The secret, dirty cost of Obama's gre...

The secret, dirty cost of Obama's green power push

There are 29 comments on the The Times-Tribune story from Nov 11, 2013, titled The secret, dirty cost of Obama's green power push. In it, The Times-Tribune reports that:

The hills of southern Iowa bear the scars of America's push for green energy: The brown gashes where rain has washed away the soil.

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whoop-tee-do

Greeley, CO

#24 Nov 13, 2013
Poor Obozo. He's so caught up in liberal dogma he can't even see things that are clear as day and right under his nose. The rape of the land and increased pollution of his "green energy" push is plainly evident. The same is true of the grotesque monster that is ObamaCare. But Odummy can't see it. It follows his pre-conceived notions of Liberal La-La land so he marches blindly ahead, oblivious to the messes he's causing.

The same will be true with Iran. Poor Odumbo is SOOOOO convinced that he can just talk the world into peace due to his liberal eloquence that he will accept ANY result from the talks with Iran.

Evangelicals and liberals are the same: both have nutty dreams of heaven on earth, and both expect them to be realized just by powerful wishing & praying & hoping. Both are morons.
CZars_R_US

Orlando, FL

#25 Nov 13, 2013
whoop-tee-do wrote:
Poor Obozo. He's so caught up in liberal dogma he can't even see things that are clear as day and right under his nose. The rape of the land and increased pollution of his "green energy" push is plainly evident. The same is true of the grotesque monster that is ObamaCare. But Odummy can't see it. It follows his pre-conceived notions of Liberal La-La land so he marches blindly ahead, oblivious to the messes he's causing.
The same will be true with Iran. Poor Odumbo is SOOOOO convinced that he can just talk the world into peace due to his liberal eloquence that he will accept ANY result from the talks with Iran.
Evangelicals and liberals are the same: both have nutty dreams of heaven on earth, and both expect them to be realized just by powerful wishing & praying & hoping. Both are morons.
Not to mention it seems any Green company he invest the nation's money into, winds up going BK after getting the money. Follow the money!!!
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#26 Nov 13, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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"Help the trade imbalance"?
With "free" trade agreements, our politicians and corporations penchant for profit before people, we will NEVER come close to a "balance".
Yes. They are called exports. Without them, you cannot import.
Wall Street Government wrote:
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"NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION"?
Then you give examples of humans consuming corn derived products?
November 08, 2013
Industrial maize production is not fit for human consumption. And I am not sure that the refined products such as starch and high fructose corn syrup should be either. Do you pay attention or just babble?
Wall Street Government wrote:
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Ethanol futures jumped the most in six weeks after outlooks for U.S. corn production and inventories missed analystsí estimates.
Ethanol rose 2.4 percent, the biggest gain since Oct. 3, after the Agriculture Department said corn output will be a record 13.989 billion bushels this year while stockpiles are projected to be 1.887 billion bushels on Aug. 31, 2014.
That's futures trading. Buy on rumor. Sell on news.
Wall Street Government wrote:
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Ethanolís discount to gasoline widened 1.13 cents to 87.94 cents a gallon.
It is cheaper per gallon but that is a faulty comparison. The energy density isn't as great. And it is much more useful as an octane booster, oxygenator. It should not be used as a direct fuel even if it becomes cheaper per therm than gasoline.
Wall Street Government wrote:
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Gasoline for December delivery climbed 5.03 cents, or 2 percent, to $2.5534 a gallon on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The contract covers reformulated gasoline made to be blended with ethanol before delivery to filling stations.
The source of the price increase when ethanol is (according to your prior claim) getting cheaper is undoubtably either greed or the cost of crude oil (which continues to climb in price). Not sure if the previous 'gap' in pricing per gallon was because ethanol was cheaper or crude oil was more expensive.
Wall Street Government wrote:
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So not only are we gouged at the pump when a camel jockey farts but also when Archer-Daniels-Midland decides they need more profit?
That is capitalism. Your only defense it to adapt and use the cheaper option. In some cases, such as with fossil fuel 'addiction' you may have to MAKE those options by political action as they did by the ethanol standard.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#28 Nov 13, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Meaningless noise........Note also that 80% of the corn produced is NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. It goes to industrial use (high glucose corn syrup, corn starch, etc), livestock feed, and ethanol. There is no competition between food and fuel.........
Whoa - back up the truck Mr. Might be a Fact. You're saying if we take the 30% of corn produced for ethanol the cost of corn syrup (look up the uses) stays steady? Now you are either in the ethanol industry or invest in it. Good for you. Where else can you produce a product that takes more energy to produce than it produces, cuts both emissions AND mileage, sell it to people that don't want it, let the government pay you do it and make records profits. Wait, you're a corn farmer. Got it.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#29 Nov 13, 2013
RustyS wrote:
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Whoa - back up the truck Mr. Might be a Fact.
The redneck literature is a bit sparse here. Not much call for it is serious debate.
RustyS wrote:
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You're saying if we take the 30% of corn produced for ethanol the cost of corn syrup (look up the uses) stays steady?
Pay attention, boy. I saaay Pay Attention. They plant more (one of the complaints about ethanol) and as long as supply meets or exceeds demand, yes, the price will be steady. Right now, the price has fallen due to a bumper year. If your complaint was valid, the price would have risen.
RustyS wrote:
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Now you are either in the ethanol industry or invest in it.
Your accusation is without basis. My field is computer tech.
RustyS wrote:
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Where else can you produce a product that takes more energy to produce than it produces, cuts both emissions AND mileage, sell it to people that don't want it, let the government pay you do it and make records profits.
All invalid claims.

