COLUMN: Why does gasoline contain 10% ethanol? It's political.

Jul 31, 2013 Full story: Farmington Daily Times 13

In 2005, when global warming was still believed to be a manmade crisis and before the technologies of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing combined to unleash a new energy boom in the United States, the Energy Policy Act was passed--mandating that renewable fuels, such as ethanol and biofuel, be added to transportation fuels in escalating ... (more)

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#1 Jul 31, 2013
Why does gasoline contain 10% ethanol? It's practical engineering.

Ethanol is an octane booster and oxygenate replacing a toxic brew called MTBE.

"MTBE removal from groundwater and soil contamination in the U.S. is estimated to cost from $1 billion to $30 billion, including removing the compound from aquifers and municipal water supplies and replacing leaky underground oil tanks. In one case, the cost to oil companies to clean up the MTBE in wells belonging to Santa Monica is estimated to exceed $200 million. In another case, the City of New York estimated a $250 million cost for cleanup of a single wellfield in Queens, NY. More recently, a jury awarded the State of New Hampshire $236 million in damages in order to treat groundwater contaminated by MTBE."

As well, ethanol removes water from gasoline tanks (no need for methyl alcohol in the winter) by sucking up any water in the fuel.]

Third benefit is that it tends to be a good solute and so keeps the engine running clean (and at peak efficiency) much much longer than the previous generation designed for leaded gasoline.

Fourth benefit is to price support for maize farmers. Surplus or secondary grades of corn can be turned into a profit that exceeds the price they would receive as food or cattle feed.

All, in all, at 10%, ethanol has a LOT of benefits and no real downside (yet).

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#2 Jul 31, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Why does gasoline contain 10% ethanol? It's practical engineering.
Ethanol is an octane booster and oxygenate replacing a toxic brew called MTBE.
"MTBE removal from groundwater and soil contamination in the U.S. is estimated to cost from $1 billion to $30 billion, including removing the compound from aquifers and municipal water supplies and replacing leaky underground oil tanks. In one case, the cost to oil companies to clean up the MTBE in wells belonging to Santa Monica is estimated to exceed $200 million. In another case, the City of New York estimated a $250 million cost for cleanup of a single wellfield in Queens, NY. More recently, a jury awarded the State of New Hampshire $236 million in damages in order to treat groundwater contaminated by MTBE."
As well, ethanol removes water from gasoline tanks (no need for methyl alcohol in the winter) by sucking up any water in the fuel.]
Third benefit is that it tends to be a good solute and so keeps the engine running clean (and at peak efficiency) much much longer than the previous generation designed for leaded gasoline.
Fourth benefit is to price support for maize farmers. Surplus or secondary grades of corn can be turned into a profit that exceeds the price they would receive as food or cattle feed.
All, in all, at 10%, ethanol has a LOT of benefits and no real downside (yet).
and it's great welfare for the farming industry...
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#3 Aug 1, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and it's great welfare for the farming industry...
Supporting a fair and stable price without public money (subsidies, aka farm bill) is hardly 'welfare'. The farmers WORK for that money. Being rewarded with a steadier income is hardly welfare.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#4 Aug 1, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Supporting a fair and stable price without public money (subsidies, aka farm bill) is hardly 'welfare'. The farmers WORK for that money. Being rewarded with a steadier income is hardly welfare.
ummm, how is gov't money to your industry not welfare?
and it is , in fact, public money that supporst those stable prices.

other industries do not get assured stable prices or assured insurance from the public dole...

yeah, i'm sticking with the welfare statement...
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#5 Aug 1, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>ummm, how is gov't money to your industry not welfare?
Government mandates ethanol as the 'octane booster' because it is less toxic than MTBE. The oil companies BUY the ethanol and the consumer pays for them. Nothing from government. Are you too stupid to understand that?
woodtick57 wrote:
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and it is , in fact, public money that supporst those stable prices.
I guess you are.
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>
other industries do not get assured stable prices or assured insurance from the public dole...
Now THAT is just stupid. Oil gets between $10B and $52B in subsidies (depending on your accounting and inclusions) while making record profits. That is in DIRECT subsidies. The military/industrial complex is dependent on government contracts for it's very existence (the F35 main purpose has been characterized as a way to extract money from Washington).
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah, i'm sticking with the welfare statement...
I'm sure you are. I doubt if you are educatable, but I do hope you try to get your GED some day.

Since: Mar 13

Alexandria, VA

#6 Aug 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and it's great welfare for the farming industry...
I was thinking more like Archer Daniels Midlands.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#7 Aug 5, 2013
Latest on the fiasco of 10% ethanol blends in gasoline engines.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/reform-...

All of the above, is in addition that ethanol makes gasoline engines run improperly. I have a decade of mpg records for 3 vehicles, showing 8%, 7% & 5% increases when switched to 100% gasoline(ethanol-free). All engines run smoother, quieter & with extra low rpm torque, such that hills are climbed with less downshifting. I was going to switch one car to fuel injection to solve some of its unevenness. With the use of 100% gasoline, fuel injection is no longer neeeded.

