The Mail, May 1

The Mail, May 1

There are 26 comments on the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story from Apr 30, 2009, titled The Mail, May 1. In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

Re: "Liberals share talk, drinks" March 8. Wow, a front-page story about liberals sipping drinks in bars while complaining about Republican politics.

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SAW

Diamond Bar, CA

#1 Apr 30, 2009
Mr. Murray: I know nothing about party afflliation of Bernie Madoff, but why should I be embarrassed if he were of rhe same party as I. Are you embarrased that George Bush is a conservative republican? I am well aware of the "Solid South" of the past. It looks like they decided in subsequent years that their racist, bigoted views were more suited to the other party, so they changed their affliciations. Are you embarrased about that?

The problem of unwed mothers in this country is a huge one. It is foolish to blame the democrats or any other party. This is a problem that should be solved in a bi-partisan manner. It would help if the conservatives would get over the idea that teaching abstinence-only has not and never will be successful. All jr. high and high school youths should be required to receive comprehensive sex education including the use of contraceptives.

The marchers in Oakland were protesting what they perceived as mistreatment of blacks--not the deaths of the four police officers--silly as it sounds.

I do not belong to any democratic drinking club, but I doubt that they are just sitting around complaining about the republicans. I hope they are talking about ways to participate in helping this country and supporting our leaders.
SAW

Diamond Bar, CA

#2 Apr 30, 2009
Mr. Novak: If all of your ranting is helping your blood pressure, so be it. I hope you don't spend all your waking hours worrying about Obama. Its not healthy.
Jimmy

Ontario, CA

#3 Apr 30, 2009
SAW wrote:
Mr. Murray: I know nothing about party afflliation of Bernie Madoff, but why should I be embarrassed if he were of rhe same party as I. Are you embarrased that George Bush is a conservative republican? I am well aware of the "Solid South" of the past. It looks like they decided in subsequent years that their racist, bigoted views were more suited to the other party, so they changed their affliciations. Are you embarrased about that?
The problem of unwed mothers in this country is a huge one. It is foolish to blame the democrats or any other party. This is a problem that should be solved in a bi-partisan manner. It would help if the conservatives would get over the idea that teaching abstinence-only has not and never will be successful. All jr. high and high school youths should be required to receive comprehensive sex education including the use of contraceptives.
The marchers in Oakland were protesting what they perceived as mistreatment of blacks--not the deaths of the four police officers--silly as it sounds.
I do not belong to any democratic drinking club, but I doubt that they are just sitting around complaining about the republicans. I hope they are talking about ways to participate in helping this country and supporting our leaders.
Name a school, outside of religious schools that teach abstinence only? I'll bet you cannot. Yet you blame conservatives for supporting that concept. BTW George W. Bush was only a moderate republican. If he was conservative he would have never partnered up with Teddy Kennedy for this bogus No Child Left Behind act, wouldn't have touched the Medicare Prescription Bill that is another liberal joke, and NEVER would have joined Obama with the bail out bills, the so called stimulus bills, and the Wall St. and Auto bailouts. When you complain about GWB incessantly, remember that your President voted for these bills just like he voted in the Illinois legislature to allow a baby that survived a botched abortion to die alone on the table without resuscitation.
SAW

Diamond Bar, CA

#4 Apr 30, 2009
Jimmy, I don't spend all my waking hours looking up this stuff. I depend on the media and all you other people who are consummed 24/7 to give me some facts. I would never have known Madoff's political leanings unless this letter writer mentioned it--like that makes all other democrats guilty of something. We all know that there is a wide divide between the republicans and the democrats on the issue of how to prevent teenage pregnancy. I think it is pretty much agreed in public circles that the republicans are very resistant to comprehensive sex education in favor of abstinance only. So GWB was only a moderate--so what? He was still doing the conservative's bidding, even if he was partnering with the opposite side on other issues, as you charge. He was the man who signed the bills. I cannot speak to the abortion situation you are blaming on Obama in Illinois. As far as incessantly complaining about GWB, you are pointing a finger at the wrong person, because I have never done that; I sometimes search for a little come back to the likes of the angry men here. You all need to lighten up a little. You act like you think Obama is in some kind of conspiracy where secret forces are all coming to get us. Surely you can find something good about him if you try. You better, because it is going to be a long road to recovery.
Larry Hernandez

