Mill Valley teacher quits amid STAR investigation

A popular Mill Valley elementary school teacher resigned Friday after what officials concluded was "adult testing irregularity" on her students' standardized test results. Full Story
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LOOKER

Newark, CA

#42 Feb 18, 2009
The school district may provide good education, but the other part is motivation. Has anyone ever come out of the school system except maybe a Realtor. All the well-known people who live here did not grow up here. These parents make such a big deal out of arts and the music. I'd like to know how many of them can afford to live here by making a living from arts and music and not by inheritance or family money.

As far as marin county, it has produced one Taliban recruit and the wife of the SF mayor.
TBone

San Rafael, CA

#43 Feb 18, 2009
Lets be fair wrote:
Come on Tbone, if it's such a great package why aren't you teaching? While I disagree with your earlier figuring of the annualized teacher's salary (they aren't making 113k, a point lost on HowTheyDoIt) and I think you're glossing over the fact that teachers have a very difficult and important job, I do agree with some of your points on merit vs. "hanging around" compensation to encourage more professionalism and better teaching. Change is slow to come in a system as huge as public education, but I think with the current economic situation and a growing public discussion of these issues an overhaul is coming.
Well they make the $85K or so which annualized is $113K given they only work 9 mos. I'm not a teacher because I own my own business. I see how hard people who work for me and the effort they put in to make over $100K, no different than most folks do. I'm not disrespecting teachers. But I am saying enough with the sympathy. Yes, it's a hard job. Most jobs that pay decently are, so they are not special in that respect. And let' face it, the hours are generally very predictable and great job security. The union protection will never change. Never. It's their security blanket.
Rational approach

San Anselmo, CA

#44 Feb 18, 2009
LBF, they have an important job that liberal courts and legislators have made much harder than necessary by removing most traces of reasonable discipline from the schools. Saying we need to pay them more is like saying we need to attract more people who don't really want to teach, but will do it if it pays more than checking groceries. No thank you. Until the schools can show that they really hire and keep only "good" teachers and get rid of the rest, no pay raises lest they go to jobseekers who are only money-grubbers.
Lets be fair

United States

#45 Feb 18, 2009
Rational Approach- I never advocated for pay increases, but rather a merit based pay structure to weed out those job seekers looking for a guaranteed career path as a teacher, which seems to be exactly what you are saying. As to your other points I have no idea what you are talking about with "liberal courts and legislatures".
Lets be fair

United States

#46 Feb 18, 2009
Calculating a 113k salary from the amount teachers actually are paid is like saying that A-Rod makes 56 million a year on an annualized salary, since he makes 28 million for the 6 months he works. Try finding a job for 6 weeks that will pay you 33k during the summer, you just can't annualize their salaries to inflate the numbers.
Rational approach

San Anselmo, CA

#47 Feb 18, 2009
LBF, I was saying that teachers and administrators can no longer use reasonable means to maintain discipline--they can't search lockers, they can't expell students without providing some "alternative" option for the real miscreants, they can't suspend students without tons of hearings, they can't bark back at students who call them by racial slurs, etc., etc.
TBone

San Rafael, CA

#48 Feb 18, 2009
Lets be fair wrote:
Calculating a 113k salary from the amount teachers actually are paid is like saying that A-Rod makes 56 million a year on an annualized salary, since he makes 28 million for the 6 months he works. Try finding a job for 6 weeks that will pay you 33k during the summer, you just can't annualize their salaries to inflate the numbers.
Actually it's not like ARod at all. Time off is a benefit. It needs to be valued. It's not free. Many people work ALL year with 2 weeks off for $85K. And many of them have jobs that are demanding and hard too. Some of them even do presentations 8 hours/day.

To be fair, teachers can work summer school for 6 weeks and get probably $10K more. So one can easily say that a veteran teacher CAN if they chose make $95K/year AND get 6 weeks vacation off as well. Thye also do not have to contribute to Social security so they aren;t getting ripped off there, they get pensions, very predictable hours, and subsidized health care both when they work and when they retire.

Good job, has it's plus and minuses like any other but pays fairly well considering. My point, which you seem to have missed, is let;s put an end to the tired, old, no longer applicable "teacher's are under paid" nonsense.
Whatever

San Rafael, CA

#49 Feb 18, 2009
"Whatever" happened to discussion of this teacher. Glad it's over and the dramatic overly involved, overly emotional "we just love our kids teacher" folks can go back to complaining about the school lunch menu or whatever they do.
Lets be fair

United States

#50 Feb 18, 2009
Fair enough, I can agree with many of those points. This has been a good discussion, but we've gotten ourselves quite a distance from the original article, haven't we?
How TheyDoIT

