PO GUEST EDITORIAL: New, huge Pa. entitlement will choke life from schools

It seems that despite all the talk of bloated school budgets, nobody wants to see classroom cuts that will hurt education. Read more
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teacherb

Hagerstown, MD

#3 Apr 29, 2011
I truly do not understand why conservatives have jumped on the voucher idea. I feel like we're constantly hearing from them that too much tax payer money is being given to low income families who just need to get up and help themselves, yet here the conservatives are, fighting to give these same families money to send their kids to ritzy private schools. As a teacher, I obviously oppose vouchers for myriad of reasons, but this is just one thing that honestly baffles me.
hmmmm

Tunkhannock, PA

#4 Apr 29, 2011
vouchers and/or charter schools; best idea to date to remedy the problem of bullying in the public school systems, especially since the local teachers administrators and school boards prefer to wink and deny there is even a problem! Major problem in Waynesboro secondary schools and I suppose other regional schools as well.
JLC

Chambersburg, PA

#5 Apr 30, 2011
Let's give everyone a voucher and allow everyone to decide which private school to send their children to. Oops we can't do that, it might do away with the bargaining power of greedy teachers and their union bosses.
Former NASA Scientist

Muncy, PA

#6 Apr 30, 2011
JLC wrote:
Let's give everyone a voucher and allow everyone to decide which private school to send their children to. Oops we can't do that, it might do away with the bargaining power of greedy teachers and their union bosses.
The REAL issues as I see them in this area:

Most American students are not keeping up with students from Asian families in the same schools. The problem is NOT the teachers. The problem is that most students are not sent to school ready to learn. And that relates to the home situation and the effectiveness of parenting. The home cultures are much different between students of different ethnic cultures and also vary greatly within any given school.

So, if you answer "No" to any of the following questions, YOU, as the parent, may be most of the problem, not the school system.

1. Does your child get at least 8 hours of good rest before a school day?
2. Do you limit playing of video games to one hour or less and not allow games that promote violence?
3. Does your child have a diet with sugar limits withing government guidelines?
4. Is your home free of alcohol and drug abuse?
5. Is your home free of violence, including shouting and threats?
6. Do you limit TV watching to less than 3 hours?
7. Do you know what your child is using the web for and do you regularly monitor the sites accessed to avoid misuse of social networking sites like Facebook?

Second, behind this voucher movement are non-progressive people who don't want children to learn about evolution and the scientific explanations of the formation of the universe that we now understand, thanks in large part to the Hubble telescope. I don't know why modern science is such a threat to these "six-day" Christians, but if our society is to compete in the modern world, our students need the very best in science and math education.

Let's not let certain "faith" concepts get in the way of giving our children the best education available. You can live a good Christian life with many of our traditional values and still embrace the wonders of life that science shows us.

NOTE: "Six-day Christians" are those that believe that the universe and earth were somehow created in 6 days (some proponents of literal Bible reading are now fudging a bit by saying that their definition of "day" is different)- nice try.
bogey

Waynesboro, PA

#7 Apr 30, 2011
Private schools will better educate the kids not to be socialists , as for JLC amen
LIL JOHN

Shippensburg, PA

#8 Apr 30, 2011
Adapted from ????

Tell us what you changed to ''adapt it''!!!
LIL JOHN

Shippensburg, PA

#9 Apr 30, 2011
Former NASA Scientist wrote:
<quoted text>
The REAL issues as I see them in this area:
Most American students are not keeping up with students from Asian families in the same schools. The problem is NOT the teachers. The problem is that most students are not sent to school ready to learn. And that relates to the home situation and the effectiveness of parenting. The home cultures are much different between students of different ethnic cultures and also vary greatly within any given school.
So, if you answer "No" to any of the following questions, YOU, as the parent, may be most of the problem, not the school system.
1. Does your child get at least 8 hours of good rest before a school day?
2. Do you limit playing of video games to one hour or less and not allow games that promote violence?
3. Does your child have a diet with sugar limits withing government guidelines?
4. Is your home free of alcohol and drug abuse?
5. Is your home free of violence, including shouting and threats?
6. Do you limit TV watching to less than 3 hours?
7. Do you know what your child is using the web for and do you regularly monitor the sites accessed to avoid misuse of social networking sites like Facebook?
Second, behind this voucher movement are non-progressive people who don't want children to learn about evolution and the scientific explanations of the formation of the universe that we now understand, thanks in large part to the Hubble telescope. I don't know why modern science is such a threat to these "six-day" Christians, but if our society is to compete in the modern world, our students need the very best in science and math education.
Let's not let certain "faith" concepts get in the way of giving our children the best education available. You can live a good Christian life with many of our traditional values and still embrace the wonders of life that science shows us.
NOTE: "Six-day Christians" are those that believe that the universe and earth were somehow created in 6 days (some proponents of literal Bible reading are now fudging a bit by saying that their definition of "day" is different)- nice try.
Now dim George went from army veteran to NASA scientist -- what a loser

