting a huge trove of dinosaur foot prints found in the Denali nat. park in Alaska !! This just can't be right ! This would mean that this area was at one time a tropical rain forest with little to no ice or snow nor under water ! So i guess you all will tell me that man caused globull cooling to kill off the dino's and the rain forest !!!
See warmers natural earth cycles ! You fools can't have it both ways ! No matter how much you try to prove you are right the history of the planet proves you wrong !!
You make yourself ignorant..

"During the Late Cretaceous the global climate was warmer than today's climate. No ice existed at the Poles. Dinosaurs migrated between the Warm Temperate and Cool Temperate Zones as the seasons changed. "

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#27722 Jul 9, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
Not hard to find if you look. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...
Your source is copywritten 2002, the climate's changed and there's more Antarctic ice today than 12 years ago, just as predicted.

Good pick!

Hindsight is always 20-20.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#27723 Jul 9, 2014
home in lincoln county wrote:
This can't be right Live Science is reporting a huge trove of dinosaur foot prints found in the Denali nat. park in Alaska !! This just can't be right ! This would mean that this area was at one time a tropical rain forest with little to no ice or snow nor under water ! So i guess you all will tell me that man caused globull cooling to kill off the dino's and the rain forest !!!
See warmers natural earth cycles ! You fools can't have it both ways ! No matter how much you try to prove you are right the history of the planet proves you wrong !!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/nature/arctic-di...

So the poles did not need to be tropical.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#27724 Jul 9, 2014
home in lincoln county wrote:
See warmers natural earth cycles ! You fools can't have it both ways ! No matter how much you try to prove you are right the history of the planet proves you wrong !!
CO2 is an important heat-trapping gas. Also known as a greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide is produced naturally by respiration and volcanic eruptions. However, human activities, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels, speed up the process of the Earth's atmosphere that usually takes thousands of years. NASA’s records show that in the past three glacial cycles, between 350 to 50 million years ago, the highest average CO2 concentration on the atmosphere is around 300 parts per million. That was also the measurement recorded back in the 1950's. Now, the concentration is increasing rapidly from what is normal to almost 400 part per million. This causes extreme temperature increase, such as the highest recorded just last year. This, in turn, affects the polar areas of the world where large concentrations of ice regulate sea levels and temperature. Since the 1980's, there has been a drastic decline of sea ice. The Arctic sea ice is now declining at a rate of 11.5 percent per decade, from around 7.5 million square kilometers down to 3.61 million square kilometers last year. This explains the flooding in areas where flood was never experienced in decades or centuries. With all the evidences present, there should be no argument regarding the validity of the situation. Add to that the plight of the people who are directly affected by these events.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#27725 Jul 10, 2014
Nobody has ever demonstrated climate change mitigation; that's how you can tell it's a hoax.

We've always adapted to climate change, never mitigated climate change. Adapt or die.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#27726 Jul 10, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Nobody has ever demonstrated climate change mitigation; that's how you can tell it's a hoax.
We've always adapted to climate change, never mitigated climate change. Adapt or die.
Whackadoodle is at it again.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#27727 Jul 10, 2014
kal wrote:
<quoted text>james hansen would rather have people forget that he spearheaded the new ice age scare of the 70's. we should all focus on his newest and better craze of the doom and gloom crowd, of global warming totally caused by man, and only he and a few chosen others can save the planet from ourselves. if and only if we listen only to them. al gores calling for all young people to resort to civil disobedience will not only test homeland secerty, but also test his social brainwashing of our children program. gore expects his gorites to begin terrorizing our towns at his beck and call any moment now. gotta love them planet savers!
Your story has always been inaccurate.

When are you going to apologize?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#27728 Jul 10, 2014
Instead of ad hom insults, can you engage the arguments? The science is far from settled, climate change mitigation is not experimentally verified.
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Whackadoodle is at it again.
Don't you mean wackadoodle?
Whackadoodle
A paranoid conspiracy nut, usually on the right wing of the political spectrum.
Those whackadoodles at the tea party rally were convinced that extending unemployment benefits was a plot perpetrated by the socialist puppetmasters of the U.N.
J Raymond

Wenatchee, WA

#27729 Jul 10, 2014
Global warming is no doubt occuring, but it's causes are still unknown in spite of what a lot of peope would like to believe. There have been past global climate changes in earth's history much more profound than what is happening today. One way to help understand mankind's overall impact on the earth's climate is to compare the amount of energy released by all of mankind compared to energy from the sun. The amount of energy that the sun throws at the earth in an hour or two is equivalent to all of the energy that mankind releases in a year. Without a release of energy, there can be no chemical changes of state of any kind. Wthout the sun, our planet would be nearly dead, with a temperature approaching absolute zero. Thus my conclusion is that mankind's impact is quite small compared to the impact of the natural world upon itself. Add to this the dramatic natural climactic cycles that occur on the earth(20 thousand years ago, Manhattan was covered in ice), man's impact on climate is even less. There are other more problematic issues in my view, including the eventual extinction of many animal species. It is aready happening. Another thing about the issue of global warming - I have yet to hear one blessed thing from the media about any possible possitive benefits related to global warming. With any change, there are always good and bad. The views of the media and many within the scientific community are sadly very one sided.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#27730 Jul 10, 2014
J Raymond wrote:
Global warming is no doubt occuring, but it's causes are still unknown in spite of what a lot of peope would like to believe. There have been past global climate changes in earth's history much more profound than what is happening today. One way to help understand mankind's overall impact on the earth's climate is to compare the amount of energy released by all of mankind compared to energy from the sun. The amount of energy that the sun throws at the earth in an hour or two is equivalent to all of the energy that mankind releases in a year. Without a release of energy, there can be no chemical changes of state of any kind. Wthout the sun, our planet would be nearly dead, with a temperature approaching absolute zero. Thus my conclusion is that mankind's impact is quite small compared to the impact of the natural world upon itself. Add to this the dramatic natural climactic cycles that occur on the earth(20 thousand years ago, Manhattan was covered in ice), man's impact on climate is even less. There are other more problematic issues in my view, including the eventual extinction of many animal species. It is aready happening. Another thing about the issue of global warming - I have yet to hear one blessed thing from the media about any possible possitive benefits related to global warming. With any change, there are always good and bad. The views of the media and many within the scientific community are sadly very one sided.
How dare you think you have a contribution to make here to science progress!

