LAUSD votes to give outside groups a ...

LAUSD votes to give outside groups a chance to run campuses

There are 99 comments on the LA Daily News story from Aug 25, 2009, titled LAUSD votes to give outside groups a chance to run campuses. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa leaves the stage after speaking at a rally outside the Los Angeles Unified School District headquarters in Los Angeles.

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OhYeah

Haiku, HI

#21 Aug 26, 2009
So where's the token white in the photo?
Billy Bob

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Aug 26, 2009
raitchison wrote:
Few things scare AJ Duffy more than the idea of teachers working in Los Angeles without money being taken out of their paychecks and handed over to him.
The corrupt American labor union is thankfully a dying breed, the unions have less and less power as more people realize that they are, at best, unnecessary and frequently harmful.
If a private company can manage a school efficiently, and deliver a better education for the same or less money they should be given the opportunity, even if it does hurt the lifestyle of the union bosses.
They have trailers in West Hills?
UnionTeacher

Haiku, HI

#23 Aug 26, 2009
halkshaw wrote:
The teachers the school dist can notdo the job. This is the first thing I hve ssen them do which makes sense. If what you doing does not work then you need to try something differen. They are doing that. Do not listen to the teachers union thet have a conflict of interest.
Good idea! Now take your own advise and learn how to spell. If you had listened to union teacher, you would know how to!!
OhYeah

Haiku, HI

#24 Aug 26, 2009
Budweiser High School wrote:
I bid a dollar.
Wait, you mean I won?
Sweet!
If the state gives me $7,000 per kid per year, I'll spend $1,000 on the brats and pocket the other 6k.
For Profit Baby, For Profit!
Thank you all for that bond money!
Excellent post - you nailed it. Now, take Alan out and explain how reality works when you literally give away the farm.
OhYeah

Haiku, HI

#25 Aug 26, 2009
Alrighty! I get dibs on the libraries. Who wants the fire department?
E Pluribus Unum

Waipahu, HI

#26 Aug 26, 2009
I believe the LAUSD Board made the wrong decision,but there is no need to make
derogatory remarks about students,or
make assumptions based upon the ethnic
background of parties involved with
the decision. There are possible options
that opponents of the decision can turn
to for recourse-although they are not
likely to be successful.
Budweiser High School

Yuma, AZ

#27 Aug 26, 2009
This is wrong on so many levels first and foremost that Charter schools do better than public schools.

Say what you will, Charter schools do cherry-pick their students. They do so by expelling kids who do not drink the kool-aid and replacing them with kids on a waiting list. If public schools could get rid of the really bad kids (worst 10%) scores would go through the roof.

Want a solution here it is. Have LAUSD institute a new program whereby parents of kids who are failing are REQUIRED to attend parenting classes. If they refuse, or don't show, or don't pass, then the student is transferred to one of these proposed charters.

Hey, charters say they can work miracles, let them show it with the most difficult kids. We can get them extra funding, out from under all union contracts, principals can have whatever power they need, give them every advantage and give them the kids that LAUSD has absolutly been unable to reach, the ones with no parent structure at home.

By the way, that has nothing to do with race or origin but a lot to do with financial status.

If LAUSD wants to give away schools to charters, let the charters do what they've advertised they can do, think outside the box and be creative.
Wondering

Haiku, HI

#28 Aug 26, 2009
After Mexico finally takes over Los Angeles, which won't be long, what nationality will all the people who were born, earlier, in Los Angeles be? Will we lose our American citizenship retroactively or what?
LA Teacher

Irvine, CA

#29 Aug 26, 2009
alan wrote:
<quoted text>
I would. In fact I wouldn't mind volunteering teaching one or two classes in the name of student achievement, but of course, that is something the current system wouldn't allow. Doing something for the best interest of the students, what a novel idea!
Are you kidding? Do you know how many hours teachers work for free? Tutoring during recess, lunch and afterschool. No one is paying us for our time. As a matter of fact, how many careers do you know of that pay you for 6 hours, contract you to work 8, but in reality you work about 10 to 12? Teachers really do care about the kids. But you never hear about it because you don't take the time to ask.
LA Teacher

Irvine, CA

#30 Aug 26, 2009
Budweiser High School wrote:
This is wrong on so many levels first and foremost that Charter schools do better than public schools.
Say what you will, Charter schools do cherry-pick their students. They do so by expelling kids who do not drink the kool-aid and replacing them with kids on a waiting list. If public schools could get rid of the really bad kids (worst 10%) scores would go through the roof.
Want a solution here it is. Have LAUSD institute a new program whereby parents of kids who are failing are REQUIRED to attend parenting classes. If they refuse, or don't show, or don't pass, then the student is transferred to one of these proposed charters.
Hey, charters say they can work miracles, let them show it with the most difficult kids. We can get them extra funding, out from under all union contracts, principals can have whatever power they need, give them every advantage and give them the kids that LAUSD has absolutly been unable to reach, the ones with no parent structure at home.
By the way, that has nothing to do with race or origin but a lot to do with financial status.
If LAUSD wants to give away schools to charters, let the charters do what they've advertised they can do, think outside the box and be creative.
Holding parents accountable? Now that is a novel idea. I agree 100%. Parent involvement is the key to a child's academic success. Anyone who is educated in the field of education knows that. How can we get that message out?
LA Teacher

