The secret, dirty cost of Obama's green power push

Nov 11, 2013 Full story: The Times-Tribune 29

The hills of southern Iowa bear the scars of America's push for green energy: The brown gashes where rain has washed away the soil.

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Obama On NWO Currency

Baldwin Park, CA

#1 Nov 12, 2013
Why is Obama on a future 50 dollar British Federation Bill in the remake of Total Recall? He could have objected to it and had them remove it.

Take a good long look at that currency note.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum1/index.php...

That tells you who will be running the New World Order -namely London Banks with an enslaved China under their control. And guess who undermines and destroys America to make it all possible?

Obama is the George Washington of a global Nazi banking New World Order in the movie -and possibly real life if Americans don't wake up and defend America right away.

The man is just a disgusting manchurian candidate/traitor for offshore London/EU banks who is being directed to sell off all of America's assets to China. The man needs to be impeached -the smug bastard enjoys wrecking this country every way he can you can tell.

And he probably will get his face on that new NWO currency if we citizens allow America to be destroyed.



http://i.imgur.com/7ErG1.png

Impeach Obama through the courts (the right way)-there are plenty of impeachable offenses his administration has commited.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#2 Nov 12, 2013
With the Iowa political caucuses on the horizon in 2007, presidential candidate Barack Obama made homegrown corn a centerpiece of his plan to slow global warming.

And when President George W. Bush signed a law that year requiring oil companies to add billions of gallons of ethanol to their gasoline each year, Bush predicted it would make the country "stronger, cleaner and more secure."

Human food sources shouldn't be used as fuel for vehicles.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#3 Nov 12, 2013
July 13, 2008

Biofuels as currently rendered in the U.S. are doing great things for some farmers and for agricultural giants like Archer Daniels Midland and Cargill, but little for the environment.

Corn requires large doses of herbicide and nitrogen fertilizer and can cause more soil erosion than any other crop. And producing corn ethanol consumes just about as much fossil fuel as the ethanol itself replaces.

The grain it takes to fill an SUV tank with ethanol could feed a person for a year. Harvests are being plucked to fuel our cars instead of ourselves.

Barack Obama, for example, is a senator from Illinois, where Archer Daniels Midland, the leading producer of ethanol, is a major political force. ADM has spent years lobbying for ethanol, and it's paid off with politicians like Obama.

"Since entering the Senate in 2005," reported the Washington Post, "Obama has been a staunch supporter of ethanol -- he justified his vote for the Bush administration's 2005 energy bill, which was favorable to the oil industry, on the grounds that it also contained subsidies for ethanol and other forms of alternative energy, and he has sought earmarks for research projects on ethanol and other biofuels in his home state of Illinois, the second-highest corn-producing state after Iowa."

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Jim Shortz

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Nov 12, 2013
obama hussein, you are such a clown
John Obama

Hanoi, Vietnam

#6 Nov 12, 2013
don't know & don"t care!!!!!!!!!!;-000

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#7 Nov 12, 2013
The corn ethanol industry is the perfect government program. They can sell their product for far less than it costs to produce, to someone who doesn't really want it, and still make record profits.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#8 Nov 12, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
Human food sources shouldn't be used as fuel for vehicles.
Meaningless noise. America EXPORTS 20% of it's crop to help the trade imbalance, regardless. And this year, with a bumper crop, if they didn't use if for energy, the price to farmers would be total disaster. Even with demand from ethanol producers the price of corn is lower than the average cost to produce!

Note also that 80% of the corn produced is NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. It goes to industrial use (high glucose corn syrup, corn starch, etc), livestock feed, and ethanol. There is no competition between food and fuel.

