A lesson in tolerance for Arizona

A lesson in tolerance for Arizona

There are 18 comments on the Tri-cityherald.com story from Jun 12, 2012, titled A lesson in tolerance for Arizona. In it, Tri-cityherald.com reports that:

It's been nearly a year since John Huppenthal, Arizona's superintendent of public instruction, decided to dismantle the Tucson Unified School District's Mexican-American studies program by invoking an absurd new state law.

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Romney 2012 n 2016

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Jun 12, 2012
Absurd? No it was the right thing to do. Teaching children to hate is wrong!

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#2 Jun 12, 2012
Romney 2012 n 2016 wrote:
Absurd? No it was the right thing to do. Teaching children to hate is wrong!
How did you determine anyone was teaching the kids to hate? It's not hate to teach the accurate version of a particular section of history. There was no teaching of hate, that is the exact kind of misinformed rhetoric that conservatives are spewing across the internet. It's dishonest.
Interesting

Saint Louis, MO

#3 Jun 12, 2012
X -Man- wrote:
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How did you determine anyone was teaching the kids to hate? It's not hate to teach the accurate version of a particular section of history. There was no teaching of hate, that is the exact kind of misinformed rhetoric that conservatives are spewing across the internet. It's dishonest.
Buzz off, you're either absolutely clueless or teach the same thing in your home.

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#4 Jun 12, 2012
Interesting wrote:
<quoted text>Buzz off, you're either absolutely clueless or teach the same thing in your home.
You buzz off. If you can't handle being questioned on your comments that's your problem. Pure deflection. lol
Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Jun 12, 2012
X -Man- wrote:
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You buzz off. If you can't handle being questioned on your comments that's your problem. Pure deflection. lol
Hm. Given azpatriot's post, I wonder if you're not the one engaging in deflection. Not laughing.

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#7 Jun 12, 2012
AZPATRIOT wrote:
Sounds like they were teaching hate to me:
The program, also known as “raza studies,” has been supported by the anti-American group "La Raza".
This involves school children as young as third graders!
On the TUSD website, it said that the basic text for this program is “the Pedagogy of The Oppressed.”
The textbooks teach Latino youth that they are mistreated by America. Textbooks include “The Pedagogy of the Oppressed” and “Occupied America.”
One text "gloats over the difficulties our country is having at enforcing its immigration laws." Benjamin Franklin is vilified as a racist. White people are referred to as “gringos” and “oppressors” of Latino people.“Privilege” is described as related to a person’s ethnicity.
Excerpt from the textbook “An Epic Poem”:
"My land is lost and stolen, My culture has been raped….we have to destroy capitalism…overthrow a government that has committed abuses….to the bloodsuckers, the parasites, the vampires who are the capitalists of the world: The schools are tools of the power structure that blind and sentence our youth to a life of confusion, and hypocrisy, one that preaches assimilation and practices institutional racism."
Other sections of the textbook:
“Today I have a message for all the people of Aztlan to the children, the students, the workers, to the masses of our people, and to the bloodsuckers, the parasites, the vampires who are the capitalists of the world: The schools are tools of the power structure that blind and sentence our youth to a life of confusion, and hypocrisy, one that preaches assimilation and practices institutional racism.”
During the hearings a senator asked a girl whether she could have learned the things she spoke about in other courses. She responded:“No, before I took this course, I didn’t realize that I was oppressed. Now that took this course, I realize that I am oppressed.”
One of the textbooks is Occupied America (5th ed.):
"We are fed up. We are going to move to do away with the injustices to the Chicano and if the ‘gringo’ doesn’t get out of our way, we will stampede over him.”
The textbook states:“Texans had never come to grips with the fact that Mexicans had won at the Alamo.”(P. 323.)
Another textbook is the Mexican American Heritage (2nd ed.).
One of the chapters is “The Loss of Aztlan.” Aztlan refers to the states taken from Mexico in 1848: Arizona, California, New Mexico and Colorado. This chapter states:“Apparently the U.S. is having as little success in keeping the Mexicans out of Aztlan as Mexico had when they tried to keep the North Americans out of Texas in 1830.”(P. 107.)This page goes on to state:“…the Latinos are now realizing that the power to control Aztlan may once again be in their hands.”
If having tolerance means that you have to support the teaching of our Latino youth to hate white people, hate America, hate capitalism, a false history of America and Americans and to overthrow the white people, then I guess I don't have any tolerance for that.
I had to remove some of you post.