Gasoline engines were designed & built to burn 100% gasoline.
Ethanol engines were designed & built to burn ethanol.
This is not rocket science. But it is good 100% gasoline science.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#8 Aug 5, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Ethanol is an octane booster.....
Ethanol is such an octane booster, that it doesn't belong in a gasoline engine burning with gasoline. Ethanol needs higher compression ethanol engines to get its efficiency, as in INDY cars. Ethanol used in a gasoline engine is not getting its full btus of energy utilized, as my previous post shows in detail & in 3 of my vehicles.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#9 Aug 5, 2013
Two of my posts from another thread:
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Mathew Daly been shillin' for ethanol for years. Never mentioning that 10% ethanol blends burned in engines designed & built to burn 100% gasoline, lose 5% to 10% mpg, he pretends that ethanol is the fuel of choice. Of course, ethanol isn't the fuel drivers choose, who carefully & accurately track their mpg, & engine smoothness, quietness & power. They choose 100% gasoline.

So does the EPA, itself, who rates gasoline-engined vehicles for mpg, testing with the equivalent of 100% pure gasoline. Gasoline engine vehicle manufacturers love that EPA ratings with 100% gasoline, because the EPA gets the highest ratings with 100% gasoline.

Thousands of drivers using 100% gasoline get higher mpg, some even beyond 10% better. My earlier 3 cars gained 8%, 7% & 5% better mpg after switching to 100% gasoline from 10% ethanol blends. Presently, my 2013 Hyundai Elantra (yes, I even bought it AFTER the EPA downrated its mpg ratings), is averaging 38.9mpg(has risen to 39.2), with a high of 43mpg, which I think, I can get higher.

All my car engines run smoother, quieter, & with a bit extra low rpm torque, such that less down shifting is needed for ascending hills. Ran on a segment of the experimental quiet pavement with Elantra. Suddenly, Elantra was like a quiet magic carpet, with little road, tire & wind noise....... & no engine noise.

Drivers using 100% gasoline support the 6900 stations(now 7000+), now selling 100% gasoline, up from less than 4000 stations, 3 or 4 years ago.
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The following is a real shocker..........

The seeming extra efficiency of new gasoline direct injection systems on several brands of of vehicles, may have problems with excess carbon build up in some systems. In addition, ethanol in 10% ethanol blends has developing problems with increasing corrosion in direct injection systems, & cautions are being issued to use "higher quality fuels".

A definition of "higher quality fuels" is 100% gasoline, to get away from ethanol entirely!

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/12/sh ...
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Aug 5, 2013
ethanol eats seals in older engines, reduces performance and gas mileage.

I make sure to gas up at a station that sells gas with no ethanol, these stations are getting harder to find, but they're out there.

http://www.hho4free.com/gasoline_vs_ethanol.h...
litesong

Monroe, WA

#11 Aug 5, 2013
lolol wrote:
I make sure to gas up at a station that sells gas with no ethanol, these stations are getting harder to find, but they're out there.
http://www.hho4free.com/gasoline_vs_ethanol.h...
The difficulty of finding 100% gasoline is why pure-gas.org is so important. In years past, only 2000-3000 such stations were listed. People are strongly supporting pure-gas.org & now listings of 100% stations have increased to 7000+!!! Grassroots efforts to call a halt to the ethanol industry & EPA on their ethanol bias is mounting. Hundreds of thousands of people now support those 7000+ stations, despite further ethanol industry & EPA propaganda to cloud ethanol ineffectiveness in gasoline engines.
Cordwainer Trout

Elizabethtown, KY

#12 Aug 5, 2013
There's ethanol in gasoline to boost the price of corn, thereby affecting the international markets and starving more third world people, whom Obama does not want to have electricity. Obama and his atheist Jew supporters are racist, genocidal maniacs. Ethanol also harms gasoline engines, which means planned obsolescence.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#13 Aug 5, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Government mandates ethanol as the 'octane booster' because it is less toxic than MTBE. The oil companies BUY the ethanol and the consumer pays for them. Nothing from government. Are you too stupid to understand that?
<quoted text>
I guess you are.
<quoted text>
Now THAT is just stupid. Oil gets between $10B and $52B in subsidies (depending on your accounting and inclusions) while making record profits. That is in DIRECT subsidies. The military/industrial complex is dependent on government contracts for it's very existence (the F35 main purpose has been characterized as a way to extract money from Washington).
<quoted text>
I'm sure you are. I doubt if you are educatable, but I do hope you try to get your GED some day.
mandating that all that corn is purchased is not asubsidy?

wow! you are able to lie to your self really well.

I bet you can even tell yourself that crop subsidies and crop insurance being paid for by taxpayers aren't gov't handouts...

sweet dreams in your little make0believe land, there dreamer...

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