3 Million Muslims Begin Annual Hajj

Full story: The Associated Press

In his tent in the desert outside the holy city of Mecca, Suleiman Ibrahim still couldn't believe his luck.

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Marie

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Dec 29, 2006
 
How interesting that there is no mention of the intense gender discrimination of this religious event.

If this were a Christian event that did the same (discriminated against women) that subject would be a media circus.

For some reason Islam is seen as 'hands off' where the media is concerned, whereas it's 'open season' on Christianity all year long.
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Dec 29, 2006
 
Marie wrote:
How interesting that there is no mention of the intense gender discrimination of this religious event.
If this were a Christian event that did the same (discriminated against women) that subject would be a media circus.
For some reason Islam is seen as 'hands off' where the media is concerned, whereas it's 'open season' on Christianity all year long.
yes! so true!
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Dec 29, 2006
 
HAJJ DISASTERS
2006: 345 die in a crush during a stone-throwing ritual
2004: 251 trampled to death in stampede
2003: 14 are crushed to death
2001: 35 die in stampede
1998: At least 118 trampled to death
1997: 343 pilgrims die and 1,500 injured in fire
1994: 270 killed in stampede
1990: 1,426 pilgrims killed in tunnel leading to holy sites
1987: 400 die as Saudi authorities confront pro-Iranian demonstration

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Dec 29, 2006
 
Nuke 3 million Muslims in Mecca?
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Dec 29, 2006
 
Wonder how many will be killed this year during this exercise in mob madness.

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Dec 30, 2006
 
biases

Muslims still Muslims and ya still doing Envy
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Dec 30, 2006
 
speed buggy wrote:
Nuke 3 million Muslims in Mecca?
I know what you are thinking, it makes sense in a perverse way.
It could be done by one of the faithful in order to blame the infidels.

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Dec 30, 2006
 
Hold your breath for the anual haj stampede.

Ready ... Go.

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Dec 30, 2006
 
hey
hajj is one of important religious matter in ISLAM.

so it is special not belong to any body here except muslims only.

no muslim occupy him/her self with your religion matters because we don't care.

so occupy with yourself and your matters only.

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Dec 30, 2006
 
Mad Voltage wrote:
hey
hajj is one of important religious matter in ISLAM.
so it is special not belong to any body here except muslims only.
no muslim occupy him/her self with your religion matters because we don't care.
so occupy with yourself and your matters only.
Hey, Mad, why are so many rituals in the Haj pilgrimage pagan in origin?(perhaps all of them)
Don't you feel kind of silly walking around an altar for the pagan rock gods, or throwing stones at the devil?

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Dec 30, 2006
 
Paulo wrote:
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Hey, Mad, why are so many rituals in the Haj pilgrimage pagan in origin?(perhaps all of them)
Don't you feel kind of silly walking around an altar for the pagan rock gods, or throwing stones at the devil?
it is not pagan because we worship one god called ALLAH (the real god).u said that because u dont know about Islam and its matters.

and about "silly walking"
no it is not and this our religion and instructions if u dont like it i dont care so respect my believes
i will respect your believes thats it in Easy way.

when u worship to a human or animal statue i mean statue for a soul this called pagan but about hajj we dont worship the "Kabaa" just we go there because
ALLAH ordered us with that.and in our religion the "kabaa" is under the throne of our god so when we go there to worship it is for ALLAH not for "Kabaa".

i hope u understand now

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Dec 30, 2006
 
Mad Voltage wrote:
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it is not pagan because we worship one god called ALLAH (the real god).u said that because u dont know about Islam and its matters.
and about "silly walking"
no it is not and this our religion and instructions if u dont like it i dont care so respect my believes
i will respect your believes thats it in Easy way.
when u worship to a human or animal statue i mean statue for a soul this called pagan but about hajj we dont worship the "Kabaa" just we go there because
ALLAH ordered us with that.and in our religion the "kabaa" is under the throne of our god so when we go there to worship it is for ALLAH not for "Kabaa".
i hope u understand now
Mad, you misunderstood me. What I mean is all the things that go on in Mecca during the Haj, were actually started by the pagans, before the time of Muhammad. So it's a pagan ritual that Muhammad hijacked (like many other things in Islam).

Wasn't Allah just the biggest rock god in the Kabaa. Muhammad simply got rid of the smaller gods and promoted the moon god, Allah.

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Dec 30, 2006
 
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Mad, you misunderstood me. What I mean is all the things that go on in Mecca during the Haj, were actually started by the pagans, before the time of Muhammad. So it's a pagan ritual that Muhammad hijacked (like many other things in Islam).
Wasn't Allah just the biggest rock god in the Kabaa. Muhammad simply got rid of the smaller gods and promoted the moon god, Allah.
ALLAH not the biggest rock god in the Kabaa.where did u get these informations!!

