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Morbius

York, PA

#1 Feb 17, 2011
George Gerber makes some interesting points about public education but there is a huge problem he didn't bother to address: the state Constitution mandates state involvement in public education. And as long as the state can meddle, we'll continue to have problems.
Benjamin

Washington Boro, PA

#2 Feb 17, 2011
agreed
Pride in my vote

York, PA

#3 Feb 17, 2011
Morbius and Benjamin, are you two Constituton Attorneys. I think not !
Lanco

Elizabethtown, PA

#4 Feb 17, 2011
George, I remember when you gave me 3 swats for not doing homework in 7th grade Geography. That was 51 years ago...
bonehead buster

Hummelstown, PA

#5 Feb 18, 2011
If all the school districts would combine in Lebanon County a lot of money would be saved.
Annville closed a school, Palmyra builds a school. Rerouting buses could have solved that problem and saved a ton of money. We would need only one adminastration saving a boat load of money.
I have said for years that charter schools would be a logistical nightmare.
It is funny that the only people that I hear wanting vouchers are the ones that send their kids to private school. They donít feel they should pay school taxes and pay for private school at the same time. What about people that donít have kids in school at all? Should they have to pay taxes to have your kids sent to religious school? Will there be a box on the tax form that says you do not wish to have your taxes pay for Christian schools? Will we be able to opt out of having our tax money go to any schools we donít feel represents our beliefs? Better yet we should be able to choose who we want to benefit from the money we pay in as taxes. If I donít like you I can simply check your name off the list and lobby my friends to do the same because I think it is a waste of time to have your lazy kids in a school that I have to pay for.
I can go on and on.
Morbius

York, PA

#6 Feb 18, 2011
bonehead buster wrote:
If all the school districts would combine in Lebanon County a lot of money would be saved.
Annville closed a school, Palmyra builds a school. Rerouting buses could have solved that problem and saved a ton of money. We would need only one adminastration saving a boat load of money.
I have said for years that charter schools would be a logistical nightmare.
It is funny that the only people that I hear wanting vouchers are the ones that send their kids to private school. They donít feel they should pay school taxes and pay for private school at the same time. What about people that donít have kids in school at all? Should they have to pay taxes to have your kids sent to religious school? Will there be a box on the tax form that says you do not wish to have your taxes pay for Christian schools? Will we be able to opt out of having our tax money go to any schools we donít feel represents our beliefs? Better yet we should be able to choose who we want to benefit from the money we pay in as taxes. If I donít like you I can simply check your name off the list and lobby my friends to do the same because I think it is a waste of time to have your lazy kids in a school that I have to pay for.
I can go on and on.
Unfortunately, your argument is counter-intuitive. After all, do not parents who send their kids to private schools also pay taxes? Do they not have a right to say where the tax dollars go? Further, if our public schools are so wonderful, then why do private schools and cyber schools tend to show far better results with less money?

Do the math, folks! For 50 years we have been told that all public education needs is more money. At what point do we say that the operation has failed?
carl

Lebanon, PA

#7 Feb 18, 2011
you got it right.. "just give us more money, it will work this time" ummmm no it dont.
Do tell

United States

#8 Feb 18, 2011
Mr. Gerber,
Your a retired teacher, right? Why don't you share your retirement income and benefits the us, please. Save us from having to send in a Right To Know Request to the PSEA.
City Dweller

Lebanon, PA

#9 Feb 18, 2011
A voucher will cost more than you think. The school will have to provide transportation to get the child to the school of choice. Can you say taxi? Or Boyo Trans?

Piccola has interests beyond those of school students.
Morbius

York, PA

#10 Feb 18, 2011
How long before our teachers begin acting like thugs and carrying union placards with gun sights on pictures of Tom Corbett?

How long before union goons begin shooting Tea Party people?
Benjamin

Lancaster, PA

#11 Feb 18, 2011
Less rhetoric, more actual thought, please.

Civility.

Asking when a group of people will decide to shoot into another group of people is not civil, by any definition of the word.

It is, however, inflammatory. It's interesting, Morbius, how you continue to "debate" that way, instead of participating in informed, civil dialogue.
Oh Yeah

Palmyra, PA

#12 Feb 19, 2011
A day without a letter from George Gerber is like a day without sunshine.
know it all

United States

#13 Feb 19, 2011
Benjamin wrote:
Less rhetoric, more actual thought, please.

Civility.

Asking when a group of people will decide to shoot into another group of people is not civil, by any definition of the word.

It is, however, inflammatory. It's interesting, Morbius, how you continue to "debate" that way, instead of participating in informed, civil dialogue.
Based on the historical protesting methods of unionized workers I think it's a perfectly logical question to ask. We all know that the unionized protesters will get violent, so if we know when maybe we can prevent some people from getting hurt.
Benjamin

Lancaster, PA

#14 Feb 19, 2011
know it all wrote:
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Based on the historical protesting methods of unionized workers I think it's a perfectly logical question to ask. We all know that the unionized protesters will get violent, so if we know when maybe we can prevent some people from getting hurt.
Based on your comment, perhaps you can break down the percentage of non-violent union protests versus those that actually do include violence. That would probably be helpful to all readers, since you obviously want everyone to think that ALL unionized people are violent thugs.