Irvine, CA

#31 Aug 26, 2009
Billy Bob wrote:
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They have trailers in West Hills?
How about the life styles of the tax paying, lower-middle class teachers? Be real. Corporations don't value education; they value money.
Karl

Duluth, GA

#32 Aug 26, 2009
Heres an Example: LA county airports were privatized. American Airports took over, drove up all gas, hangers, and tiedowns, and dropped the high county wages to the dirt. Assistant Aiport manager made 11.00 an hour, and operations went to minimum wage. All the old managers quit and they hired less experienced ones for almost 30,000 less a year. Profit, Profit, Profit with no quality difference to the taxpayer.

Since: Oct 08

West Hills, CA

#33 Aug 26, 2009
LA Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>
Corporations don't value education; they value money.
So they are just like the union bosses then?

Good teachers have nothing to fear from a union-free school, in fact they will only benefit because their hard work and good performance will get them rewarded even if they haven't been there quite as long as the lazy teacher down the hall, if you are a mediocre or lousy teacher who's been relying on the fine print on the contract to keep the pay coming in that's another story and you should be VERY afraid.

If you are AJ Duffy and are nothing but a parasitic growth on the backs of teachers good and bad alike you are terrified.
Karl

Duluth, GA

#34 Aug 26, 2009
Wondering wrote:
After Mexico finally takes over Los Angeles, which won't be long, what nationality will all the people who were born, earlier, in Los Angeles be? Will we lose our American citizenship retroactively or what?
wont be long, you listen to them they say its too late. Oh, we'll be called Anglegals.
OhYeah

Haiku, HI

#35 Aug 26, 2009
There is a movement to recall the LAUSD Board members. Sign the petition and get them out, now!
OhYeah

Haiku, HI

#36 Aug 26, 2009
raitchison wrote:
"So they are just like the union bosses then?
Good teachers have nothing to fear from a union-free school, in fact they will only benefit because their hard work and good performance will get them rewarded even if they haven't been there quite as long as the lazy teacher down the hall, if you are a mediocre or lousy teacher who's been relying on the fine print on the contract to keep the pay coming in that's another story and you should be VERY afraid."

raitchison: What are your qualification and credentials to support your opinion? Or, are you just a low-paid guy with two tiny sour grapes?
Mark

Indio, CA

#37 Aug 26, 2009
Competition...that's what progress is all about.
Miriam

Oxnard, CA

#38 Aug 26, 2009
It sounds like UTLA has succeeded in getting a lot of misinformation out to the public. Last year, someone I am close to worked as a first-year teacher for LAUSD while many of her peers worked for Charters as first-year teachers. Every one of her peers working for a charter was earning more than she was. This year, due to the lay-offs, she is at a charter and earning about twenty percent more than she earned in LAUSD. Charters can pay their teachers more than LAUSD because they are not supporting Beaudry Place and the Mini-Districts. The public funds they are in charge of can go directly to students and to paying teachers. Some charter schools have unions of their owns. It's not UTLA or nothing. A teacher can go to work for a charter and be in a different union.
Charter schools do not cherry-pick. They are not allowed to discriminate. Students get in by a lottery. Can charter schools get rid of students more easily? Yes. Why is that a bad thing? Students in charter schools actually believe the school can discipline them. Students in LAUSD know that the worst thing that the district can do -- and which it probably won't do -- is transfer them to another school. At my son's LAUSD high school, kids walk off campus with impunity and smoke pot everywhere and they do it because they know they can. When a charter school says zero tolerance, they actually mean it.
As for the statistics, it's a mistake to compare all charter schools to all traditional public schools. You need to compare charter schools to traditional schools with the same demographics. There are some charter schools that are not doing well. Others are wildly successful. But if you have followed the California charter movement, you will see concern over standards and a desire for quality control and a striving for solutions. They are not satisfied with schools that are ineffective. LAUSD has been satisfied with schools that have been ineffective for decades. Maybe that is changing now.
Ciao baby

Los Angeles, CA

#39 Aug 26, 2009
Karl wrote:
<quoted text>
wont be long, you listen to them they say its too late. Oh, we'll be called Anglegals.
Los Angloless
Mess

Pomona, CA

#40 Aug 26, 2009
Isn't it amazing that the #1 post (and most of these) are about the teachers. The #1 job of LAUSD is to educate our kids! That should be the focus of the discussion. Teachers jobs are important, but the quality of the education is being totally overlooked here and futher proves the one sided, special interest of the unions who are the main opponents of this move. Teachers may be interested in their students, but the union ONLY cares about looking good to their members.
Diana Sintich wrote:
Are you kidding me? Enough teachers haven't lost their jobs already? How is this addressing the budget issues?

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