ALLAH created all of us and provide us with the means of subsistence .

notice:us =all the creatures in the universe.

and dont say any thing about "Mohamed" because u dont know any thing about him ok.

just the western author a stories about Mohamed and Islam and you and your rest of people believe theses without any thinking just because ye dont like Muslims no thing else.

and i have a Idea for non muslims:
if ye dont like muslims its ok we dont care but leave us to believe what we want to believe because all free to think about the things he like Muslims and non muslims and it is better to take care about your matters because it is not right that u take care about the matters of others and forget your wrongs and problems .

i think i'm clear now
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Dec 30, 2006
 
Its not muslims that people dislike, its the way muslims use islam as an excuse to murder others,its the intolerance and repression, the violence,itlacks freedom of expression.

As for mohammed, the less said the better,(in a civilised country, a child abuser would be locked up)..

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Dec 30, 2006
 
leah wrote:
Its not muslims that people dislike, its the way muslims use islam as an excuse to murder others,its the intolerance and repression, the violence,itlacks freedom of expression.
As for mohammed, the less said the better,(in a civilised country, a child abuser would be locked up)..
the bad muslims excuse to murder others only dont generalize please
because most of us good people
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Dec 30, 2006
 
Marie wrote:
How interesting that there is no mention of the intense gender discrimination of this religious event.
If this were a Christian event that did the same (discriminated against women) that subject would be a media circus.
For some reason Islam is seen as 'hands off' where the media is concerned, whereas it's 'open season' on Christianity all year long.
its because the oligarch conspiracy to create a worldgov could be damaged (as if it isnt already by general world feeling against it) by working up the muz too much right now

the insanity of these oligarchs is so great that if slami would accept the rightness of interest it is possible these oligos would make slami the preeminent world religion just to get the muz on their side. but i suppose the oligos are afraid of muz uprisings against worldgov

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Dec 30, 2006
 
people u lie the lie and believe it.

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Dec 31, 2006
 
Mad Voltage wrote:
people u lie the lie and believe it.
I feel by you,

those Idiots will never understand, I guess we should stop this reckless discussion becasue they are insulting their Creator and that is the worst thing a human do.
SO on the judgment them, we will see them burn in hell and we will pity them.. let them go on with this stupidity they spread around,
Allah help you people

thank you for your efforts "Mad Voltage"
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Dec 31, 2006
 
Paulo wrote:
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Hey, Mad, why are so many rituals in the Haj pilgrimage pagan in origin?(perhaps all of them)
Don't you feel kind of silly walking around an altar for the pagan rock gods, or throwing stones at the devil?
All religion is based in paganism including Christianity, you only have to look at Christian festivals. For example Easter was originally called eostre which is the name of a pagan Goddess of fertility I think. Ever wondered where the Easter rabbit and Easter eggs come from? pagan fertility symbols. Christmas was originally called Yule which was festival celebrating the death of the old year and the birth of the new sun. Like Christmas presents were exchanged and there was a feast and the houses were decorated with holly and mistletoe.
But what about Jesus? There have been many similar stories throughout history but one that comes the closest is a Persian Bull slayer god called Mithras.
Mithras was also adopted by the Romans and his temple stood where the Vatican now stands.
These are a few "coincidences" Mithras has with Jesus.
Mithras was born December 25th
Mithras had 12 companions
Mithras was known as the lamb, messiah and the shepherd
Mithras' followers were baptized
Mithras' mother was a virgin
Mithras' at his birth was attended by shepherds
Mithras turned water into wine
Mithras died and was resurrected
Mithras was worshipped on a Sunday
Maybe all religion like much of history is steeped in bullshit.

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Dec 31, 2006
 
HALA wrote:
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I feel by you,
those Idiots will never understand, I guess we should stop this reckless discussion becasue they are insulting their Creator and that is the worst thing a human do.
SO on the judgment them, we will see them burn in hell and we will pity them.. let them go on with this stupidity they spread around,
Allah help you people
thank you for your efforts "Mad Voltage"
Hi HALA,
maybe there are no ways to make them understand but i can't leave them insult our religion with this shits and if i left them do this shits they maybe think that i'm give up or became tired or they are right and we are wrong so i'm here to make all rude idiots regret about them birth.

maybe they bulid a vile sites and believe them shits maybe they fake the truth maybe ....maybe....

so they will do all things that the animals shame if it do like they do now.

anyway HALA thanks for your last post

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