sPower-Operated Solar Facility Comple...

sPower-Operated Solar Facility Completed in California

There are 13 comments on the Utah Business story from Sep 17, 2013, titled sPower-Operated Solar Facility Completed in California. In it, Utah Business reports that:

The cities of Fairfield and Vacaville, Calif., have completed of a 1.1-megawatt solar system operated by Sustainable Power Group , an independent power producer based in Salt Lake City.

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“I won't be your hero.”

Since: Jul 12

Vacaville, CA

#1 Sep 17, 2013
Ironic seeing as California is home to many (bankrupt) green energy companies, we're outsourcing to Utah.

Since: Aug 10

South San Francisco, CA

#2 Sep 17, 2013
These projects are a huge boondoggle and in the long run will not save the cities a dime and more likely will cost more. If these megawatt solar projects were such a money saving venture you would see businesses installing them righ and left and even with huge tax incentives they are not.
Adam Lambert

Vallejo, CA

#3 Sep 17, 2013
Estimated "savings" are touted but not defined: is that net of the cost (purchase & maintenance) of the project? More detail would make for a better story.
Adam Lambert

Vallejo, CA

#4 Sep 17, 2013
My mistake. Article does describe who owns & operates it. Please ignore my above comment.

“I won't be your hero.”

Since: Jul 12

Vacaville, CA

#5 Sep 18, 2013
Birds Landing Bob wrote:
These projects are a huge boondoggle and in the long run will not save the cities a dime and more likely will cost more. If these megawatt solar projects were such a money saving venture you would see businesses installing them righ and left and even with huge tax incentives they are not.
You are partially correct. The solar panels are extremely expensive and the savings being provided by them have yet to offset the costs of owning them. They're just not justifiable yet. Their efficiency degrades the longer they are used and need to be replaced after 10-15 years. But I have seen quite a few businesses installing them just because of the huge tax incentive provided by the government. In Vacaville, Kaiser has them and I've seen businesses put them up in the parking lots to cover the cars, giving them dual purposes.

Since: Aug 10

South San Francisco, CA

#6 Sep 18, 2013
JoshCham wrote:
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You are partially correct. The solar panels are extremely expensive and the savings being provided by them have yet to offset the costs of owning them. They're just not justifiable yet. Their efficiency degrades the longer they are used and need to be replaced after 10-15 years. But I have seen quite a few businesses installing them just because of the huge tax incentive provided by the government. In Vacaville, Kaiser has them and I've seen businesses put them up in the parking lots to cover the cars, giving them dual purposes.
You are correct about the decrease in efficiency with age, I fact they will lose between 15-20% of their generating capacity per year if properly maintained. If they are not properly maintained, cleaned at least biweekly, they will degrade even more rapidly.

Most businesses that have installed solar or wind power systems have done so more for the PR aspect and since the government subsidized their advertising dollars that's a bonus. I stand by my statement that the vast majority of solar projects are government entities, including the quasi government workers comp building.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#7 Sep 20, 2013
JoshCham wrote:
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You are partially correct. The solar panels are extremely expensive and the savings being provided by them have yet to offset the costs of owning them. They're just not justifiable yet. Their efficiency degrades the longer they are used and need to be replaced after 10-15 years. But I have seen quite a few businesses installing them just because of the huge tax incentive provided by the government. In Vacaville, Kaiser has them and I've seen businesses put them up in the parking lots to cover the cars, giving them dual purposes.
Wow, you and Birds Landing Bob are so misinformed it at the very least is bordering on stupidity. In pallet quantities 250 watt panels are selling from just over a dollar per watt to less than a dollar per watt. You can find pricing like this from many sources IE) www.bluepacificsolar.com Replace panels after 10 to 15 years? LOOK at the panel manufacturers warranty and you will see most of the panels have a 90% guarantee up to 10 years of service and 80% guarantee up to 25 years of service. On a 250 watt panel, it is guaranteed to put out 200 watts up to 25 years of service. What orifice did you pull this 10 to 15 year replacement out of?
In a utility area that has tiered electricity rates, 30K on your roof in solar PV will have a better return on the money than leaving it in the bank at a whopping 1% interest.