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#5 May 1, 2009
As an occasional member of the Drinking Liberally chapter that meets at the Bulldog Pub in North Upland every Monday at 7:30 pm I want to thank Dana Murray for the extra publicity. If Dana would stop by one Monday night, Dana would find that we don't spend all the time complaining about Republicans, especially in Washington. We talk a lot about local politics, about various causes we like, about matters having nothing to do with partisan politics. And we talk about the stuff of friendship.
We don't spend the night printing up reverse-Obama Bucks like the local GOP does, nor do we spend lots of time complaining about or demonizing groups of people we really don't know anything at all about, e.g. Blacks, Muslims, immigrants, Latinos, union-members, anyone who isn't a fundamentalist or right-winger. We even have nice things to say about Republicans we know, like and respect.
We'll buy you a beer or a Coke, if you abstain. Stop by and learn something beyond what Hannity and Rush cram into your mind.
And SAW, you're welcome too. If you can't make it to Upland, try googling "Drinking Liberally" and you'll find a search feature that will locate a nearby chapter.
David

Seattle, WA

#6 May 1, 2009
Obama is a piece of ****! He bashes our country while kissing *** to foreign leaders. Obama will serve one-term and go down worse than Jimmy Carter.
SAW

Diamond Bar, CA

#7 May 1, 2009
David wrote:
Obama is a piece of ****! He bashes our country while kissing *** to foreign leaders. Obama will serve one-term and go down worse than Jimmy Carter.
Sorry David. Obama was elected. You are going to get awfully tired of listening to yourself spew that hateful stuff for the next four years.
Jimmy

Ontario, CA

#8 May 1, 2009
SAW wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry David. Obama was elected. You are going to get awfully tired of listening to yourself spew that hateful stuff for the next four years.
62 million people voted "against" Obama. Half of the country is tired of his crap already. Now that the enemy knows he will serve ice cream to entice them to give up information,attacks on our soil will be forthcoming..........WATCH OUT.
Jimmy

Ontario, CA

#9 May 2, 2009
SAW wrote:
Jimmy, I don't spend all my waking hours looking up this stuff. I depend on the media and all you other people who are consummed 24/7 to give me some facts. I would never have known Madoff's political leanings unless this letter writer mentioned it--like that makes all other democrats guilty of something. We all know that there is a wide divide between the republicans and the democrats on the issue of how to prevent teenage pregnancy. I think it is pretty much agreed in public circles that the republicans are very resistant to comprehensive sex education in favor of abstinance only. So GWB was only a moderate--so what? He was still doing the conservative's bidding, even if he was partnering with the opposite side on other issues, as you charge. He was the man who signed the bills. I cannot speak to the abortion situation you are blaming on Obama in Illinois. As far as incessantly complaining about GWB, you are pointing a finger at the wrong person, because I have never done that; I sometimes search for a little come back to the likes of the angry men here. You all need to lighten up a little. You act like you think Obama is in some kind of conspiracy where secret forces are all coming to get us. Surely you can find something good about him if you try. You better, because it is going to be a long road to recovery.
I do not spend "all day" looking up this stuff. I simply read a lot. Additionally I don't get my information from guys like Keith Obberman. Facts are like kryptonite to the left. You guys hear something, then your non= logical side goes wild like teen age girls and your minds convert it to truth. I'll find you the references to Obama's 2 votes in the state legislature to allow baby humans that survived botched abortions to die instead of being revived. You will never find this stuff in the main stream media. BTW I had no clue of Madoff's affiliation.
Jimmy

Ontario, CA

#10 May 2, 2009
SAW her a a narrative of a nurse from a Chicago hospital in 1999. Look up BAIPA, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act of which Obama voted AGAINST twice as a state legislator.
As a nurse at an Illinois hospital in 1999, I discovered babies were being aborted alive and shelved to die in soiled utility rooms. I discovered infanticide.

Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.

BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother’s right to “choose” stopped at her baby’s delivery.

The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002.

But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.

I testified in 2001 and 2002 before a committee of which Obama was a member.

Obama articulately worried that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women’s rights or abortionists’ rights. Obama’s clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me. I was naive back then. Obama voted against the measure, twice. It ultimately failed.

In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA was sent, Obama stopped it from even getting a hearing, shelving it to die much like babies were still being shelved to die in Illinois hospitals and abortion clinics.

(As chair of that same committee, Obama once abruptly ended a hearing early, right before Scott and Janet Willis, the parents of six children killed as a result of Illinois’ drivers licenses for bribes scandal, were to testify in favor of Choose Life license plate legislation. I was there for that one, too. The Willises had traveled three hours. Reporters filled the room. Obama stalled. He later killed the bill when no one was around.)
Jimmy

Ontario, CA

#11 May 2, 2009
Sorry,it should start out SAW here is a narrative.....
SAW

Claremont, CA

#12 May 2, 2009
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>I do not spend "all day" looking up this stuff. I simply read a lot. Additionally I don't get my information from guys like Keith Obberman. Facts are like kryptonite to the left. You guys hear something, then your non= logical side goes wild like teen age girls and your minds convert it to truth. I'll find you the references to Obama's 2 votes in the state legislature to allow baby humans that survived botched abortions to die instead of being revived. You will never find this stuff in the main stream media. BTW I had no clue of Madoff's affiliation.
I watch Ohlberman when I can and I also listen to Hannity and Levin when I'm out driving. Those two are always good for a laugh. I'm not afraid to watch and/or listen to all the talking heads.
SAW

Claremont, CA

#13 May 2, 2009
Jimmy wrote:
Sorry,it should start out SAW here is a narrative.....
I don't have time to read everything. I would be aghast at any situation involving botched abortion and abuse of children. We are awash in a sea of problems, and we can't discount population explosion which should be stopped before it ever happens. I'm sure if I were sitting face to face with Obama, he would be telling his side of that particular incident from a completely different angle. It bemuses me that we never hear the people who are continually shouting about abortion saying anything about the multitudes of homeless on our streets--90,000 daily in Los Angeles. I would rather we tried to save them than to kill all we have killed in our wars.
SAW

Claremont, CA

#14 May 2, 2009
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>62 million people voted "against" Obama. Half of the country is tired of his crap already. Now that the enemy knows he will serve ice cream to entice them to give up information,attacks on our soil will be forthcoming..........WATCH OUT.
That is a normal presidential election isn't it? If I remember correctly, Gore had more popular vote than Bush did in 2000. I don't know what alternative "crap" Obama could be using, considering the state of this country when he took office--do you? If you can come up with a solution, run with it.
Jimmy

Ontario, CA

#15 May 2, 2009
SAW wrote:
<quoted text> That is a normal presidential election isn't it? If I remember correctly, Gore had more popular vote than Bush did in 2000. I don't know what alternative "crap" Obama could be using, considering the state of this country when he took office--do you? If you can come up with a solution, run with it.
Very true, but if Gore had won his own state he would have won. No one in history has ever lost his home state and won election, at least back to Lincoln in 1860. Then Bush handily beat Kerry in 2004. The fact is is that half of the populace doesn't like Obama, and you guys act like you have a mandate. The only way you can get anything done is through slight of hand in congress. Remember the recent bailout bill, Obama said time is of the essence, we must pass it now, or the economy will self destruct? He hadn't even read the damn thing, then signed it with little debate, then was appalled that AIG got bonuses, in the bill HE SIGNED! This guy is a neophyte that can only read off a teleprompter, give flowing speeches and push the socialist agenda.