Taking evocative excerpts from textbooks and citing the views of one student does not convince me that these children are being taught to hate America or whites.

We study authors of different Ideologies in other classes, whether they be communist, Marxist, Socialist and so on. It's just knowledge, knowledge that is out their regardless whether it's taught at this school or not. Better it's taught in this setting where teachers can balance what's in the textbooks and teach children that are interested in this subject the truth about what happened. Just because a teacher teaches a particular person's point of view does not mean that teacher is advocating that point of view in these classes.

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#8 Jun 12, 2012
Free is free wrote:
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Hm. Given azpatriot's post, I wonder if you're not the one engaging in deflection. Not laughing.
Nope, no deflecting here. am laughing.
Romney 2012 n 2016

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Jun 13, 2012
I scorned Ricardo Guerra wrote:
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Distortion and deflecting are two of his favorite tactics.
X Man also uses the terms "hate" and "racism" to make "victims" out of 20,000,000 of his racial tribesmen being in the US illegally.
He also posts as American 12 but neither his appearance nor his ideology suggest Americanism.
Thanks for the info!
Angler

Fairport, NY

#11 Jun 13, 2012
I scorned Ricardo Guerra wrote:
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Distortion and deflecting are two of his favorite tactics.
X Man also uses the terms "hate" and "racism" to make "victims" out of 20,000,000 of his racial tribesmen being in the US illegally.
He also posts as American 12 but neither his appearance nor his ideology suggest Americanism.
How many names do you post under Manny the Tranny??
HMMMmmm?
Captain

Aurora, CO

#12 Jun 13, 2012
Sure you can teach this Aztlan history, but shouldn't you get it in college?

So what defines a Chicano? Seems to me Mexico was overrun by Spain and became a Spanish colony. Then fought Spain for independence, and won. So isn't Mexico of Spanish decent? Didn't the Spanish mix with indigenous population, Native Americans? Shouldn't all this be about
bout Native Americans wanting their land back? Not some Chicano ideology.

So what's up with all these dubious claims that European nations made on lands they knew nothing about? Just because some Spaniard looked out accross the land and said it belonged to the Spanish crown, doesn't make it so, you have to control it.
That's what the northern Europeans did. That's how it worked back in the day. You conquered by colonizing, not just pointing your finger and saying this all belongs to us.
Just looked up this idea of Chicano. At UCLA they have 'promoted the study of Mexican Americans and others of Latino descent.' So what then is a Mexican American? Someone born in Mexico? Latino descent? Latino refers to Latin, which is a language used by Rome and their conquered world, which of course included Spain, as well as most of europe, the mediterranean, and north Africa. They spoke and were governed by Latin laws. So are not all these people of Latin descent? Though Latin is not a race, but way part of culture.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#13 Jun 13, 2012
X -Man- wrote:
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I had to remove some of you post.
Taking evocative excerpts from textbooks and citing the views of one student does not convince me that these children are being taught to hate America or whites.
We study authors of different Ideologies in other classes, whether they be communist, Marxist, Socialist and so on. It's just knowledge, knowledge that is out their regardless whether it's taught at this school or not. Better it's taught in this setting where teachers can balance what's in the textbooks and teach children that are interested in this subject the truth about what happened. Just because a teacher teaches a particular person's point of view does not mean that teacher is advocating that point of view in these classes.
Explain why when over half of the latinos in Arizona schools will not graduate and an even higher percentage cannot read, write or perform math at a grade school level we need to teach them "Hispanic" history so they can blame their ignorance on "gringos".
Angler

Fairport, NY

#17 Jun 13, 2012
I scorned Ricardo Guerra wrote:
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How many times do you follow someone you believe to be a tranny, azzwipe Rico?
You like trannys, huh, wierdo?
i aint rico skeet for brains.
and since you are the only tranny i know the answer to your question is no i do not.
i also dont like skinheads, neo-nazis, racists, bigots, crybabies,and people who denounce thier own race. like you gloria,monica, tally, and manica.
Rico aint the stalker penisbate. you are!!