Don't you remember you used the 6 day krap posing as someone else dummy?

BTW Having Christianty in your life would have helped you raise your boy and not call the police onm your own son!

Once a loser always a loser!
Disgusted

Chambersburg, PA

#10 Apr 30, 2011
"Scientists" have concluded that the universe is expanding.

But, they could not observe enough matter in the universe to account for the necessary gravitational forces.

So, they concocted the notion that it must be "Dark Matter" that accounts for it.

But,

they can't see it
no instruments can detect it
it has no impact on light waves
no one knows what it's composed of

So, our "scientists" require a considerable amount of faith to believe in Dark Matters existence. Somehow, some believe that such "scientific" faith should be taught to our children.

But to teach creation principles that require faith in a God, is deemed to be totally irresponsible.

Seem like modern science has an over abundance of its own brand of religious fervor.
Disgusted

Chambersburg, PA

#11 Apr 30, 2011
If I were responsible for hiring for a teaching position, I'd ask candidates:

"Since most students are not sent to school ready to learn, do you have the skills necessary to overcome those obstacles?"

Guess which applicant would get job.
MercersburgDad

Aspers, PA

#12 Apr 30, 2011
"The Senate Democratic Appropriations Committee estimates that between 52,500 and 65,000 low-income students already enrolled in private schools would be eligible for vouchers.."

If they are so called low-income how can they already afford private schooling unless they are already receivng tax payer $$??

"So, if you answer "No" to any of the following questions, YOU, as the parent, may be most of the problem, not the school system.

1. Does your child get at least 8 hours of good rest before a school day?
2. Do you limit playing of video games to one hour or less and not allow games that promote violence?
3. Does your child have a diet with sugar limits withing government guidelines?
4. Is your home free of alcohol and drug abuse?
5. Is your home free of violence, including shouting and threats?
6. Do you limit TV watching to less than 3 hours?
7. Do you know what your child is using the web for and do you regularly monitor the sites accessed to avoid misuse of social networking sites like Facebook?"

Former Nasshole Scientist, thank you for your objective opinion on how every household should be conducted. Most of these & more are adhered to in our home, but I do not have the arrogance to suppose or enforce my opinion on every home as every child, parent relationship is not as cookie cutter as you would pretend.
Anonymous

Hanover, PA

#13 Apr 30, 2011
Disgusted wrote:
If I were responsible for hiring for a teaching position, I'd ask candidates:
"Since most students are not sent to school ready to learn, do you have the skills necessary to overcome those obstacles?"
Guess which applicant would get job.
Is that so hard, really? I wish they'd do that and follow up review as well. It's in my belief that teachers just do it for the paycheck and benefits. Wrong field.

Since: Oct 08

York, PA

#14 Apr 30, 2011
Former NASA Scientist wrote:
<quoted text>
The REAL issues as I see them in this area:
Most American students are not keeping up with students from Asian families in the same schools. The problem is NOT the teachers. The problem is that most students are not sent to school ready to learn. And that relates to the home situation and the effectiveness of parenting. The home cultures are much different between students of different ethnic cultures and also vary greatly within any given school.
So, if you answer "No" to any of the following questions, YOU, as the parent, may be most of the problem, not the school system.
1. Does your child get at least 8 hours of good rest before a school day?
2. Do you limit playing of video games to one hour or less and not allow games that promote violence?
3. Does your child have a diet with sugar limits withing government guidelines?
4. Is your home free of alcohol and drug abuse?
5. Is your home free of violence, including shouting and threats?
6. Do you limit TV watching to less than 3 hours?
7. Do you know what your child is using the web for and do you regularly monitor the sites accessed to avoid misuse of social networking sites like Facebook?
Second, behind this voucher movement are non-progressive people who don't want children to learn about evolution and the scientific explanations of the formation of the universe that we now understand, thanks in large part to the Hubble telescope. I don't know why modern science is such a threat to these "six-day" Christians, but if our society is to compete in the modern world, our students need the very best in science and math education.
Let's not let certain "faith" concepts get in the way of giving our children the best education available. You can live a good Christian life with many of our traditional values and still embrace the wonders of life that science shows us.
NOTE: "Six-day Christians" are those that believe that the universe and earth were somehow created in 6 days (some proponents of literal Bible reading are now fudging a bit by saying that their definition of "day" is different)- nice try.
You forgot respect for authority!
Section R