Not also that if we reduce our dependence on high fructose corn syrup (a major player in the obesity epidemic) we need ethanol production to 'take up the slack'.
Irascible Infidel

Steamboat Springs, CO

#9 Nov 12, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Meaningless noise. America EXPORTS 20% of it's crop to help the trade imbalance, regardless. And this year, with a bumper crop, if they didn't use if for energy, the price to farmers would be total disaster. Even with demand from ethanol producers the price of corn is lower than the average cost to produce!
Note also that 80% of the corn produced is NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. It goes to industrial use (high glucose corn syrup, corn starch, etc), livestock feed, and ethanol. There is no competition between food and fuel.
Not also that if we reduce our dependence on high fructose corn syrup (a major player in the obesity epidemic) we need ethanol production to 'take up the slack'.
There's options other than ADM & Monsanto's GMO 'corn'.
Wheat and soy being the most obvious, and industrial hemp being the most useful & profitable.
Ethanol ruins engines, and the new 15% isn't approved by the EPA for older engines or any kind of small engines.
radiofreeamerica

Tarpon Springs, FL

#10 Nov 12, 2013
Oh but thats OK.We must support any effort to have "green" energy.It doesn*t matter how much damage to the earth occurs in pursuit of green.The politically correct elites are way too committed to back out now.It doesn*t matter if an asteroid is going to destroy Earth in the year 2036(as some say).It doesn*t matter if oil was discovered in all over Alaska-enough to last a thousand years.It wouldn*t matter because the elite power brokers of the world-like al gore,soros,etc.-have already invested too much into the art of fooling us little people so that they can get richer and richer.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#11 Nov 12, 2013
Irascible Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
There's options other than ADM & Monsanto's GMO 'corn'.
As I said, most countries produce fuel ethanol from sugar cane at a fraction of the cost. This is an issue with trade embargoes that make no sense. Ask the sugar beet farmers about it.
Irascible Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
Wheat and soy being the most obvious, and industrial hemp being the most useful & profitable.
Farmers choose the most profitable crop for the expected climate and soil conditions. It is not that flexible. And we need more VEGETABLES, not starches.
Irascible Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
Ethanol ruins engines..
On the contrary. It allows them to burn MUCH cleaner, reduces emissions and prevents buildup of deposits that would otherwise turn them into 'smog machines'. We could not have built the latest generation of high mileage vehicles with the old gasoline.
Irascible Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
the new 15% isn't approved by the EPA for older engines or any kind of small engines.
I would agree. For these small markets, a gasoline can be refined (at extra cost, of course) to meet the requirements. We already make 90 and 100 octane aviation fuel for light aircraft which could be used.Of course, the extra energy and refining needed will be a slight penalty to the user.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#12 Nov 12, 2013
radiofreeamerica wrote:
Oh but thats OK.We must support any effort to have "green" energy.It doesn*t matter how much damage to the earth occurs in pursuit of green.
Are you people insane? Of course, we want to pick up green energy that makes SENSE to adopt, while at the same time reducing the problems of the 'status quo'. Wind power for example beats coal power. Ethanol beats MTBE (which they never want to discuss because it is hard to defend using a toxic, polluting and hazardous material like that, so they avoid the 'alternative' discussion)
radiofreeamerica wrote:
The politically correct elites are way too committed to back out now.It doesn*t matter if an asteroid is going to destroy Earth in the year 2036(as some say).
If that happens it won't matter if we use ethanol or not. But I am not betting anything on it, or I would be demanding a massive program to build an 'asteroid deflection' program. Just like we need a global warming moderation program for a disaster that is coming and is a lot more certain than an asteroid strike.

Are you nuts by the way? You sure sound like it.
radiofreeamerica wrote:
It doesn*t matter if oil was discovered in all over Alaska-enough to last a thousand years.
No. That would matter a lot if only to reduce the number of 'high pollution' sources such as heavy oil and high sulfur coal that we are using in our desperation to keep fossil fuels alive. The cost would go down (extraction would be a LOT easier) and so the pollution associated. It would also give the US a reliable domestic source of oil which it doesn't have yet. Of course, this is a flight of fantasy, no major oil discoveries have been made in ANY of the expected geology. They have mostly lost their oil even when anticlines are present, such as in the ANWR or the fields to the west of Prudhoe Bay. So let's get back to reality, ok?
radiofreeamerica wrote:
It wouldn*t matter because the elite power brokers of the world-like al gore,soros,etc.-have already invested too much into the art of fooling us little people so that they can get richer and richer.
The rich are always working to enrich themselves. Do you think the head of Exxon is concerned for YOU? They produce the materials of civilization as a necessary 'byproduct' of their programs. But like monopoly, the control and power gets more and more concentrated as a small 'edge' builds up into totalitarian power. That is the biggest danger today.
JimmyPo