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#18 Jun 13, 2012
X -Man- wrote:
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I had to remove some of you post.
Taking evocative excerpts from textbooks and citing the views of one student does not convince me that these children are being taught to hate America or whites.
We study authors of different Ideologies in other classes, whether they be communist, Marxist, Socialist and so on. It's just knowledge, knowledge that is out their regardless whether it's taught at this school or not. Better it's taught in this setting where teachers can balance what's in the textbooks and teach children that are interested in this subject the truth about what happened. Just because a teacher teaches a particular person's point of view does not mean that teacher is advocating that point of view in these classes.
WOW.... I explained why the TUSD and State of AZ BANNED the program. There is obviously more than ONE student involved and more than just a few excerpts from a book.

The program was investigated (by people more intelligent than you), judged by a court of law (again, more intelligent than you)and ruled ILLEGAL - "The district's Mexican-American Studies program violated state law by having one or more classes designed primarily for one ethnic group, promoting racial resentment and advocating ethnic solidarity instead of treating students as individuals."

"Teaching oppression objectively is quite different than actively presenting material in a biased, political and emotionally charged manner, which is what occurred in (Mexican-American Studies) classes," Kowal wrote.


Arizona Schools' Ethnic Studies Program Ruled Illegal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/ariz...

Judging by your uninformed comments, I can only conclude that you are a product of this program and an example of why they were banned.
Angler

Fairport, NY

#20 Jun 13, 2012
I scorned Ricardo Guerra wrote:
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FO mud man
i aint him gender bender. you are hated on so many levels and by so many people that you just keep track of them.
Hardy har har manny the tranny.

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#21 Jun 13, 2012
AZPATRIOT wrote:
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WOW.... I explained why the TUSD and State of AZ BANNED the program. There is obviously more than ONE student involved and more than just a few excerpts from a book.
The program was investigated (by people more intelligent than you), judged by a court of law (again, more intelligent than you)and ruled ILLEGAL - "The district's Mexican-American Studies program violated state law by having one or more classes designed primarily for one ethnic group, promoting racial resentment and advocating ethnic solidarity instead of treating students as individuals."
"Teaching oppression objectively is quite different than actively presenting material in a biased, political and emotionally charged manner, which is what occurred in (Mexican-American Studies) classes," Kowal wrote.
Arizona Schools' Ethnic Studies Program Ruled Illegal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/ariz...
Judging by your uninformed comments, I can only conclude that you are a product of this program and an example of why they were banned.
You can "conclude" whatever you wish, it's doubtful to be a correct conclusion. You don't know anything of my "intelligence" so I wouldn't go there.

It sounds to me like there's a lot of bigotry going on in Arizona, so much that they're even censoring history now. What a shame but not surprising coming from that state.

This was a good article though.

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#22 Jun 13, 2012
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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Explain why when over half of the latinos in Arizona schools will not graduate and an even higher percentage cannot read, write or perform math at a grade school level we need to teach them "Hispanic" history so they can blame their ignorance on "gringos".
Link Please to verify your comment.

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#23 Jun 13, 2012
X -Man- wrote:
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You can "conclude" whatever you wish, it's doubtful to be a correct conclusion. You don't know anything of my "intelligence" so I wouldn't go there.
It sounds to me like there's a lot of bigotry going on in Arizona, so much that they're even censoring history now. What a shame but not surprising coming from that state.
This was a good article though.
I think I proved my point. And my conclusion is correct as verified by law. Just because you don't agree with the law or the history doesn't make you correct. And it doesn't make me or the people who agree with the laws bigots. The real shame is that you believe it is OK to practice (and teach) racism. Unless it's against you, of course.

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#24 Jun 13, 2012
AZPATRIOT wrote:
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I think I proved my point. And my conclusion is correct as verified by law. Just because you don't agree with the law or the history doesn't make you correct. And it doesn't make me or the people who agree with the laws bigots. The real shame is that you believe it is OK to practice (and teach) racism. Unless it's against you, of course.
I disagree, it doesn't surprise me at all that "the law" in a state like Arizona verified your conclusion. Just because you don't agree with my opinion of you and your state does not make me wrong either.

NO The REAL shame is that you don't know the difference between teaching racism, and teaching ABOUT racism. Teachers all over the U.S teach about racism and the civil rights movement, it's the same thing. Many schools teach about the Black panthers and their place in American History, it's no different. Sounds to me like they were teaching a point of view, not advocating that point of view, big difference.

These laws in Arizona just seem to be censorship plain and simple.

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