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New state budget: School vouchers more than double | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 131 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Jul 2, 2011, titled New state budget: School vouchers more than double | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Instead of turning away some of the students who want to use tax dollars to attend private school this year, the state is making thousands more vouchers available.

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#127 Jul 3, 2011
Among the key findings of this report:

- According to the BLS, the average public school teacher in the United States earned $34.06 per hour in 2005.

- The average public school teacher was paid 36% more per hour than the average non-sales white-collar worker and 11% more than the average professional specialty and technical worker.

- Full-time public school teachers work on average 36.5 hours per week during weeks that they are working. By comparison, white-collar workers (excluding sales) work 39.4 hours, and professional specialty and technical workers work 39.0 hours per week. Private school teachers work 38.3 hours per week.

- Compared with public school teachers, editors and reporters earn 24% less; architects, 11% less; psychologists, 9% less; chemists, 5% less; mechanical engineers, 6% less; and economists, 1% less.

- Compared with public school teachers, airplane pilots earn 186% more; physicians, 80% more; lawyers, 49% more; nuclear engineers, 17% more; actuaries, 9% more; and physicists, 3% more.

- Public school teachers are paid 61% more per hour than private school teachers, on average nationwide.

- The Detroit metropolitan area has the highest average public school teacher pay among metropolitan areas for which data are available, at $47.28 per hour, followed by the San Francisco metropolitan area at $46.70 per hour, and the New York metropolitan area at $45.79 per hour.

- We find no evidence that average teacher pay relative to that of other white-collar or professional specialty workers is related to high school graduation rates in the metropolitan area.

Wooster, OH

#128 Jul 3, 2011
NW Leo wrote:
The expansion in public money diverted to for-profit charter schools is nothing more than payoff to David L. Brennan and his ilk.
You are so very right. Profit-making efforts do not belong in education, Brennan is under investigation as of now..
Love Fest

Zanesville, OH

#129 Jul 5, 2011
Hey moron,

100% of the schools that qualify for vouchers are failing.

Team Al wrote:
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I am not a "she," I am a he... I have been posting on here for quite a while, and have yet to parrot a union talking point. I have, even, recommended some ideas concerning teacher merit pay... hardly a union talking point, huh??? Oh... I don't belong to a union.
Now to the issue at hand. You are misrepresenting the facts, which isn't surprising to me on these sites. About 20% of the charter schools in the entire state have an effective rating. That means 80% are failing... which means they are poor educational institutions, at best. About 70% of the public schools in the entire state have an effective rating. That means only 30% fit in the category that you have talked about. If a school is "failing," as you say urban schools are, there should be some serious discussion of the solution. Yes, new ideas, parent input, creative teaching solutions, etc... Oddly... what is happening, is this illustrious governor, and this legislature, are taking money from one failing system (your urban school paradigm) and throwing it at another, equally failing system, charter schools. Hardly logical. No emotion necessary to figure out the reason money is flowing to a failing charter school system... friends who want more money from legislators, so they give big donations. This is not a good way to make legislative decisions.
Love Fest

Zanesville, OH

#130 Jul 5, 2011
All these idiots opposed to vouchers, I have a plan that saves public schools!!!

Every kid in a failing school can swap with your kid. The ghetto kid will take your kid's spot in the burbs and your precious baby can go to the failing public school in the hood.

Team Al

Upper Sandusky, OH

#131 Jul 5, 2011
Love Fest wrote:
All these idiots opposed to vouchers, I have a plan that saves public schools!!!
Every kid in a failing school can swap with your kid. The ghetto kid will take your kid's spot in the burbs and your precious baby can go to the failing public school in the hood.
I never said that I was opposed to vouchers... so the name calling has proven nothing but your inability to carry on a civil conversation. I am not afraid of competition... bring on the vouchers... bring on the competition... I simply said that taking money from failing school systems in order to fund failing charter schools is a poor decision, at best.
By the way, on these blogs... I have also shared some ideas concerning teacher merit pay, encouraging parent involvement, and schools participating in community outreaches. I actually do these things, idiot though I may be...
Allow me to encourage you to entertain your cognitive self rather than your emotional self when responding the next time; you will be taken more seriously by all.
Just the Facts

Columbus, OH

#132 Jul 6, 2011
Love Fest wrote:
Hey moron,
100% of the schools that qualify for vouchers are failing.
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I will compare Catholic School scores, college success, or ANY other measurement against the Public School dollar any time any dime. Yep, even students with disabilities!
Catholic School voucher programs consistently provide higher success educational results than the current public school monopoly.

Just the Facts.
Please name calling only reflects on yourself.
Love Fest

Zanesville, OH

#133 Jul 6, 2011
I'm not inclined to be nice on this issue

Failing schools have no claim to the students. Our obligation is to the kids. If the school can't do it, they can pound sand until they figure it out. How many years should poor kids NOT get educated and promoted/pushed through the school until they figure it out?

Give the kids a voucher and let them go to parochial schools where they'll actually get a decent education


#134 Jul 6, 2011
All of you are turning the same wheels and your debates never get to the heart of the issue...

In any given year, why do many school districts' students always perform well, and other districts always perform poorly?

Also, why has the quality of urban or inner-city education continued to decline during the past 30 to 40 years and allowed to continue to do so?

Pickerington, OH

#135 Jul 8, 2011
What Do YOU Think wrote:
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But don 't these private (parochial) schools cost LESS per pupil than the under-performing Columbus public schools? Sounds like a great way to SAVE money. And as for the religious indoctrination, chances are pretty good that the children being sent to these schools have already been indoctrinated.
Yes, because public dollars already subsidize services for private school students, and these costs don't show up on the private schools' expenses. For example, look into public school employees assigned to private schools to provide special services. Also, ask your school district how many bus routes they run to transport private school students. Bet you didn't know public school systems were required to provide transportation for private school students, did you? In some cases, the public school runs more routes for private school students than they do for the students attending their own schools. Those costs show up on the public school ledgers, thereby inflating their cost-per-pupil while supporting private education.

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#136 Jul 9, 2011
From what I have read and know there is no easy solution and neither way is great.. Home schooling with performance tests every 6 months, no passing them (two failed tests and back into public school) back into pub school.. If I had any kids, I would want to home school them rather than leave it up to others ollecting a paycheck to school them in what they thought was right and well as what the public school system sees as the truth in history and politics..

Columbus, OH

#137 Jul 9, 2011
These vouchers will give a bright student who is not challenged in the public school system a chance to developed more rapidly in a private/catholic school where the standards are higher and the students more engaged. These parents pay taxes to, they should have a right to choice.

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