Between a charter and a hard place

Between a charter and a hard place

There are 23 comments on the Evening Sun story from Mar 31, 2010, titled Between a charter and a hard place. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

Pennsylvania's charter-school law is supposed to foster innovation in education and create opportunities for students that wouldn't be available otherwise in public schools.

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Lucian

Chambersburg, PA

#1 Mar 31, 2010
Yes folks, our taxes are in fact going to fund private schools. I have nothing against both the Vita and Montessori Schools. But they are in fact private specialized institutions and should provide for their own financing. This is simply wrong.
parent of GASD students

Spring Grove, PA

#2 Mar 31, 2010
AMEN! WELL SAID! So while the Montessori school will be using tax dollars to add playground equipment,technology and the arts to their school all of those things may be slowly dissappearing from the public schools because of lack of funds! Thank you charter schools.
Les

Baltimore, MD

#3 Mar 31, 2010
I hate to say it, but the charter schools don't make the rules about how taxpayer funds are distributed to them. And can anyone blame a parent for NOT wanting to send their kids to public schools? Many have marginal ability to actually educate, yet they often excell at indoctrination that is in opposition with good parenting.
And

Saxton, PA

#4 Mar 31, 2010
I am 100% for Charter Schools! They are the best thing to happen to public education in Pennsylvania in decades.
Native Son

Reading, PA

#5 Mar 31, 2010
This is all part of the "we is entitled" program and is what redistribution of the wealth is all about.
Hanover Resident

Hanover, PA

#6 Mar 31, 2010
Charter Schooling is really a great thing. There are children that need the extra help the parents can help them instead of being a spectator. Children who are also advanced can also work at their own pace.The problem with this world gripes when both parents work and no one is home with these kids and when you have parents that decided to stay home and give things up to raise their children to be respectfull and worry about their education people still complain about something. In their eyes "normal" is getting on that yellow bus and going to school and if not its just not right. My kids are doing better in charter school then they did with regular school because I can take the time they need to help them understand.
Lee

Spring Grove, PA

#7 Apr 1, 2010
The article mentioned that private schools do not need to follow the same rules as public ones. This is true. However now that the Montessori school is public it will have to follow the same rules and regulations as any other state school.

Native Sun, please explain how this is redistribution of wealth. Whether the money is going to the main school district or the charter one, those who have more money and more property will pay more. That hasn't changed. Everyone has the same option to attend a charter school.
layed back

Carlisle, PA

#8 Apr 1, 2010
Lee wrote:
The article mentioned that private schools do not need to follow the same rules as public ones. This is true. However now that the Montessori school is public it will have to follow the same rules and regulations as any other state school.
Native Sun, please explain how this is redistribution of wealth. Whether the money is going to the main school district or the charter one, those who have more money and more property will pay more. That hasn't changed. Everyone has the same option to attend a charter school.
the montessori school will Not have to follow the same rules as public schools.
1) their teachers will not have to be certified in their subjects.
2) if they have a problem or disruptive student --- send them back to public school
and let them deal with them.
3) they do not have to deal with unions and gauranteed teacher's pension funds.
4) no teacher tenure ---- got a bad teacher, just fire them.
5) no state mandates or mandated testing.
6) when remolding or adapting a school building you only have to deal with labor and
industry laws not MANDATED department of education laws.
7) you are not required to support another school.
the above are just a few of the reasons public schools are struggling and charter schools and montessori school make it look easy.
Montessori parent

Littlestown, PA

#9 Apr 1, 2010
layed back wrote:
<quoted text>
the montessori school will Not have to follow the same rules as public schools.
1) their teachers will not have to be certified in their subjects.
2) if they have a problem or disruptive student --- send them back to public school
and let them deal with them.
3) they do not have to deal with unions and gauranteed teacher's pension funds.
4) no teacher tenure ---- got a bad teacher, just fire them.
5) no state mandates or mandated testing.
6) when remolding or adapting a school building you only have to deal with labor and
industry laws not MANDATED department of education laws.
7) you are not required to support another school.
the above are just a few of the reasons public schools are struggling and charter schools and montessori school make it look easy.
item
1 WRONG have to hired certified teachers,
2 Wrong work with child to adjust behavior -- read Montessori method of educating children.
3 Well the teachers will probably be paid same, but they will be graduates from colleges that develope Montessori method teachers.
4 good idea if we have to.
5 as a state department of education chartered school there are benchmarks that must be met, Montessori method usually has the child above those levels.
6 all charter schools guided and regulated by state dept of education.
7 GASD is using some areas of Montessori method in k - 3rd grades; and a charter school can teach beyond the restrictive structures of NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND.
mjh233

United States

#10 Apr 2, 2010
Yup, the public school pigs are a-squealing, we're eating into their huge largess of money, and they don't like it. To spend 16,000 per pupil in a public school is the real wrong here.

