A fight over net-metering policy in the Grand Canyon State reveals some rifts among conservatives.

Jul 11, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Mother Jones

The name Barry Goldwater is practically synonymous with conservatism in America.

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Solarman

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Jul 11, 2013
 
Some interesting points Kate. This guy from APS McDonald has gone on record saying that people with solar PV on their roofs will cost the rest of the ratepayers $1,000 more a year. He didn't say how he got these numbers. Since it has been stated here that there are 18,000 solar PV users at this time. How does McDonald's math figure that 18,000 people on solar PV are going to cost one million plus customers $1,000 more a year? This in light of McDonald's own statement:"McDonald said net metering has "zero impact" on the utility's profit margins right now—but it could down the line. "Eventually would it become a business issue? It probably would," he said."
Even David Crane, CEO of NRG energy sees the centralized power generation and distribution model as last century. He may be the only one that sees the business model for power production and distribution changing. When that day comes, guys like McDonald will be run over and relegated as so much road kill.

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Solarman wrote:
Since it has been stated here that there are 18,000 solar PV users at this time. How does McDonald's math figure that 18,000 people on solar PV are going to cost one million plus customers $1,000 more a year?
18,000PV x $1,000/PV / 1,000,000 Other =$18/Other. Simple. Right now the 18,000 PVers are stealing (cumulatively)$18 from each of the million other customers. If the number of PVers goes up, the amount stolen from each of the others will also go up.

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APS' proposal to par PVers wholesale prices for their excess energy makes sense. After all, that is what they can get it for from elsewhere in a free market.

I suspect Barry Sr is spinning in his grave over what Jr is doing.
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Jul 13, 2013
 
KitemanSA wrote:
<quoted text> 18,000PV x $1,000/PV / 1,000,000 Other =$18/Other. Simple. Right now the 18,000 PVers are stealing (cumulatively)$18 from each of the million other customers. If the number of PVers goes up, the amount stolen from each of the others will also go up.
Yeah, right. So you can spin the math that McDonald didn't provide, big deal. So when did six figure salaried McDonald become your pimp? McDonald was quoted as saying that it would cost each non solar PV user $1,000 a year. All you're DOING is supporting a big lie with your little ones. You have NEVER answered the question, What have YOU DONE to take responsibility for your energy usage? Indeed, Barry is rolling over in his grave.

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<quoted text>Yeah, right. So you can spin the math that McDonald didn't provide, big deal. So when did six figure salaried McDonald become your pimp? McDonald was quoted as saying that it would cost each non solar PV user $1,000 a year.
Seattle Times wrote:
Arizona Public Service, which has 18,000 rooftop solar systems among its 1.1 million electricity customers, estimates solar homes each shift about $1,000 in costs annually to other ratepayers.“This is not a revenue issue. This is not a profitability issue. This is a shifting-of-costs issue,” said John Hatfield, the company’s vice president of communications. The company will submit a proposal in July to the state’s regulator, the Arizona Corporation Commission, to alter the current system.
Well, my source says it my way. Where is your source?
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Well, my source says it my way. Where is your source?
You have no source Kiteman. You didn't answer the question, what have YOU DONE to take responsibility for YOUR energy usage? When did McDonald become your pimp?

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If at first you can't respond
Just gesture to the great beyond
Wave your arms in a great big huff
and sluff it of, sluff it off, sluff it off.
(Sung to the tune of "Vatican Rag, aapologies to Ton Lehrer)

Solarman, Quit lying to the others on this board. I answered your question ages ago. Answer mine... unless of course you have been caught in ANOTHER one of your lies and you CAN'T!
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KitemanSA wrote:
If at first you can't respond
Just gesture to the great beyond
Wave your arms in a great big huff
and sluff it of, sluff it off, sluff it off.
(Sung to the tune of "Vatican Rag, aapologies to Ton Lehrer)
Solarman, Quit lying to the others on this board. I answered your question ages ago. Answer mine... unless of course you have been caught in ANOTHER one of your lies and you CAN'T!
IF YOU'RE not lying, then humor us all and answer the question AGAIN. WHAT are YOU doing or WHAT HAVE YOU DONE to take responsibility for your energy usage? You cherry pick and respond out of context so you don't think you have to answer the questions. You have no proof, you have a link to Wiki (needs certification) that LFTR is the WAY of the future and you cannot and will not answer what it is YOU have DONE to make LFTR a reality for all of us. B.S. not going to get it done "sweetie". Now go back to your pimp for the next round of lies and deceit. We all know now that you can't make a move without McDonald's permission. Is Sorrensen one of your Johns you service regularly?
Go put your clown feet and read nose back on and run amok shouting, thief, thief.