Chambersburg, PA

#15 Apr 30, 2011
JLC wrote:
Let's give everyone a voucher and allow everyone to decide which private school to send their children to. Oops we can't do that, it might do away with the bargaining power of greedy teachers and their union bosses.
I hope this will "choke the life" from the Unions with our schools programs....
Bombay

Chambersburg, PA

#16 Apr 30, 2011
hmmmm wrote:
vouchers and/or charter schools; best idea to date to remedy the problem of bullying in the public school systems, especially since the local teachers administrators and school boards prefer to wink and deny there is even a problem! Major problem in Waynesboro secondary schools and I suppose other regional schools as well.
What about thugs who go to charter schools to play basketball?
Grumpy

Newville, PA

#17 Apr 30, 2011
I have an idea. Require any school district that doesn't meet standards on testing to defund all sports and extracurricular activities until and use the funds for academic programs. Meet standards and they can start up their sports and extracurricular activities until they fail to meet standards.
Grumpy

Newville, PA

#18 Apr 30, 2011
Thats's until they meet standards
Grumpy

Newville, PA

#19 Apr 30, 2011
I would say if you aren't willing to do this you aren't really serious about academic performance.
Steven

Greencastle, PA

#20 Apr 30, 2011
Grumpy wrote:
I have an idea. Require any school district that doesn't meet standards on testing to defund all sports and extracurricular activities until and use the funds for academic programs. Meet standards and they can start up their sports and extracurricular activities until they fail to meet standards.
And fund all academic programs before the first sports program.
Nigel

Newville, PA

#21 Apr 30, 2011
LIL JOHN wrote:
<quoted text>
Now dim George went from army veteran to NASA scientist -- what a loser
Don't you remember you used the 6 day krap posing as someone else dummy?
BTW Having Christianty in your life would have helped you raise your boy and not call the police onm your own son!
Once a loser always a loser!
I think I've detected a patern in LIL JOHN'S posts. Only Republicans have good ideas and anyone who deviates from the far-right party line is an idiot, moron, loser, or some other childish desparaging remark. I do, however, have one question for you, JOHN. How much does a replacement exclamation point key cost; you must go through two or three per month.
Former NASA Scientist

Muncy, PA

#23 May 1, 2011
Disgusted wrote:
"Scientists" have concluded that the universe is expanding.
But, they could not observe enough matter in the universe to account for the necessary gravitational forces.
So, they concocted the notion that it must be "Dark Matter" that accounts for it.
But,
they can't see it
no instruments can detect it
it has no impact on light waves
no one knows what it's composed of
So, our "scientists" require a considerable amount of faith to believe in Dark Matters existence. Somehow, some believe that such "scientific" faith should be taught to our children.
But to teach creation principles that require faith in a God, is deemed to be totally irresponsible.
Seem like modern science has an over abundance of its own brand of religious fervor.
You, sir, are obviously more intelligent and more educated than most of the posters on here, and I am happy to reply to your comment.

Dark matter may not be directly observable, but at least scientists do not have to pin "intelligent" attributes on it for it to make sense. On the other hand, I have a Bible quoting friend who believes a "God" is sending the tornadoes to punish people.

I grew up in the Christian faith and try to live by values that go back to Christ's teachings. However, reconciling the positions of science with some of the stuff coming out of the conservative camp is really a challenge.

The gifted pastor, Rev. Bob Cook, of Christ United Methodist Church in Waynesboro gave what I believe, is the best Easter Sunday sermon that I have heard. I recommend all the posters on this site give a listen - it shows us how to embrace Christianity in this modern world.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php...

The Peace of Christ be with you .

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