Largest anti-wind rally storms Austra...

Largest anti-wind rally storms Australian capital

There are 70 comments on the Asian Correspondent story from Jun 16, 2013, titled Largest anti-wind rally storms Australian capital. In it, Asian Correspondent reports that:

Watch for the biggest renewable energy rallies in Canberra on Tuesday, June 18. Supporters and opposition to the Julia Gillard Government's clean energy plans will converge into the capital to hold two separate rallies in a showdown of rhetoric on wind power turbines.

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US open

Austin, TX

#2 Jun 16, 2013
Friends of the earth FFS... what sort of pedophile leftard group would the be.
A bunch of pothead unwashed losers in flannellete shirts singing stupid hippy songs while making scarves for trees out of hemp.
Goats milk

Concord, Australia

#3 Jun 16, 2013
Wind power has a lot of untapped potential. One of those turbines is rated at 1 mega watt you get one hundred of em in a place like the coast of SA and you are generating some serious electricity.
Goats milk

Concord, Australia

#4 Jun 16, 2013
Anyone against renewable energy is a dickhead.
Muslim Mom

Glenmore Park, Australia

#5 Jun 16, 2013
I am liking of idea for Wind Engines and Greens also are liking for Muslims, but please not Wind Engines near my family. I think areas like Mosman and Vaucluse get more wind from sea, so I think good idea for building rows and rows of Wind Engines in these Muslim-deficient areas, thank you.
US open

Austin, TX

#6 Jun 16, 2013
Yes sure because both of you are EuroBoy (Alex Gollan).

Thats why you frequently post from the same places.

Wind power is expensive and stupid. Its only green voting pedophiles that like it.
trev

Geelong, Australia

#7 Jun 16, 2013
what about when you get a large high pressure system and get no wind for days? this technology still relies on FULL backup from traditional methods....ie as USELESS as solar at night time.

You might also want to look at the environmental impacts in china where they are scrambling to make these ridiculous symbols of green lunacy. Whole towns poisoned due to the mining of rare earth minerals, just so that YOU can THINK you are doing something for the environment!!!!
Goats milk wrote:
Wind power has a lot of untapped potential. One of those turbines is rated at 1 mega watt you get one hundred of em in a place like the coast of SA and you are generating some serious electricity.
trev

Geelong, Australia

#8 Jun 16, 2013
renewable energy is just a slogan used by carpetbaggers. If you had a look at the 'carbon footprint' of your wind turbines or solar panels for their COMPLETE LIFECYCLE, you would find they are far from renewable.

only a brain dead imbecile would support money being thrown hand over fist at useless schemes that achieve nothing.
Goats milk wrote:
Anyone against renewable energy is a dickhead.
mat

Australia

#9 Jun 16, 2013
US open wrote:
"The Green bloc led by Friends of the Earth and citizensí watchdog GetUp!"
F*ck GetUP and its ugly spokeman
F*ck the grees bloc
F*ck wind power.
says a loyal employee of texaco oil lol
sid

Chermside, Australia

#10 Jun 16, 2013
Goats milk wrote:
Anyone against renewable energy is a dickhead.
The term " renewable energy" is an oxymorom, energy can be extracted but not renewed.
What you have to remember is that the same multibillion dollar infrastructure in place that provided the technology to build a coal powered generator is the same technology and infrastructure used to build wind turbines. These turbine are not just made out of an old car diff and a few sheets of tin for blades hooked up to a couple of old truck batteries, they are high tech devices with sophisticated electronic control, exotic metals and composite materials, very high polluting raw materials to produce.
I haven't read any studies comparing energy in to energy out for wind turbines but I am pretty sure you will find net energy out does not catch up to net energy in for 20 years or so by which time they are worn out and have to be replaced.
What happens when the wind doesn't blow, you rely on coal fired plants to take the shortfall or shut down industry and normal life and live in the dark.
As soon as you use existing technology to produce a so called alternative energy device, you've shot yourself in the foot, the wind turbine might sit in the paddock and cause no perceivable pollution, but the pollution produced from the mine, steelworks, plastics factory, electronics factory etc etc is released somewhere else, net gain globally, zero.
The only kind of alternative energy that helps with energy consumption is technology using already manufactured goods, basically recycled junk, car diffs, alternators wiring etc, small scale stuff, anything that has to be manufactured defeats the purpose pollution wise.
Lary

Belmont, Australia

#11 Jun 16, 2013
Wind turbines require very little servicing actually. Once constructed they will go on producing clean energy for years. The longer they go on producing energy the higher their green credentials become.

The problem is they are not used in the right way. One turbine on it's own is not a wind farm.

Some areas are more suitable for wind power than others. In the areas where this method of energy harnessing is viable, the farms should be extensive. In other areas hydroelectric and solar should be considered.

I personally think all new houses should have to have solar panels and battery storage for the energy. That way you have day and night power from solar. It's something the government should consider. Get some decent solar set ups.
US open

Austin, TX

#12 Jun 16, 2013
Lary wrote:
Wind turbines require very little servicing actually. Once constructed they will go on producing clean energy for years. The longer they go on producing energy the higher their green credentials become.
The problem is they are not used in the right way. One turbine on it's own is not a wind farm.
Some areas are more suitable for wind power than others. In the areas where this method of energy harnessing is viable, the farms should be extensive. In other areas hydroelectric and solar should be considered.
I personally think all new houses should have to have solar panels and battery storage for the energy. That way you have day and night power from solar. It's something the government should consider. Get some decent solar set ups.
F*ck off Goats Milk, EuroBoy etc Alex Gollan.
sid