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Ignoring your repeated attempts to dodge the issue, the start of your sidestep shuffle was...
Solarman wrote:
Yeah, right. So you can spin the math that McDonald didn't provide, big deal. So when did six figure salaried McDonald become your pimp? McDonald was quoted as saying that it would cost each non solar PV user $1,000 a year.
Seattle Times wrote:
Arizona Public Service, which has 18,000 rooftop solar systems among its 1.1 million electricity customers, estimates solar homes each shift about $1,000 in costs annually to other ratepayers.“This is not a revenue issue. This is not a profitability issue. This is a shifting-of-costs issue,” said John Hatfield, the company’s vice president of communications. The company will submit a proposal in July to the state’s regulator, the Arizona Corporation Commission, to alter the current system.
Well, my source says it my way. Where is your source?
I repeat, The Seattle Times says it my way, where is your source?
Or are you just going to PROVE you are a liar as well as a thief by side-stepping again?
WHERE IS YOUR SOURCE?
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Ignoring your repeated attempts to dodge the issue, the start of your sidestep shuffle was...
Solarman wrote:
Yeah, right. So you can spin the math that McDonald didn't provide, big deal. So when did six figure salaried McDonald become your pimp? McDonald was quoted as saying that it would cost each non solar PV user $1,000 a year.
Seattle Times wrote:
Arizona Public Service, which has 18,000 rooftop solar systems among its 1.1 million electricity customers, estimates solar homes each shift about $1,000 in costs annually to other ratepayers.“This is not a revenue issue. This is not a profitability issue. This is a shifting-of-costs issue,” said John Hatfield, the company’s vice president of communications. The company will submit a proposal in July to the state’s regulator, the Arizona Corporation Commission, to alter the current system.
Well, my source says it my way. Where is your source?
I repeat, The Seattle Times says it my way, where is your source?
Or are you just going to PROVE you are a liar as well as a thief by side-stepping again?
WHERE IS YOUR SOURCE?
I don't know what to tell you dumbass! All you would have to do is a simple search for APS Jim McDonald and you would have YOUR source. McDonald is more circumspect about the issue. He has said $50.00 to $100.00 a month per customer. This was a release after he tried to explain why people who turned back their thermostats in the winter and summer months, used ceiling fans and energy efficient lighting and changing their energy time of use habits were getting charged more money for electricity. Then APS hired their propaganda specialist from Virginia Sean Noble, perhaps one of YOUR sources? Once again Kiteman you're part of the problem not part of the solution. I have proven you to be a DO NOTHING COMMUNIST. You haven't provided any information as to WHAT HAVE YOU DONE to take responsibility for YOUR energy usage? No shiny web sites, youtube videos, just the crap floating around between your ears. If YOU can't manage that Kiteman, then you are a fool, shill for the utility industry and one of the reasons people in this country can't move forward to other energy options, LIKE LFTR. IF I am a thief then report it and see how that turns out. NAW, that would require YOU to actually DO something. Put your big floppy shoes on, the red nose and run amok shouting thief, thief.

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Don't interpret what you think the source aid, SHOW IT, or at least link to it. Sheesh!
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Don't interpret what you think the source aid, SHOW IT, or at least link to it. Sheesh!
IF you would get off of your entitled ass and do a simple google search for APS McDonald you would find several sources. In YOUR last so called response, you didn't show the link where you did your cut and paste work. Hypocrit. Answer the question Kiteman, WHAT have YOU DONE to take responsibility for your energy usage? No, link required. Perhaps you need mommy's permission?

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Another deflection. I gave not just a link but the actual quote. Till you give EITHER I must assume you are wrong, KNOW you are wrong, and trying like heck to cover it up. At this point you look like both a thief AND a liar.
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Another deflection. I gave not just a link but the actual quote. Till you give EITHER I must assume you are wrong, KNOW you are wrong, and trying like heck to cover it up. At this point you look like both a thief AND a liar.
I can fully agree with you there. You have proven to be an ass and a ume. You need to go to your Wikipedia and look up direction. All YOU have to DO is a search on APS and Jim McDonald, you have the internet in front of you, so stop the troll B.S. and answer the question, What have you done to take responsibility for YOUR energy usage? Deflection, lies and deceit are your troll tactics. Good ol' Sean Noble and the boys from APS will be in town soon. McDonald expects you to service all of them like only YOU can. Big floppy shoes, red nose, crying, thief, liar, thief, liar......

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Solarman wrote:
All YOU have to DO is a search on APS and Jim McDonald,...
Another deflection still. The onus is not on ME to find YOUR source. You referenced him, you provide the quote. And in this case I must assume that the "ASS" here is U not ME.

You referenced him. Put up or shut up.
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<quoted text> Another deflection still. The onus is not on ME to find YOUR source. You referenced him, you provide the quote. And in this case I must assume that the "ASS" here is U not ME.
You referenced him. Put up or shut up.
You may be used to mommy doing YOUR homework for you dumbass, not happening here. Use the search engine or YOU STFU. What have YOU done to take responsibility for YOUR energy use?

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How old are you solar"man"? You act like you are maybe nine.

It should be noted that people often accuse others of doing what they are embarrassed to be doing themselves. Do you have your "mommy" do your research? Is that why you refuse to provide your source? Is it that you don't know how to find it again?
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youtube.com/watch...
whos winning this fight

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I lost by watching the first few seconds of the video.

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