If you are aghast at leaving children to die as Obama voted, why don't you look into it? If you think that he or anyone can explain away leaving a born baby (human), to die on a shelf or a table, then I am speechless. Bet you wouldn't let a puppy die like that.

As far as the number of people killed in wars are concerned, over 40 million babies have been aborted since 1973..........wars don't even come close.
SAW

Claremont, CA

#16 May 2, 2009
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>Very true, but if Gore had won his own state he would have won. No one in history has ever lost his home state and won election, at least back to Lincoln in 1860. Then Bush handily beat Kerry in 2004. The fact is is that half of the populace doesn't like Obama, and you guys act like you have a mandate. The only way you can get anything done is through slight of hand in congress. Remember the recent bailout bill, Obama said time is of the essence, we must pass it now, or the economy will self destruct? He hadn't even read the damn thing, then signed it with little debate, then was appalled that AIG got bonuses, in the bill HE SIGNED! This guy is a neophyte that can only read off a teleprompter, give flowing speeches and push the socialist agenda.
If you are aghast at leaving children to die as Obama voted, why don't you look into it? If you think that he or anyone can explain away leaving a born baby (human), to die on a shelf or a table, then I am speechless. Bet you wouldn't let a puppy die like that.
As far as the number of people killed in wars are concerned, over 40 million babies have been aborted since 1973..........wars don't even come close.
Because, Jimmy, I am not young, and I cannot save the world. I do not like abortion but we cannot go back to the days when women went to the back room butchers; we cannot handle the population explosion if the alternative is to ban abortions outright. As I see it,the only answer is education and more education.
Jimmy

Ontario, CA

#17 May 2, 2009
SAW wrote:
<quoted text> Because, Jimmy, I am not young, and I cannot save the world. I do not like abortion but we cannot go back to the days when women went to the back room butchers; we cannot handle the population explosion if the alternative is to ban abortions outright. As I see it,the only answer is education and more education.
Killing a baby is killing a baby. There will be a population explosion if abortion is banned, there for kill babies to for stabilization?.........Oh the logic of the left.
SAW

Claremont, CA

#18 May 2, 2009
Jimmy, I agree that it was regrettable that Gore could not win his own state. I wish Gore had won in 2000, because I don't believe that we would have gone through this war if he had been. I do remember hearing Bush state that his 2004 re-election had given him political capital, and he intended to use it. He did not use it very wisely did he?

This time, we had a choice between two people--one a fresh, young newcomer who seemed pretty smart, and one old guy who had left his first wife for a new, younger model. McCain had written in his own memoir that he craved attention and being idolized. His choosing Sara Palin for VP was very telling about how desperate he was to be President.

So, we had a choice to make and the choice was Obama. You accuse us of "crowing". No one is crowing, no one is happy. I, for one, have put my faith in Obama helping this country more than he will hurt it, and that is the bottom line.
SAW

Claremont, CA

#19 May 2, 2009
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>Killing a baby is killing a baby. There will be a population explosion if abortion is banned, there for kill babies to for stabilization?.........Oh the logic of the left.
You always have to put your own spin on the words of others. I do not advocate killing babies. I advocate education to prevent babies being conceived in the first place, if there is no committed relationship between the two people doing the conceiving.

For one thing, the Catholic church could relax their ban against artificial birth control. The Pope has even refused to endorse the use of condoms in Africa where people are getting AIDs by the thousands due to unprotected sex and then passing the disease on to unborn babies.(I was raised as a Catholic by the way. Anyone can change his ideology, if he is not afraid to face the facts.)
SAW

Claremont, CA

#23 May 2, 2009
Wall, I must say, I am a little concerned about Sara. Hope she is really in OK.

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