Chermside, Australia

#13 Jun 16, 2013
Lary wrote:
Wind turbines require very little servicing actually. Once constructed they will go on producing clean energy for years. The longer they go on producing energy the higher their green credentials become.
The problem is they are not used in the right way. One turbine on it's own is not a wind farm.
Some areas are more suitable for wind power than others. In the areas where this method of energy harnessing is viable, the farms should be extensive. In other areas hydroelectric and solar should be considered.
I personally think all new houses should have to have solar panels and battery storage for the energy. That way you have day and night power from solar. It's something the government should consider. Get some decent solar set ups.
True wind turbine are relatively low maintenance however you have to look at the pollution caused by the infrastructure that created them, that's where the pollution is happening not at the wind turbine.
sid

Chermside, Australia

#14 Jun 16, 2013
Lary wrote:
Wind turbines require very little servicing actually. Once constructed they will go on producing clean energy for years. The longer they go on producing energy the higher their green credentials become.
The problem is they are not used in the right way. One turbine on it's own is not a wind farm.
Some areas are more suitable for wind power than others. In the areas where this method of energy harnessing is viable, the farms should be extensive. In other areas hydroelectric and solar should be considered.
I personally think all new houses should have to have solar panels and battery storage for the energy. That way you have day and night power from solar. It's something the government should consider. Get some decent solar set ups.
Electronic Australia magazine printed an article in I think 2011 comparing energy used to manufacture solar panels against energy out of a solar panel, the cross over point was at between 20 and 25 years by which time efficiency of panels drops off very significantly, net saving of energy almost zero, batteries only have a useful life of 3 to 4 years and then there are problems with disposal. Hydroelectricity in australia is very limited, we simply don't have enough falling water or dams to provide it.
trev

Geelong, Australia

#15 Jun 16, 2013
and what exactly are you going to make the batteries from and how are you going to dispose of them after their relatively short life span????

more ridiculous statements that don't give one shred of environmental improvement, probably the contrary if you want to go down the battery path.

if you want to flush your own money down the toilet for this type of tech, GO RIGHT AHEAD. leave the rest of us to spend our money on hospitals, roads etc where it is actually needed.
Lary wrote:
I personally think all new houses should have to have solar panels and battery storage for the energy. That way you have day and night power from solar. It's something the government should consider. Get some decent solar set ups.
Goats milk Australia

Dickson, Australia

#16 Jun 17, 2013
Muslim Mom wrote:
I am liking of idea for Wind Engines and Greens also are liking for Muslims, but please not Wind Engines near my family. I think areas like Mosman and Vaucluse get more wind from sea, so I think good idea for building rows and rows of Wind Engines in these Muslim-deficient areas, thank you.
That's a great idea. We should use the muslims in jail to build them.
Goats milk Australia

Dickson, Australia

#17 Jun 17, 2013
@US open have a look at my posts and the other posters you think I am. I am goats milk I always post from this location.

Since: Mar 13

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#18 Jun 17, 2013
US open wrote:
"The Green bloc led by Friends of the Earth and citizensí watchdog GetUp!"
**** GetUP and its ugly spokeman
**** the grees bloc
**** wind power.
Gentlebeing,
While in general I agree with your sentiment, the manner in which you present it is unhelpful for your implied cause. Please restrain yourself in the future.

Since: Mar 13

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#19 Jun 17, 2013
Goats milk wrote:
Wind power has a lot of untapped potential. One of those turbines is rated at 1 mega watt you get one hundred of em in a place like the coast of SA and you are generating some serious electricity.
First, there are two issues with electricity, power (kW) and energy (kWh). Since you speak of MW (power) I will respond to that first.

If electricity could be cheaply stored, then your vision might be defensible, though even then, a 1MW wind turbine would only provide about 150kW to 500kW (in a REALLY GOOD location) of average POWER. This number is based on the peak power (1MW) and the Capacity FACTOR (15% to 50%).

But unfortunately, cheap storage does not exist. As a result, it is not the capacity FACTOR that should be used, but the capacity CREDIT. For wind, the capacity credit is bout 1%. Thus the actual value of the wind turbine to POWER the grid is about 10kW. Adding massive storage raises that value until the capacity FACTOR is the dominating factor again.

And unfortunately, until there is massive storage, the only value of the ENERGY provided is the marginal cost of the fuel actually saved in the fossil fuel back-up systems that wind always requires. So you can see that though the desire for clean energy thru wind power seems achievable, it won't be until some form of massive, cheap storage is available. So far, there is nothing within sight that fills that massive and cheap requirement.

What there is that will do the same thing (cheap, clean, sustainable power) and it is called a Liquid Fluoride Thorium Recycler (LFTR). Not nuclear power, NEWclear power.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#20 Jun 17, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>.
I haven't read any studies comparing energy in to energy out for wind turbines but I am pretty sure you will find net energy out does not catch up to net energy in for 20 years or so by which time they are worn out and have to be replaced.
Wikipedia has a pretty good atricle on the subject of Energy Return on Energy Invested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_...
Unfortunately, the only data shown was published by the New York Acadamy of Sciences whichha the reputation of publishing anything that has a pro-renewable / anti-nuclear slant. It shows wind EOEI as being pretty good. But it shows nuclear as being fairly bad, and I am pretty sure it is not as bad as listed. So, there is data on the subect out there, but read it with a critical eye.

Oh, and I think the cited study assumed "expected life" in their calculations but nuclear frequently last much longer than the initial advertised value while wind has demonstrated that the initial life estimates were... libral. Last thing I read was that on average, 30 year machines were lasting only ~19 years.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#21 Jun 17, 2013
US open wrote:
Largest anti-wind rally storms Australian capital
Rightly so!!

Baked Beans should be outlawed!!:(

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