United States

#51 Feb 18, 2009
Lets be fair wrote:
Calculating a 113k salary from the amount teachers actually are paid is like saying that A-Rod makes 56 million a year on an annualized salary, since he makes 28 million for the 6 months he works. Try finding a job for 6 weeks that will pay you 33k during the summer, you just can't annualize their salaries to inflate the numbers.
HELLOOOO !! The Federal, State, County and Local governments are BROKE...not sort of..kind of .... maybe...BROKE. There are two factors..revenue and spending and of course the VALUE of what we spend our money on. The UNIONS (police, fire, teachers, UAW, civil servants) all depend on the private sector to MAKE money (aka revenue less expenses less taxes) and the burdens are so great..the borrowing and unfunded pensions (for life) so large...that the current mortgage crisis (abetted by Barney Frank, ACORN and Christopher Dodd..mandating housing loans to "disadvantaged applicants")..has put the US on the verge of insolvency. I would be so proud if we in this County could be the first to say..."enough" and right size our government and the unions, particularly public employee unions..who have absolutely buried us in debt with unfunded pension liabilities. We TAX the private sector to PAY the public employees and it seems to me the unions are saying forget whether you can TAX the private sector..just print more money and pay us our millions. It is as un American as I can imagine
new 2 Marin

San Rafael, CA

#52 Feb 18, 2009
TBone wrote:
<quoted text>
Please. They have VERY predictable hours. Even the harder working ones are in on a regular basis no earlier that 7:45 and except on rare occasion, nevr past 5 pm. Most are in RIGHT at the last minute required and out the door by 4:30 pm, many much earlier. Occassionally they might have to grade some tests or prepare at home, but if they've been teaching for years, generally they have it all down within 5 years and not much. Whatever extra time they spend is most certainly no more than anyone else with a white collar job and usually much, much less. As for retirement, I agree, retiring at 65 they probably get 60-70% of their last pay. As for contributing to that, they don't get forced into Social Security, so, they contribute mostly from what would have gone to SS, but for it they get a defined benefit, unlike the rest of us foreced in SS who will get 1/3 of the value, including not getting full value until late 60's and in a few year, probably 70's.
Of course they don't get FREE health care, but they get subsidized health care which is much more than the average Joe gets.
I'm not bashing teachers at all. I'm just pointing out "spare me" the "poor" teachers, they "don't get paid enough" lies. They get paid plenty and get a retirement and subsidized health care and, even though they are professionals, they are in a union and their jobs basically protected.

Hey Tbone, I just moved here and have been spending time reading the IJ to learn about my family's new home. Wow, you are commenting on everything. What do you do for a living? How do you know everything? I'm truly amazed at the breadth of your knowledge and experience.
TBone

San Rafael, CA

#53 Feb 19, 2009
new 2 Marin wrote:
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Hey Tbone, I just moved here and have been spending time reading the IJ to learn about my family's new home. Wow, you are commenting on everything. What do you do for a living? How do you know everything? I'm truly amazed at the breadth of your knowledge and experience.
Your sarcasm is obvious. These boards are for opinion. If you have one of your own, please express it.
LOOKER

Oakland, CA

#54 Feb 19, 2009
I am no psychologist, but I doubt that was the only time this teacher cheated on her students' score sheets. She just got bolder. Wonder if the STAR testers will look at prior tests adminstered by this teacher.
Whatever

San Rafael, CA

#55 Feb 20, 2009
I'd say let it rest. Enough. CLEARLY she cheated. The review indicates that. Too bad. She was a good teacher who fell prey to her ego and for some reason thought STAR test results were indicative of her "great" status, not satisfied with good feedback from parents.

I wish her well, chastened for her actions. I hope she gets another job as a teacher. I knew her when my child went to Maguire as a good teacher who cared. Someone should hire her (not in Marin County) and give her a class with no STAR testing then give her a chance. No reason to destroy a life over this. But she'd have to admit it first.
Fred

Hayward, CA

#56 Feb 3, 2012
mattoid66 of San Rafael wrote:
Get the government out of education all together. Disband the teacher's union.
Privatization would promote competition which, in turn, would produce a better education system.
I went to Jameson Hall in San Rafael in the 70's. My folks paid a pretty penny for it so they took way more of an interest in my studies. The teachers and students instilled a sense of shame if you didn't show any effort. When I went to TLHS I was given the EXACT SAME TEXT BOOKS that I used in 7th grade!
Why is Calif. 48 out of 50? Because public schools have become not only a publicly funded baby sitting service but because of fear of litigation, teachers can't force any discipline.
A majority of kids I know have no knowledge of history or perspective. It's really pathetic.
I went to Jameson Hall at the same time. Excellent school! It would be great if all parents valued education like ours did, but they don't. Also, our parents could afford JH, and most couldn't, which may explain why the site is now a self-storage facility.

Public schools can't pick and choose their students like private schools. Nonetheless, it would be nice to implement some of the successful policies from Jameson Hall in public schools, but it would be expensive.
Tania Rodrigues

La Jolla, CA

#57 Feb 17, 2013
mattoid66 of San Rafael wrote:
Get the government out of education all together. Disband the teacher's union.
Privatization would promote competition which, in turn, would produce a better education system.
I went to Jameson Hall in San Rafael in the 70's. My folks paid a pretty penny for it so they took way more of an interest in my studies. The teachers and students instilled a sense of shame if you didn't show any effort. When I went to TLHS I was given the EXACT SAME TEXT BOOKS that I used in 7th grade!
Why is Calif. 48 out of 50? Because public schools have become not only a publicly funded baby sitting service but because of fear of litigation, teachers can't force any discipline.
A majority of kids I know have no knowledge of history or perspective. It's really pathetic.
Hi!
I went to Jameson Hall too.. In 1973.
Who are you?

Tania Rodrigues
Tania9@mac.com

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