Vouchers erode base of public schools

On May 21, a debate was held at the Mt. Gretna Firehall. The topic was, "Should the Pennsylvania Legislature Pass SB-1." This law would provide children with a $4,000 voucher to attend the school of his family's choice. Full Story
Fred Duzan

East Wenatchee, WA

#1 Jun 1, 2011
Since the creation of the Dept. of Education, American students have been slipping in world test score rankings. In this nation, we need to get the government as far from the education system as possible. The only thing the government has ever done efficiently is fight wars.

You wrote that the reason we won WW II was an educated society. No one is advocating for less education, but for improving the system.

For too long now, the public schools have been controlled by teachers unions, which are far more concerned about tenure and benefits for the teachers than educating children. This trend must be reversed and vouchers are a good place to start.

As to your inane comments about Rep. Ryans plan for Medicare reform, you are simply spewing the false claims of the DNC.
Melanie J

Lebanon, PA

#2 Jun 2, 2011
I think this article is fear mongering. There are many places where vouchers have worked out well for children. Besides, we already have cyber charter school which are taking tax dollars away from schools and well they should. They are producing a product and they need to compete and make a better product if they want people to continue to give them their money. We live in a capitalist society and there is no reason why we should support this socialist institution if we don't feel it is yeilding the results we want. I think when parents are empowered with choices THEY make better decisions for their children then the school board of the local school district.
But you Pennsylvanians are a paternalistic lot. It seems to me that more often than not you trust the group to look out for the interests of the individual and trust politicians to make decisions about how your money gets spent more than you trust individuals. I have never experienced more beaureacratic stupidity and group think since I moved here.
Parents, who raise their children with their own blood, sweat and tears are far more likely to choose in the best interest of their children than some school board. What you are saying here about "storefront schools opening" is that you don't trust parents to know what is right for their own children, that they are not going to be aware enough to know better. Most parents want their children to learn and be successful. We should have the right to use funds alotted to the education of our children as we see fit because we are not idiots who are going to make bad decisions. If you are conscientius enough to be dissatisfied with your local school, it is likely that you are pretty conscientious and as a conscientious parent, you should have the right to choose and alternative if the local public school doesn't meet the needs of your child or doesn't support your values. You obviously place a lot of faith in the government and not enough on the individual. This is the same government that can't manage its own money and is turning out kids way behind other nations....Gee, sounds like just the people to educate my child.
Melanie J

Lebanon, PA

#3 Jun 2, 2011
Fred Duzan wrote:
Since the creation of the Dept. of Education, American students have been slipping in world test score rankings. In this nation, we need to get the government as far from the education system as possible. The only thing the government has ever done efficiently is fight wars.
You wrote that the reason we won WW II was an educated society. No one is advocating for less education, but for improving the system.
For too long now, the public schools have been controlled by teachers unions, which are far more concerned about tenure and benefits for the teachers than educating children. This trend must be reversed and vouchers are a good place to start.
As to your inane comments about Rep. Ryans plan for Medicare reform, you are simply spewing the false claims of the DNC.
AMEN!!
Melanie J

Lebanon, PA

#4 Jun 2, 2011
BTW, I am glad to see that you made up for the bias of the debate by writing an equally biased article. Perhaps if you are going to criticize people for presenting a biased perspective, you might write a more objective article.
Uggh

Annville, PA

#5 Jun 2, 2011
Melanie J wrote:
BTW, I am glad to see that you made up for the bias of the debate by writing an equally biased article. Perhaps if you are going to criticize people for presenting a biased perspective, you might write a more objective article.
It was a 'Guest Opinion' Editorial... it wasn't meant to be down the middle.
Thomas Paine

Harrisburg, PA

#6 Jun 2, 2011
Back in the early 50's my grandmother told me that someday the catholics will have the taxpayers financially supporting their schools. She didn't know how they would do it, just that it was going to happen. Well, know we know how they are going to do it, there called vouchers. And what religion is Corbett? And I used to call Rendell a big city thug, when it is all said and done he is going to look like a choir boy compared to this fish eater we know have In Harrisburg.
Morbius

York, PA

#7 Jun 2, 2011
Thomas Paine wrote:
Back in the early 50's my grandmother told me that someday the catholics will have the taxpayers financially supporting their schools. She didn't know how they would do it, just that it was going to happen. Well, know we know how they are going to do it, there called vouchers. And what religion is Corbett? And I used to call Rendell a big city thug, when it is all said and done he is going to look like a choir boy compared to this fish eater we know have In Harrisburg.
So, in other words, the language in the state Constitution prohibiting state funding of "sectarian" schools is only meant to keep the Catholics from getting money for their schools?
soap stone

