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Kasich plan would let parents overhaul failing schools | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 114 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Apr 3, 2011, titled Kasich plan would let parents overhaul failing schools | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Can't fix failing schools? Parents could get tough on Ohio's districts. Gov. John Kasich's budget plan would give parents the power to force radical changes on chronically underperforming schools.

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Pan Tadeusz

Columbus, OH

#1 Apr 3, 2011
If the parents took the time it would take to reorganize a school and put that effort into the current school...and their children's school work...the current school probably wouldn't be failing. BTW if the parents' initiative does not create a better school, who gets to pull the trigger next?
Christopher Mullen

Reynoldsburg, OH

#3 Apr 3, 2011
Again, this govenor doesn't get it about doing what is in the best interest of the people of this state. He is anti-public and has no other agenda than to close all public schools. He sees all students with equal abilities and he does not realize the harm he will do to students who requires unconventional type educational process.
Karri

Columbus, OH

#4 Apr 3, 2011
Of course this is all based on test scores. Just what we want - classrooms where all that is done is teaching to take a test. What will happen to spontaneity? Teachable moments? How boring..I would venture to say test scores will go down if this is the option.
Not a teacher

Chillicothe, OH

#5 Apr 3, 2011
The proposal is idiotic. Most students come up short because of their parents, not the teachers. Teachers shouldn't be responsible for raising the children. If parents want to spoil little Johnny or Jill, or just can't be bothered with disciplining them and making them work, why should the teachers be blamed? Bring back corporal punishment!
QUESTION

Columbus, OH

#6 Apr 3, 2011
So what happens when the pay per pupil is not sufficent to hire well qualified teachers at a decent wage? Do they now hire "rookie" teachers at a beginners wage? Then what happens when the "rookie" teachers don't work out? There is always going to be a group of parents that aren't satisfied. What will be the criteria for accepting children into the school? Is it still all of the children in that particular school district. If so, what happens when Johnny still isn't performing up to par and his parents don't seem to care?

I agree with several posts. Teaching needs to be spontaneous - not teaching just for test scores. Parents need to be responsible for raising and disciplining their own children and leave teaching to the teachers.

There has to be a better way.
In P-town

Sunbury, OH

#7 Apr 3, 2011
Something had to be done. The schools are horrible in performance. The teachers need to go back to teaching and stop taking so many days off, extended weekends and letting kids sit and watch movies all day. And yeah the parents need to work with their kids more. Teaching them things like....not to be a bully, please dont shoot your brother, please dont steal the neighbors tv...and so on. We just need more accountability all around. Go John....Get r Done!
In P-town

Sunbury, OH

#8 Apr 3, 2011
Not a teacher wrote:
The proposal is idiotic. Most students come up short because of their parents, not the teachers. Teachers shouldn't be responsible for raising the children. If parents want to spoil little Johnny or Jill, or just can't be bothered with disciplining them and making them work, why should the teachers be blamed? Bring back corporal punishment!
You sure sound like a teacher. Your right teachers should be responsible for teaching....doesnt seem to be a lot of that going on now a days. Too many sick, personal and vacation days to be serious about a teaching plan.
In P-town

Sunbury, OH

#9 Apr 3, 2011
Too many sick, personal and vacation days to have a serious teaching plan.
barb

Westerville, OH

#10 Apr 3, 2011
Too many hot heads.. There would be so many problems that it would not help our children's education.
tom the traveler

Cass City, MI

#11 Apr 3, 2011
Pan Tadeusz wrote:
If the parents took the time it would take to reorganize a school and put that effort into the current school...and their children's school work...the current school probably wouldn't be failing. BTW if the parents' initiative does not create a better school, who gets to pull the trigger next?
You are wrong. The entrenched bureaucracy at the school will fight you tooth and nail over any changes regardless of what the parents do.

You have to remove the bereacracy first, then the parents will be able to reform it.
tom the traveler

Cass City, MI

#12 Apr 3, 2011
Not a teacher wrote:
The proposal is idiotic. Most students come up short because of their parents, not the teachers....
I agree. Most teachers are mediocre meaning they have little impact. The good ones should get raises, the bad need to be fired and the mediocre just keep doing what they are doing.