Since: Aug 10

Vacaville, CA

#8 Sep 22, 2013
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, you and Birds Landing Bob are so misinformed it at the very least is bordering on stupidity. In pallet quantities 250 watt panels are selling from just over a dollar per watt to less than a dollar per watt. You can find pricing like this from many sources IE) www.bluepacificsolar.com Replace panels after 10 to 15 years? LOOK at the panel manufacturers warranty and you will see most of the panels have a 90% guarantee up to 10 years of service and 80% guarantee up to 25 years of service. On a 250 watt panel, it is guaranteed to put out 200 watts up to 25 years of service. What orifice did you pull this 10 to 15 year replacement out of?
In a utility area that has tiered electricity rates, 30K on your roof in solar PV will have a better return on the money than leaving it in the bank at a whopping 1% interest.
So now we know that solar panel salesmen lie just like used car salesmen. Good to know.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#9 Sep 22, 2013
Birds Landing Bob wrote:
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So now we know that solar panel salesmen lie just like used car salesmen. Good to know.
Who's WE? Got a turd in your pocket? I sent a link to one of many, solar and alternative energy companies on the internet. You know, the one right in front of YOU. Within that site are the panels they sell and the warranty of those panels, look it up. Right in front of you are the prices they charge for each panel and each panel at pallet quantities. From that even YOU could figure out how much it costs per watt. Of course it's easy for uninformed, institutionalized, electric company shills to dismiss what's right in front of them. Then you won't have to deal with your own paradigm shift. Bobby boy, you're part of the problem, when can society expect you to be part of the solution? Get some real information Bobby then you can talk. www.dsireusa.org

Since: Aug 10

United States

#10 Sep 23, 2013
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>Who's WE? Got a turd in your pocket? I sent a link to one of many, solar and alternative energy companies on the internet. You know, the one right in front of YOU. Within that site are the panels they sell and the warranty of those panels, look it up. Right in front of you are the prices they charge for each panel and each panel at pallet quantities. From that even YOU could figure out how much it costs per watt. Of course it's easy for uninformed, institutionalized, electric company shills to dismiss what's right in front of them. Then you won't have to deal with your own paradigm shift. Bobby boy, you're part of the problem, when can society expect you to be part of the solution? Get some real information Bobby then you can talk. www.dsireusa.org
Sorry but. I ain't buyin the crap you're sellin. Tell me exactly how much power your panels produce at night. You see, I use power 24 hours per day including when the wind ain't blowin. Tonight when I'm watching Monday night football I fully expect that my tv will continue to operate after the sun goes down. I'm quite confident that my commercial electric oven will continue it's process of perfectly roasting a prime rib into the darkness as well.
Arch

Columbus, OH

#11 Sep 23, 2013
Birds Landing Bob wrote:
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Sorry but. I ain't buyin the crap you're sellin. Tell me exactly how much power your panels produce at night. You see, I use power 24 hours per day including when the wind ain't blowin. Tonight when I'm watching Monday night football I fully expect that my tv will continue to operate after the sun goes down. I'm quite confident that my commercial electric oven will continue it's process of perfectly roasting a prime rib into the darkness as well.
You need help Bob! LOL
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#12 Sep 23, 2013
Birds Landing Bob wrote:
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Sorry but. I ain't buyin the crap you're sellin. Tell me exactly how much power your panels produce at night. You see, I use power 24 hours per day including when the wind ain't blowin. Tonight when I'm watching Monday night football I fully expect that my tv will continue to operate after the sun goes down. I'm quite confident that my commercial electric oven will continue it's process of perfectly roasting a prime rib into the darkness as well.
Bob your head is so far up your wahzoo. It's called net metering Bobby, look it up dumbass. My oven works at night also. So does the A/C, and all other appurtenances. What I don't have is a monthly electric bill.
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#13 Sep 24, 2013
From a Forbes magazine article: "The cost of solar power has declined from $5 or $6 per watt in 2008 to $2, Jones said, and some experts forecast it will drop to as low as 30 or 40 cents per watt by the time the tax credit expires.

“This is no longer sort of the bleeding edge technology or niche market,” Klein said.“This is considered big business now and it’s continuing to grow.”"

YOU call it crap Bobby. Many homeowners are willing to put their money where their mouth is. It is getting cheaper every year to install solar PV on one's home or business. The only thing you put where YOUR mouth is..... is well, crap.

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