Lebanon, PA

#8 Jun 2, 2011
i for one do not want my tax money going to private schools wether they are sectarian or not and if folmer votes for it or rose marie i can not support them in any election even if they run for dog catcher, good students are made in the home by parents who encourage thier children to excel turn off the tube read with your child help them to succeed .
Melanie J

Newmanstown, PA

#9 Jun 2, 2011
Uggh wrote:
<quoted text>It was a 'Guest Opinion' Editorial... it wasn't meant to be down the middle.
That's a nonsequetor. You can not in one breath complain about biases and presenting an unfair view and then go on to present a totally overtly biased view. Nothing about and writing an editorial prevents you from presenting the topic in a fair way and then stating your point of view. If you are going to criticise people for being biased, the best way to address this is by example. What was done in this article is just a different side of the same coin. Politics are too nuanced and complex to be able to reduce to a simple right or wrong answer. I would love to see someone express their political views without using fear as a means of spreading their own anxieties.
Melanie J

Newmanstown, PA

#10 Jun 2, 2011
soap stone wrote:
i for one do not want my tax money going to private schools wether they are sectarian or not and if folmer votes for it or rose marie i can not support them in any election even if they run for dog catcher, good students are made in the home by parents who encourage thier children to excel turn off the tube read with your child help them to succeed .
Parents absolutely have much to do with who their children become. Which is why they should have the right to make choices on thier behalf. Recognize that you are not the only one to pay your tax money and that I, as a lower income, hardworking mother might want to use the money that I pay into the system to place my child in a setting that supports my Christian values. Though parents have a great deal of responsibility, children are influenced by other people, teachers and other students and part of parenting is helping to sheild them while they are young and impressionable from influences that don't refelct the values of your tradition and and faith. I went through a tremendous crisis of faith as a child because I had a lot of liberal atheist teachers and a community that did not support my faith system. I should have the right to assure that my child grows up in a situation that supports our traditions and values should I choose. The public school shouldn't get monies allotted for children who's parents choose to educate their children privately. They are being paid for a service that they are not providing.
Morbius

York, PA

#12 Jun 3, 2011
soap stone wrote:
i for one do not want my tax money going to private schools wether they are sectarian or not
I do not want my tax dollars going to public schools that advocate abortion, sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

Now, what do we do?

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#13 Jul 14, 2011
Morbius wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not want my tax dollars going to public schools that advocate abortion, sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
Now, what do we do?
Yes, tax dollars should go to religious schools that advocate slavery, misogyny, violence, hatred of "the other", rejecting any science that contradicts religious beliefs, etc.. Just what we need, religious nutjobs in a world that has the technology to destroy itself.
Catholic Veteran

Tampa, FL

#14 Jan 14, 2012
Fred Duzan wrote:
Since the creation of the Dept. of Education, American students have been slipping in world test score rankings. In this nation, we need to get the government as far from the education system as possible. The only thing the government has ever done efficiently is fight wars.
You wrote that the reason we won WW II was an educated society. No one is advocating for less education, but for improving the system.
For too long now, the public schools have been controlled by teachers unions, which are far more concerned about tenure and benefits for the teachers than educating children. This trend must be reversed and vouchers are a good place to start.
As to your inane comments about Rep. Ryans plan for Medicare reform, you are simply spewing the false claims of the DNC.
The public schools were in deep trouble back in the 50's and 60's, that's why the teachers unions and the freemasons started advocating Federal subsidies for the public school systems. The reality is the only thing Federal funds have produced is astronomical debt. It is probable that the Federal debt crisis will force the Federal government to reduce Federal subsidies to public schools.
Catholic Veteran

Tampa, FL

#15 Jan 14, 2012
soap stone wrote:
i for one do not want my tax money going to private schools wether they are sectarian or not and if folmer votes for it or rose marie i can not support them in any election even if they run for dog catcher, good students are made in the home by parents who encourage thier children to excel turn off the tube read with your child help them to succeed .
The way the anti-Catholic majority on the Supreme Court interpreted the First Amendment, Catholic schools are the only schools that do not receive county, state, and Federal funds.

In Florida, the Florida Supreme Court has never used the State's Blaine Amendment to prohibit aid to protestant schools. It has only used it to prohibit aid to Catholic schools.

Likewise in Florida, religous leaders from all denominations except the Catholic church are currently teaching in public schools. Only Catholic Bishops, Priests, Nuns and Monks are banned from teaching in Florida's public schools.

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