The alternative to ethanol as an oxygenate and octane booster would be MTBE which is a total loss in terms of energy. Ethanol, if produced with low till, low pesticide methods (you don't need to make it look good enough to eat) takes about .85 btus of input for every btu of energy. So you get a bonus as WELL as it's use as a fuel additive, and you reduce atmospheric CO2 as well.

The second claim is also total bullshit. Look at the current generation of vehicles, their mileage and their emissions. They are miles ahead of the 'carbon and crud' gasoline engines of the past in both power and fuel mileage. Pull the other one.

If you don't want it, you can pay the price for 'pure gas' and ruin your engine. But we can afford a few smog generators if it turns your crank to have a black exhaust and deteriorating mileage.

The government mandates it but doesn't buy it so that claim is brown and smelly too.

And lastly, who is making all this money?? The farmers are LOSING a few cents per bushel this year due to high supply. Hopefully the next year will be bad so the price rebounds. Farmers certainly aren't raking in profits (and never did if you consider the money their farm represents). Where else can someone with a million dollars in real estate barely make ends meet in a good year?
RustyS wrote:
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Wait, you're a corn farmer. Got it.
More stuff you pulled from your ass. What do they call it..?

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#30 Nov 14, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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More stuff you pulled from your ass. What do they call it..?
You got it, eh, we use the same term - IT

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#31 Nov 15, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Yes. They are called exports. Without them, you cannot import.
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Industrial maize production is not fit for human consumption. And I am not sure that the refined products such as starch and high fructose corn syrup should be either. Do you pay attention or just babble?
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That's futures trading. Buy on rumor. Sell on news.
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It is cheaper per gallon but that is a faulty comparison. The energy density isn't as great. And it is much more useful as an octane booster, oxygenator. It should not be used as a direct fuel even if it becomes cheaper per therm than gasoline.
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The source of the price increase when ethanol is (according to your prior claim) getting cheaper is undoubtably either greed or the cost of crude oil (which continues to climb in price). Not sure if the previous 'gap' in pricing per gallon was because ethanol was cheaper or crude oil was more expensive.
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That is capitalism. Your only defense it to adapt and use the cheaper option. In some cases, such as with fossil fuel 'addiction' you may have to MAKE those options by political action as they did by the ethanol standard.
You can't have exports without imports? You're an idiot.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#32 Nov 15, 2013
mjjcpa wrote:
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You can't have exports without imports? You're an idiot.
Fine. Tell me how you intend to pay for those imports if you never sell anything to the country exporting them or to one of it's trade partners. DUuuuhhh.. Economics 101, but of course, you dreamed your want through school and are totally innumerate.
drinK the Hive

Brooklyn, NY

#33 Nov 15, 2013
I Blame Mysticism And Nancy Pelosi...

http://www.freakingnews.com/Nancy-Pelosi-Pict...

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