First, you wrote nonsense. Second, if you still think you are the one to correct the centuries old science, do it in proper channels.

Did it occur to you that you are not qualified to dispute science? You did it and failed.

Since: Aug 11

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#27731 Jul 11, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>CO2 is an important heat-trapping gas. Also known as a greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide is produced naturally by respiration and volcanic eruptions. However, human activities, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels, speed up the process of the Earth's atmosphere that usually takes thousands of years. NASA’s records show that in the past three glacial cycles, between 350 to 50 million years ago, the highest average CO2 concentration on the atmosphere is around 300 parts per million. That was also the measurement recorded back in the 1950's. Now, the concentration is increasing rapidly from what is normal to almost 400 part per million. This causes extreme temperature increase, such as the highest recorded just last year. This, in turn, affects the polar areas of the world where large concentrations of ice regulate sea levels and temperature. Since the 1980's, there has been a drastic decline of sea ice. The Arctic sea ice is now declining at a rate of 11.5 percent per decade, from around 7.5 million square kilometers down to 3.61 million square kilometers last year. This explains the flooding in areas where flood was never experienced in decades or centuries. With all the evidences present, there should be no argument regarding the validity of the situation. Add to that the plight of the people who are directly affected by these events.
yes all of these increases are from ghg's that are manmade ! we have all heard this for the last 35 years . yet what long term proof ( say 500 years ) can you or anyone offer to back this up other than rigged computer models which have been proved time and again wrong !!! and who has been effected by these mysterious sea level rises ( what peoples )? floods where ? what news do you watch ?? and just how many reports does it take for warmers to tell the truth about expanding ice packs and not declining ? and by all means please explain how volcano's , sun spots, wave action have no effect on anything ! but everything is man made !!

Since: Aug 11

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#27732 Jul 11, 2014
according to science during the last ice age the ice spread well into what was to become america , well below the great lakes area and was a mile thick in places . so i ask what man made ghg's caused the ice pack to retreat and melt ? come on now iam sure one of you has the answer to this question and you can name the ghg's that were the cause of the largest ice melt know to man !

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#27733 Jul 11, 2014
home in lincoln county wrote:
<quoted text> yes all of these increases are from ghg's that are manmade ! we have all heard this for the last 35 years . yet what long term proof ( say 500 years ) can you or anyone offer to back this up other than rigged computer models which have been proved time and again wrong !!! and who has been effected by these mysterious sea level rises ( what peoples )? floods where ? what news do you watch ?? and just how many reports does it take for warmers to tell the truth about expanding ice packs and not declining ? and by all means please explain how volcano's , sun spots, wave action have no effect on anything ! but everything is man made !!
You are on thin ice once again. Thin sea ice is transient. The total ice volume is decreasing.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-ga...
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/resea...

Since: Aug 11

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#27734 Jul 11, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/nature/arctic-di...
So the poles did not need to be tropical.
You and I both know that at some time in history both poles were tropical as proven many times by rock and soil samples . So was the ice pack at the equator ? maybe higher sea levels ? that can't be right as theres no history of low land flooding no findings of ice packs at the equator . So what man made ghg's caused the the poles to COOL and become ice covered waste lands ? we know it had to be manmade because warmers blame everything on man !!!

Since: Aug 11

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#27735 Jul 11, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You make yourself ignorant..
"During the Late Cretaceous the global climate was warmer than today's climate. No ice existed at the Poles. Dinosaurs migrated between the Warm Temperate and Cool Temperate Zones as the seasons changed. "
ignorant ?? You did not read the sentence i wrote about natural earth cycles ! seasons !!! I thought that was pretty clear , I guess I will have to go into more detail for all of you over edumacated folks out there !

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#27736 Jul 11, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
How dare you think you have a contribution to make here to science progress!
He's not a progressive and we're arguing global warming, not science.

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SpaceBlues wrote:
First, you wrote nonsense.
^^^I'll take into account, S.B. is the subject matter expert when it comes to nonsense.

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SpaceBlues wrote:
Second, if you still think you are the one to correct the centuries old science, do it in proper channels.
There's no consensus on how to mitigate global warming, no species, individual or group has demonstrated the ability to mitigate climate change. Adapt or die; mitigation is for the dodo and other extinct species.

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SpaceBlues wrote:
Did it occur to you that you are not qualified to dispute science? You did it and failed.
^^^This is an ad hom argument, it is irrational to argue the person instead of the issues.

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