Ukiah API scores released

Ukiah API scores released

There are 51 comments on the The Ukiah Daily Journal story from May 14, 2010, titled Ukiah API scores released. In it, The Ukiah Daily Journal reports that:

The California Department of Education on Thursday released the Academic Performance Index scores for all public schools and public charters.

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“Facts”

Since: May 08

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#41 May 28, 2010
Marvin C Gentz wrote:
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I totally disagree. Public education has just suffered a 20% loss of revenue all across the US. No run of the mill private enterprise could even exist with that kind of cut.
This has been so devastating to the point that many knowledgeable observors are referring to today's students as the "Lost Generation". Some of our congresspeople are waking up and calling for an emergency bailout of public education in the same manner that we bailed out the banksters. Another wonderful idea is a small fee out of every wall street transaction to go to pay for public education deficits. Would you support that idea? I do.
PS Random testing is just a statistical approach. The reporting would still be the same and would result in the same teaching to the stupid test.
Let’s see……

The construction industry is down 90%.........Should I go on……………The auto industry…….
How many people work for the school system that is not in a classroom every day?
What portion of the budget do they get paid………

No random testing is not……………..

How can you teach kids to pass a test that you have never seen…………….

As a teacher you are in the dark about the test…….

The same questions never appear twice.
You have no idea what subjects will be tested.
You have no idea when the test will be given.
The test does not ask what is 5 + 4……………It ask how to you figure out what 5+4 is……
Why are there 13 stripes on the flag?
Water is comprised of two elements…………List them…….

Random testing with random test show what the students really have absorbed from the class…
No Place to Hide

Los Molinos, CA

#42 May 28, 2010
I spend two to four hours every evening helping the kids with homework. Here's what's fascinating. History hasn't changed. Water still consists of two parts hydrogen to one part oxygen. Nouns are still nouns and verbs are still verbs. The alphabet is still the same. The Pythagorean Theorem and the Quadratic Equation are still the same. And, get this, the area of a circle is still pi times the square of the radius.

So what's changed in the past 25 years? Certainly not the teachers; same ones. Gotta love tenure.
Marvin C Gentz

Sausalito, CA

#43 May 29, 2010
No Place to Hide wrote:
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I hate to inform you, but many private businesses, large and small, have suffered in excess of a 20% loss of revenue in the past 18 months (some up to a 40% loss). However, adjustments have been made (mostly payroll) to compensate the loss.
The efficiency and effectiveness of private enterprise is grossly exaggerated. As a matter of fact, about 80% of new businesses fold in the first year due to massive ineffeiciency and waste. Nothing more, nothing less. And Failing Big Business (corporations) are the biggest recipients of big government help when they just cannot raise their fees fast enough to survive.

Some of our wiser economists spoke of the "satisficing of profit", indicating that maximixation can only lead to economic doom.

Satisficing

"Maximising behaviour may be replaced by satisficing - I.e. setting minimum acceptable levels of achievement. The domestic and international Equity and Bond markets may play an important role in monitoring the performance of managers in a company - when companies are under-performing set against the performance of other businesses in a market, there may be downward pressure on the share price, raising the threat of a contested takeover bid by a rival firm. A firm may be under pressure to reduce prices to consumers if it has made large profits and may choose to do this in order to stop an investigation by the Competition Commission or to improve its image with customers.

Alternatively, the firm may reward workers with higher wages in order to stop industrial action.

Don't you think that satisficing is a viable alternative?
Please do some research.
Marvin C Gentz

Sausalito, CA

#44 May 29, 2010
Here Is One wrote:
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Let’s see……
The construction industry is down 90%.........Should I go on……………The auto industry…….
How many people work for the school system that is not in a classroom every day?
What portion of the budget do they get paid………
No random testing is not……………..
How can you teach kids to pass a test that you have never seen…………….
As a teacher you are in the dark about the test…….
The same questions never appear twice.
You have no idea what subjects will be tested.
You have no idea when the test will be given.
The test does not ask what is 5 + 4……………It ask how to you figure out what 5+4 is……
Why are there 13 stripes on the flag?
Water is comprised of two elements…………List them…….
Random testing with random test show what the students really have absorbed from the class…
Without being disrespectful, you are totally wrong about random testing. In addition to teaching, at one time, I was an educational program evaluator. You have no idea how many tests I administered. Again, it is in the reporting of test results in the criticratic main line press and tv where everything gets distorted.

Random testing can in no way be a solution.

“Facts”

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#45 May 29, 2010
Marvin C Gentz wrote:
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Without being disrespectful, you are totally wrong about random testing. In addition to teaching, at one time, I was an educational program evaluator. You have no idea how many tests I administered. Again, it is in the reporting of test results in the criticratic main line press and tv where everything gets distorted.
Random testing can in no way be a solution.
I beg to differ…………….they use a system like that here…………………

And it is imposable for a teacher to teach the test……………..The teacher does not know when or what the test will be about………….And the test are not looking for a answer, they are looking for how you came up with the answer……………

So tell me starting out at the first of the year when a general test is given, how can the teacher prepare the students for the next test if the teacher has no idea what will be on the test………….