This is exactly what SB5 attempts to do. That is reward for excellence and not for just being mediocre and putting in your time.
Rex

Findlay, OH

#13 Apr 3, 2011
Seems like a lot of responsibilities, considering Mr. Mullen lightening up the start of opinions.
1. Home schooling with proper computer software. With facility group activities through church or "studio base-class atmospheres" similar to PBS learning.
2. Reminder, of course some parents have not obtained an education due to the work class. So some faculty is going to have to "endure" teamwork.
3. Aggression (trigger force)is not needed to get a school motivated towards change or applying different activities.
4. Children indeed need different attention to obtaining multiple studies and perspectives,books are still going to be key (essential) through this digital age.
thanks for reading.
Thrusty Rhodes

Newport, KY

#14 Apr 3, 2011
All inbred robots like "In P-town" need to be critically silenced. Allowing tools to speak leads to a shiot-storm no God can stop. This is not limiting Freedom of Speech, this is educating the schmucks.

So; too many sick days must mean you think the teachers are good enough, they just have the ability to call off work too often for your liking. Since it's called collective bargaining, somebody must have signed off on these sick days. There's your new target, dumbo. Don't hate the players, hate the game. Just because you make meth for a living, does not give you the right to deny others for desiring a better lifestyle.

Dear "In P-town", I know where your TV remote has gone. Up your down door. That's why every time you toot, the channel changes. You're welcome!
delhoghe

Belpre, OH

#15 Apr 3, 2011
Kasich needs to combine some of his proposals. For instance...he could privatize the prison system which will furlough prison guards and free them up to guard teachers to prevent them from taking vacations, holidays, and rest breaks. And then, the prisons could be used for a private education firm to use inmates as teachers to scare the children straight. He could also deport all of those white unionized policemen, firefighters, and road construction crews to the U.K. and replace them with hard working low wage earning Mexican immigrants. This would send a message to Wisconsin and Michigan that we will not be beaten in a race to the bottom.
asd432

Jackson, OH

#16 Apr 3, 2011
It's not the teachers he is after, Lets see in Columbus Dr. Gene Harris makes how many $100,000 a year to run a failing school. With how many deputies and vice supers???? How many principals and vice principals?? And on and on. How many people are we paying 100K + a year NOT to teach??
gumezin

Bellefontaine, OH

#17 Apr 3, 2011
Draconian, thy name is reform.
The Truth

Columbus, OH

#18 Apr 4, 2011
Thrusty Rhodes wrote:
All inbred robots like "In P-town" need to be critically silenced. Allowing tools to speak leads to a shiot-storm no God can stop. This is not limiting Freedom of Speech, this is educating the schmucks.
So; too many sick days must mean you think the teachers are good enough, they just have the ability to call off work too often for your liking. Since it's called collective bargaining, somebody must have signed off on these sick days. There's your new target, dumbo. Don't hate the players, hate the game. Just because you make meth for a living, does not give you the right to deny others for desiring a better lifestyle.
Dear "In P-town", I know where your TV remote has gone. Up your down door. That's why every time you toot, the channel changes. You're welcome!
That's just the problem....the "people" that signed off on this "collective bargaining" were not you employers! They were a bunch of bureaucrats that are a part of a failed system. They are bullied by the OEA/NEA thugs (legalized extortion). Teachers seem to forget that their employers are the taxpayers. And taxpayers are fed up with the failing education system! School funding isn't the biggest problem facing our schools...its the school administrators & teaching staff. A new day is dawning where administrators & faculty are going to be held responsible for the piss poor job they are doing. Get ready!

Calling others names just shows how immature you are...that sets a good example for students. And yes it does give us the right to deny you an untenable lifestyle.....WE ARE YOUR BOSS & we are tired of paying the bill for poor performance.
unfair

Lucasville, OH

#19 Apr 4, 2011
In P-town wrote:
Too many sick, personal and vacation days to have a serious teaching plan.
What's with you and the "too many sick and personal days"? Are you keeping a state-wide tally on this? You have the data available, or are you just shooting from the hip on this one?....
unfair

Reynoldsburg, OH

#20 Apr 4, 2011
tom the traveler wrote:
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I agree. Most teachers are mediocre meaning they have little impact. The good ones should get raises, the bad need to be fired and the mediocre just keep doing what they are doing.
This is exactly what SB5 attempts to do. That is reward for excellence and not for just being mediocre and putting in your time.
Most teachers? MOST? So, you've sat in on the classes of the majority of the teachers in the state of Ohio, and you've come up with this brilliant analysis. Please, post a link to your data, so that we may ALL be privy to your well-researched conclusion that MOST teachers are mediocre.

Stick to something you know, like Ohio State football.
Chuck

Columbus, OH

#21 Apr 4, 2011
As disclosure on an teacher quoted in this article:

Scott DiMauro's salary is $84,541 for 7.25 hours a day for 185 days a year. Pro-rated for a 2080 hour work year, this equates to $130,255. His yearly pension estimate is $55,797.

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