Demonizing someone you disagree with is a popular tactic, but back it up and prove what you say, instead of just quoting something you heard from someone else. Who was your source, by the way? FoxNews? Glenn Beck? Tom Corbett? Mike Folmer? Frank Ryan? Scott Russo? Any other national, state, or local figure?
know it all

Newfoundland, PA

#15 Feb 19, 2011
Benjamin wrote:
<quoted text>Based on your comment, perhaps you can break down the percentage of non-violent union protests versus those that actually do include violence. That would probably be helpful to all readers, since you obviously want everyone to think that ALL unionized people are violent thugs.

Demonizing someone you disagree with is a popular tactic, but back it up and prove what you say, instead of just quoting something you heard from someone else. Who was your source, by the way? FoxNews? Glenn Beck? Tom Corbett? Mike Folmer? Frank Ryan? Scott Russo? Any other national, state, or local figure?
Unions attack workers with bats then give them away at Phillies game
June 28th, 2010 10:21 am ET
Philadelphia, the Iron Workers Union attacked construction workers with baseball bats while protesting a Toys R Us who hired non-union guys to do some renovations.

I'll get you some more examples and finish the debate with you later. I'm going to bed. I have to get up early for my non-union job.
Benjamin

Lancaster, PA

#16 Feb 20, 2011
You talk as if every union and every protest causes problems. Are there union workers who take things too far? Absolutely.

Are there Tea Party members who take things too far? Absolutely (I remember seeing a particularly startling video of a man kicking a women on the ground, and wanting to stomp her head in, but being stopped by bystanders).

Are there plenty of other people in this world, country, and state that take things too far in a variety of situations? ABSOLUTELY.

I'll repeat my first comment, since you choose to just sensationalize things:

Based on your comment, perhaps you can break down the percentage of non-violent union protests versus those that actually do include violence. That would probably be helpful to all readers, since you obviously want everyone to think that ALL unionized people are violent thugs.
Morbius

York, PA

#17 Feb 20, 2011
Benjamin wrote:
You talk as if every union and every protest causes problems. Are there union workers who take things too far? Absolutely.
Are there Tea Party members who take things too far? Absolutely (I remember seeing a particularly startling video of a man kicking a women on the ground, and wanting to stomp her head in, but being stopped by bystanders).
Are there plenty of other people in this world, country, and state that take things too far in a variety of situations? ABSOLUTELY.
I'll repeat my first comment, since you choose to just sensationalize things:
Based on your comment, perhaps you can break down the percentage of non-violent union protests versus those that actually do include violence. That would probably be helpful to all readers, since you obviously want everyone to think that ALL unionized people are violent thugs.
But the ratio of extreme actions is 10:1 union thugs.

And when was the last time the unions and commies denounced the violence exercised by their brown shirts? Therein lies the difference; the 'stomper' was condemned by all TEA Party and 912 groups. The unions and anarchists embrace the violence of their ilk.
Benjamin

Lancaster, PA

#18 Feb 20, 2011
Morbius wrote:
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But the ratio of extreme actions is 10:1 union thugs.
And when was the last time the unions and commies denounced the violence exercised by their brown shirts? Therein lies the difference; the 'stomper' was condemned by all TEA Party and 912 groups. The unions and anarchists embrace the violence of their ilk.
How did you come up with your ratio? The fact that you want it to be true, doesn't make it true.

I could sit here and type out that the ratio of comments you make that are backed up by facts as opposed to those you pull out of thin air is 1:10. Maybe that's true, maybe that isn't...but I wouldn't claim it to be the ratio because I cannot honestly calculate such a ratio. Just like you can't prove yours.

Maybe I missed it, but I did not hear the "stomper" being condemned by all Tea Party and 9-12 Project groups at that time. To be fair, maybe that's the same reason you never hear unions denounce the actions of their members, when they go to far... Perhaps it's just because we aren't listening for that.
Morbius

York, PA

#19 Feb 21, 2011
Benjamin wrote:
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Maybe I missed it, but I did not hear the "stomper" being condemned by all Tea Party and 9-12 Project groups at that time. To be fair, maybe that's the same reason you never hear unions denounce the actions of their members, when they go to far... Perhaps it's just because we aren't listening for that.
You obviously have not been paying attention. Every time a rogue element has been identified in the TEA Party/912 groups (like finding a needle in a haystack), it has been condemned. Do a Google search and you will find it for yourself.

Yet, when the SEIU beat up a black conservative in the Midwest, the silence was deafening. When union thugs bit the finger off a TEA Party activist, it was excused as an over-excited action.

Have you ever been to a Right To Work rally in Harrisburg? Try going sometime and watch as union goons are bused in and then bully, shove and intimidate their way through the crowds.

I've seen these apes screaming "union" anytime they think their cushy government jobs get threatened; there is no free discussion or rationalizing with these people.

Take off your rose colored glasses and see the world for what it has become.
Thomas Paine

Harrisburg, PA

#20 Feb 21, 2011
Morbius wrote:
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You obviously have not been paying attention. Every time a rogue element has been identified in the TEA Party/912 groups (like finding a needle in a haystack), it has been condemned. Do a Google search and you will find it for yourself.
Yet, when the SEIU beat up a black conservative in the Midwest, the silence was deafening. When union thugs bit the finger off a TEA Party activist, it was excused as an over-excited action.
Have you ever been to a Right To Work rally in Harrisburg? Try going sometime and watch as union goons are bused in and then bully, shove and intimidate their way through the crowds.
I've seen these apes screaming "union" anytime they think their cushy government jobs get threatened; there is no free discussion or rationalizing with these people.
Take off your rose colored glasses and see the world for what it has become.
You sure do hate union's

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