The test will contain things that students in that grade should not have studied yet……………………….It will contain things they should have learned last year………….And the test results are graded as such……………If a first grade student can’t answer a high school science question the student is not docked for a blank or wrong answer………………..But if the child can answer the question they are given points for it……

It is imposable for the teacher to teach the test except for training the students to skip or leave blank a question they don’t understand………..

But the test will find the advanced child and the slower child………………..And the advanced class and the slower class……..And when the test are given 5 or 6 times a year the computer will produce a graph of what the child is learning and not learning……………

So why does this not work in the USA but does here?
Marvin C Gentz

San Francisco, CA

#46 May 29, 2010
Here Is One wrote:
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I beg to differ…………….they use a system like that here…………………
And it is imposable for a teacher to teach the test……………..The teacher does not know when or what the test will be about………….And the test are not looking for a answer, they are looking for how you came up with the answer……………
So tell me starting out at the first of the year when a general test is given, how can the teacher prepare the students for the next test if the teacher has no idea what will be on the test………….
The test will contain things that students in that grade should not have studied yet……………………….It will contain things they should have learned last year………….And the test results are graded as such……………If a first grade student can’t answer a high school science question the student is not docked for a blank or wrong answer………………..But if the child can answer the question they are given points for it……
It is imposable for the teacher to teach the test except for training the students to skip or leave blank a question they don’t understand………..
But the test will find the advanced child and the slower child………………..And the advanced class and the slower class……..And when the test are given 5 or 6 times a year the computer will produce a graph of what the child is learning and not learning……………
So why does this not work in the USA but does here?
Again, let me try to explain:

The No Child Left Behind Act almost required that teachers teach to the test.

And the posting of the comparative scores by district and school leads to almost a total dependence upon testing and not education. The public becomes fixated with test scores and how it relates to money. Remember, districts get paid with No Child....depending upon average test scores. Whether you randomize the administration or not, you have created a test taking monster.

“Facts”

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#47 May 29, 2010
Marvin C Gentz wrote:
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Again, let me try to explain:
The No Child Left Behind Act almost required that teachers teach to the test.
And the posting of the comparative scores by district and school leads to almost a total dependence upon testing and not education. The public becomes fixated with test scores and how it relates to money. Remember, districts get paid with No Child....depending upon average test scores. Whether you randomize the administration or not, you have created a test taking monster.
Correct………………..but random testing is different…………….the no child lest behind is part of what has destroyed the school system
Hmmm

Ukiah, CA

#48 May 31, 2010
I agree with you both, to a degree... I think teachers need to be teaching what is needed regardless of what questions are on any test. I am at my daughters school a minimum of 3 days a week and the teachers just don't seem to be with the program. Plus they are understaffed. 20-25 seven year old children for one person is a bit much to handle and the children are running all over the place and the teacher in their gentle ways are trying to control them with out possible reason for a law suit. Teachers need more authority and the ability to discipline within reason. Children these days are out of control, are lacking respect and manners. Just look around you when you are out and about at how children act these days. If I had acted out in the store or hand my hands all over the merchandise my mom would have snapped me in my place in a hurry.
So I think we need back to the roots teaching, no fancy testing, just buckle down, limit "play" time and teach our damn kids an education....

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#49 May 31, 2010
Hmmm wrote:
I agree with you both, to a degree... I think teachers need to be teaching what is needed regardless of what questions are on any test. I am at my daughters school a minimum of 3 days a week and the teachers just don't seem to be with the program. Plus they are understaffed. 20-25 seven year old children for one person is a bit much to handle and the children are running all over the place and the teacher in their gentle ways are trying to control them with out possible reason for a law suit. Teachers need more authority and the ability to discipline within reason. Children these days are out of control, are lacking respect and manners. Just look around you when you are out and about at how children act these days. If I had acted out in the store or hand my hands all over the merchandise my mom would have snapped me in my place in a hurry.
So I think we need back to the roots teaching, no fancy testing, just buckle down, limit "play" time and teach our damn kids an education....
You are correct………………..If the children show the teacher no respect the teacher does not have a chance…………..
And the respect starts at home……
Mr C

Concord, CA

#52 May 1, 2012
MendoMike wrote:
Hey, I have a great idea! Let's pretend Ukiah is the only Community in California that has a large proportion of non English speaking children in the public school system! Let's ignore teachers who can't teach, children who can't learn and parents who don't care; instead let's blame it on the Mexicans.
All those people you just mentioned are Mexicans, and blacks too!
Provocateur

Oakland, CA

#53 May 1, 2012
Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401K's, took trillions in taxpayer funded bail outs, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes? Yeah, me neither ... Pass it on.

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