Newberg, OR

#13 Nov 12, 2013
The Democrats Jackass wrote:
Obama the liar.
.
That's how I will remember him forever.
.
Obama the LIAR.
Great insight in response to the topic. Typical Republican hatred. OP is hilarious with references to Nazi's etc. That FOX "NEWS" and their quality reporting clearly shows. Drilling continuously is not the answer, there is a limit to fossil fuels that Republicans seem to deny. It is a reality. It isn't perfect, but at least the green power push has sustainable energy in the long-term.
IgnoraumsStupidi cusObamus

Covina, CA

#14 Nov 12, 2013
JimmyPo wrote:
<quoted text>
Great insight in response to the topic. Typical Republican hatred. OP is hilarious with references to Nazi's etc. That FOX "NEWS" and their quality reporting clearly shows. Drilling continuously is not the answer, there is a limit to fossil fuels that Republicans seem to deny. It is a reality. It isn't perfect, but at least the green power push has sustainable energy in the long-term.
Rpublicans and Dems suck equally. But you need to brush up on your history pal.

Obama is not as bad as Hitler ...yet. But give this moronic textbook puppet dictator and his Nazi handlers some more time and power and they won't disappoint.

America is being soft killed/genocided with cancerous GMO's and vaccines as well as chemicals being spayed on us you read this. It's a sneaky new low for even these creatures ...WAKE UP!!!

History will prove how insidious this soft kill of America was when everyone here suddenly ends up with cancer for "unknown" reasons. This is a silent genocide -of course we didn't expect it but at least we should know about it by now! We are being murdered slowly without any violence being necessary.

People assume Nazis were right wing conservatives. The media bashes Libertarians every day with this kind of stuff.

Not true, the Nazi party -National Socialist German Workers' Party- were radical leftist socialists engaging in eugenics like the corrupt criminals we have running the foreign banker owned federal government today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eugeni...

They believed anyone that was not genetic perfection should be terminated. If you were old, had medical problems, or were a little slow at childhood you were not fit to live or get any medical help when needed. And yes,they had end of life death pannels for elderly and many others.

That sounds like Obamacare to me.

Ask Canadians or Brits how they like their radical socialist health care. That's why they often came to the US for medical treatments.
bubblegum casting

San Diego, CA

#15 Nov 12, 2013
wtf is going on
Irascible Infidel

Steamboat Springs, CO

#16 Nov 12, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
As I said, most countries produce fuel ethanol from sugar cane at a fraction of the cost. This is an issue with trade embargoes that make no sense. Ask the sugar beet farmers about it.
<quoted text>
Farmers choose the most profitable crop for the expected climate and soil conditions. It is not that flexible. And we need more VEGETABLES, not starches.
<quoted text>
On the contrary. It allows them to burn MUCH cleaner, reduces emissions and prevents buildup of deposits that would otherwise turn them into 'smog machines'. We could not have built the latest generation of high mileage vehicles with the old gasoline.
<quoted text>
I would agree. For these small markets, a gasoline can be refined (at extra cost, of course) to meet the requirements. We already make 90 and 100 octane aviation fuel for light aircraft which could be used.Of course, the extra energy and refining needed will be a slight penalty to the user.
Some good points, but without spending the time to source everything, I'd point out that it's 90+% of the mega farms growing this non-food, non-germinating 'corn'.(Hardly a good source for ethanol, agreed) The fertilizers & pesticides required to grow it are their own enviromental (and very profitable) nightmare.
Agree we need more veggies, but do also consider industrial hemp. We used to run the country on it.
While Ethanol gas burns cleaner, the wear on engines is well documented, thus the EPA's banning the 15% in small engine applications. Brass and rubber are the parts taking most of the abuse through drying & corrosion.
In WY we can still get 'regular' non-ethanol gas,(10-20 cents/gal cheaper) the '96 Saturn gets 43mpg & the '96 LandCruiser 18mpg regardless of what's in the tank, I've done many a tank by tank comparison driving between there and CO. Hardly scientific, I know, but its a real-world example.

And the snowmobiles do love some 114 av-gas....;)
Lamer

Piqua, OH

#17 Nov 12, 2013
the article calls out Obama in the title but the whole thing is about Bush and his ethanol mandate for gasoline.