Public schools will only change when they run out of options. And YES, charter schools use older methods of instruction, because THAT's WHAT WORKS, not this touchy-feely modern socialist indoctrination stuff the teacher's unions want....

Public Schools have outlived their usefulness....
CAN hunter

Brogue, PA

#11 Apr 2, 2010
Marginal ability to educate/ if you want to send your special brat to a special school because some kid might kick his spoiled azz YOU pay for it!
taxpayer

Reading, PA

#12 Apr 3, 2010
I'm not a big fan of public education, it is a waste of $$ and the unions don't help.

I think that if you choose to not send your child to a public school then you should pay for your child's education. Having the taxpayers fund what is essentially a private education just doesn't sit right.
Last resort

Hanover, PA

#13 Apr 3, 2010
The only teachers who work at Charter schools are the ones who can't get hired anywhere else. That's a simple fact. And every teacher who works at a Charter is probably looking for a job elsewhere every day, whether or not they like their job.
Lee

Hanover, PA

#14 Apr 3, 2010
layed back wrote:
<quoted text>
the montessori school will Not have to follow the same rules as public schools.
1) their teachers will not have to be certified in their subjects.
2) if they have a problem or disruptive student --- send them back to public school
and let them deal with them.
3) they do not have to deal with unions and gauranteed teacher's pension funds.
4) no teacher tenure ---- got a bad teacher, just fire them.
5) no state mandates or mandated testing.
6) when remolding or adapting a school building you only have to deal with labor and
industry laws not MANDATED department of education laws.
7) you are not required to support another school.
the above are just a few of the reasons public schools are struggling and charter schools and montessori school make it look easy.
Montessori Parent answered most of these. I do know that other charter school students still have to take PSSA's since they are considered public schools. I'm not sure why The Montessori one wouldn't.
Montessori parent

Littlestown, PA

#15 Apr 4, 2010
Lee wrote:
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Montessori Parent answered most of these. I do know that other charter school students still have to take PSSA's since they are considered public schools. I'm not sure why The Montessori one wouldn't.
the Montessori Charter students will take the PSSA's only will teach the students to think on their own. and not be given the information to the test everyday in class, also the students will have books to take home ; I see so many if not all in my neighbor's children rarely carry any materials to or from school.
Montessori parent

Littlestown, PA

#16 Apr 4, 2010
taxpayer wrote:
I'm not a big fan of public education, it is a waste of $$ and the unions don't help.
I think that if you choose to not send your child to a public school then you should pay for your child's education. Having the taxpayers fund what is essentially a private education just doesn't sit right.
my schhol district tried to say my child has autisn ; Doctor told us after months of testing learning delayed ;;; after 2 years of of meeting with school district officals we left. So why do we have to continue to pay the district over $2000.00 and get get educated where it is working ?????
Texmex

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Apr 7, 2010
No matter what school a student attends or who pays for it, the student still has to put their best foot foward. Teachers are nothing more then information providers who get paid well. I was always told by the employees of the Bermudian School District that it's the student education not the teachers, which leaves me asking why we spend more on the teachers then on students. I think we need to rethink how we disburse the taxpayer funds remember students do not have a union.
Rick

Baltimore, MD

#18 Apr 7, 2010
Texmex wrote:
No matter what school a student attends or who pays for it, the student still has to put their best foot foward. Teachers are nothing more then information providers who get paid well. I was always told by the employees of the Bermudian School District that it's the student education not the teachers, which leaves me asking why we spend more on the teachers then on students. I think we need to rethink how we disburse the taxpayer funds remember students do not have a union.
You would think that at least the parents would have some weight with what happens to the kids while in school, yet the schools largely ignore the will of the people that fund them. Hence the popularity of alternative educational options.
taxpayer

Reading, PA

#19 Apr 7, 2010
Montessori parent wrote:
<quoted text>my schhol district tried to say my child has autisn ; Doctor told us after months of testing learning delayed ;;; after 2 years of of meeting with school district officals we left. So why do we have to continue to pay the district over $2000.00 and get get educated where it is working ?????
WTF is that gibberish?
Texmex

Peaster, TX

#20 Apr 9, 2010
Rick wrote:
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You would think that at least the parents would have some weight with what happens to the kids while in school, yet the schools largely ignore the will of the people that fund them. Hence the popularity of alternative educational options.
The school employees help who they want to help while ignore who they want to ignore, this is why our school systems are failing our kids but still keep getting our taxes.

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