Pretty sure we know which way the website this article came from slants...

...and the rest of you retards calling out obama without even reading the article...

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#18 Nov 12, 2013
Lamer wrote:
the article calls out Obama in the title but the whole thing is about Bush and his ethanol mandate for gasoline.
Pretty sure we know which way the website this article came from slants...
...and the rest of you retards calling out obama without even reading the article...
Bush is still calling the shots??? You'd think Obama could change it, I mean if he wanted to.
radiofreeamerica

Tarpon Springs, FL

#19 Nov 12, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you people insane? Of course, we want to pick up green energy that makes SENSE to adopt, while at the same time reducing the problems of the 'status quo'. Wind power for example beats coal power. Ethanol beats MTBE (which they never want to discuss because it is hard to defend using a toxic, polluting and hazardous material like that, so they avoid the 'alternative' discussion)
<quoted text>
If that happens it won't matter if we use ethanol or not. But I am not betting anything on it, or I would be demanding a massive program to build an 'asteroid deflection' program. Just like we need a global warming moderation program for a disaster that is coming and is a lot more certain than an asteroid strike.
Are you nuts by the way? You sure sound like it.
<quoted text>
No. That would matter a lot if only to reduce the number of 'high pollution' sources such as heavy oil and high sulfur coal that we are using in our desperation to keep fossil fuels alive. The cost would go down (extraction would be a LOT easier) and so the pollution associated. It would also give the US a reliable domestic source of oil which it doesn't have yet. Of course, this is a flight of fantasy, no major oil discoveries have been made in ANY of the expected geology. They have mostly lost their oil even when anticlines are present, such as in the ANWR or the fields to the west of Prudhoe Bay. So let's get back to reality, ok?
<quoted text>
The rich are always working to enrich themselves. Do you think the head of Exxon is concerned for YOU? They produce the materials of civilization as a necessary 'byproduct' of their programs. But like monopoly, the control and power gets more and more concentrated as a small 'edge' builds up into totalitarian power. That is the biggest danger today.
You ask if I*m nuts because I sure "sound like it"?Are you reading my post or hearing my voice?And you think we are insane?Well,take a look at the judgements on top of my post-one"interesting ";one "brilliant";and one "agree".I*m not alone in my opinions.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#21 Nov 12, 2013
[QUOTE who="can't see the light "]Hitler at least cared about his Country and the people. Can't say that about Obama.[/QUOTE]

Hitler better than Pres. Obama........

"can't see the light" can't see its racism, despite the worrisome depth of his hate, bigotry, & intolerance.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#22 Nov 13, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Meaningless noise. America EXPORTS 20% of it's crop to help the trade imbalance, regardless. And this year, with a bumper crop, if they didn't use if for energy, the price to farmers would be total disaster. Even with demand from ethanol producers the price of corn is lower than the average cost to produce!
Note also that 80% of the corn produced is NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. It goes to industrial use (high glucose corn syrup, corn starch, etc), livestock feed, and ethanol. There is no competition between food and fuel.
Not also that if we reduce our dependence on high fructose corn syrup (a major player in the obesity epidemic) we need ethanol production to 'take up the slack'.
"Help the trade imbalance"?

With "free" trade agreements, our politicians and corporations penchant for profit before people, we will NEVER come close to a "balance".

"NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION"?

Then you give examples of humans consuming corn derived products?

November 08, 2013

Ethanol futures jumped the most in six weeks after outlooks for U.S. corn production and inventories missed analystsí estimates.

Ethanol rose 2.4 percent, the biggest gain since Oct. 3, after the Agriculture Department said corn output will be a record 13.989 billion bushels this year while stockpiles are projected to be 1.887 billion bushels on Aug. 31, 2014.

Ethanolís discount to gasoline widened 1.13 cents to 87.94 cents a gallon.

Gasoline for December delivery climbed 5.03 cents, or 2 percent, to $2.5534 a gallon on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The contract covers reformulated gasoline made to be blended with ethanol before delivery to filling stations.

So not only are we gouged at the pump when a camel jockey farts but also when Archer-Daniels-Midland decides they need more profit?

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