THE NEW SCHOOLS: Charter, cyber-chart...

THE NEW SCHOOLS: Charter, cyber-charter schools provide options

There are 33 comments on the Lebanon Daily News story from Dec 26, 2010, titled THE NEW SCHOOLS: Charter, cyber-charter schools provide options. In it, Lebanon Daily News reports that:

In the past, there were basically two options for education: public schools and private schools.

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no way

Harrisburg, PA

#1 Dec 26, 2010
Let's just get our lawmakers to provide a public school system that provides a great education for every child like our Constitituion requires.

More schools is a easy excuse, but not an answer.
tullihater

Rheems, PA

#2 Dec 26, 2010
Would never send my kids to a school Tulli is running. He is what is wrong with our system: schools run by gym teachers!!
concerned

Lebanon, PA

#3 Dec 26, 2010
I've been told that these cyber and cyber-charter schools are taking money from the public education system. Sure, the child is going to a different school, but I don't get any money back since I don't go to the stadiums my tax dollars have helped build, or other programs I don't utilize.
I recently saw an orange car plastered with cyber school information. Did my tax dollars go to pay for that since those school get tax money from the state?
Info

Thompsontown, PA

#4 Dec 27, 2010
My grandchildren are in a Cyber Charter school. My grandson has been involved since 6th grade. It is one of the best programs in the world. I don't say it is for every one, but it has sure been a help for my family. My grandson is in 11th grade and has also earned some college credits. At the end of this year he will only need 1 & 1/2 credits to graduate. As far as not being involved with peers, this is not true. He is involved with our local bread of life ministry, theatrical plays for the youth. He is involved with a boys group and goes to other organizations and helps them. He is also works part time. Involvement depends on how much a child and their parents want.
As far as the money is concerned, the public school gets to keep 20% of the school tax free. The charter school charges except a portion of the school tax. Then they have to fight the school districts to get their money. At the beginning of this years school season, less than 50% of the schools released the money tom the charter school. Then you have the nerve to say their in it for profit. Just for our three grand kids, our local school district is getting around $1000.00 a year to do nothing, so who's making the profit?
moonshine

Lebanon, PA

#5 Dec 27, 2010
Cyber school is for unmotivated lazy kids and their parents who are the same way. Its another "you owe me" program pushed by the state and it costs these social program abusers nothing. Military and colleges do not even look at kids with "cyber" diplomas. The only ones who benefit from this are the ones who run theses scam programs. Imagine a K-5 kid doing cyber? That is just absurd. No wonder Pa education is one of the lowest in the Country. It is another form of welfare with no worthwhile benefit
rancher

Lebanon, PA

#6 Dec 27, 2010
These cyber schools are a bad idea. The kids socialization is very limited and they don't get a real sense of reality and what is out there. Then they are 17 and can't get a job because they never interracted with anyone in public or ever practiced how to interview for a job or even how to dress for a job interview. I am not that old but I believe the youth have less respect for adults now than ever and that is mostly because of lack of parenting at home, so how are they going to learn at home if the parent isn't even there or possibly doing the work for them, which I have heard happens. I agree this should be for those that are mentioned in the above article, but it should not be for just the normal everyday kid who is just to lazy to get up in the morning to go to school.
not true

Rheems, PA

#7 Dec 27, 2010
rancher wrote:
These cyber schools are a bad idea. The kids socialization is very limited and they don't get a real sense of reality and what is out there. Then they are 17 and can't get a job because they never interracted with anyone in public or ever practiced how to interview for a job or even how to dress for a job interview. I am not that old but I believe the youth have less respect for adults now than ever and that is mostly because of lack of parenting at home, so how are they going to learn at home if the parent isn't even there or possibly doing the work for them, which I have heard happens. I agree this should be for those that are mentioned in the above article, but it should not be for just the normal everyday kid who is just to lazy to get up in the morning to go to school.
Why do people think home/cyber schooled children are somehow captive in their homes? Do other children only socialize in school? There is plenty of opportunity for socialization in everyday life. Most home schooled children don't have to spend 7 hours on the computer like they would spend in public school. Most of the public school day is wasted if you are even slightly above average intelligence. Anyone who has been in a city public school can tell you that the type of "socialization" happening is not the type anyone with half a brain would want their child to have. My children are in the Lebanon city schools and I am trying to find any alternative right now.
Ponderosa

United States

#8 Dec 27, 2010
moonshine wrote:
Cyber school is for unmotivated lazy kids and their parents who are the same way. Its another "you owe me" program pushed by the state and it costs these social program abusers nothing. Military and colleges do not even look at kids with "cyber" diplomas. The only ones who benefit from this are the ones who run theses scam programs. Imagine a K-5 kid doing cyber? That is just absurd. No wonder
Pa education is one of the lowest in the Country. It is another form of welfare with no worthwhile benefit
What school board do you sit on?
What's the matter, are you losing students to alternative education? Is this cutting into your budget and making it things difficult for you?

The truth is

Lititz, PA

#9 Dec 27, 2010
Cyber schools and the like were started by Tom Ridge who had all his kids go to some sort of privte schools. They then morphed into avenues for former public school supers and government ed officials to draw huge salaries from running these institutions. I find it hard to believe CS's are an income center for public schools.
Exactly Right

Lebanon, PA

#10 Dec 27, 2010
This is an attempt to put schools in the business of making profits.

This makes me sick to my stomach. Schools should be a place for learning, not a place for yielding dividends to millionaires.

Sorry kids. No new text books this year. Stock price is down and CEO - I mean Principal Skinner needs to keep his stockholders happy.
Eat your words

United States

#11 Dec 27, 2010
Elco superintendent Richard Nilsen said he struggles with cyber-charter schools being an option for all kids, particularly for students in kindergarten through second grade.

"I don't really think we need kids that young on computers," he said.

Really, Richard?
But yet you stood firm behind previous ELCO School Board members and the ridiculous reasons for closing two of the older elementary schools in the district. Grade reconfiguration wasn't an option.
Schaefferstown or Myerstown couldn't be used for K-2 and all day Kindergarten because it would have been such a huge expense to have the buildings wired for the latest and greatest hi-technology.

Open mouth and insert your foot, Richard.

As a parent, who are you supposed to believe when the proclaimed "experts" talk out of both sides of their mouths and mostly out of their behinds.

Give us peace

Lebanon, PA

#13 Dec 27, 2010
"Eat your words", I surprised you only posted twice here today;the other being Ponderosa. Is that where you had dinner yesterday? You are usually good for 8 or 9 posts per.Why are you are such a naysayer? I must think you are one of the poor suffering ELCO-ites who are still crying in their bean soup over the closing of two old, out-dated schools. Stay locked up in your protective shell, please, and do the rest of us a favor.
Eat your words

United States

#14 Dec 27, 2010
Give us peace wrote:
"Eat your words", I surprised you only posted twice here today;the other being Ponderosa. Is that where you had dinner yesterday? You are usually good for 8 or 9 posts per.Why are you are such a naysayer? I must think you are one of the poor suffering ELCO-ites who are still crying in their bean soup over the closing of two old, out-dated schools. Stay locked up in your protective shell, please,
and do the rest of us a favor.
How big of a "peace" should I give you
Jack? How much do you feel you deserve?
If you are looking for peace, look elsewhere. If you're looking for credit, you're getting it. Take the good with the bad.
You are a part of the problem.
Info

Thompsontown, PA

#15 Dec 28, 2010
rancher wrote:
These cyber schools are a bad idea. The kids socialization is very limited and they don't get a real sense of reality and what is out there. Then they are 17 and can't get a job because they never interracted with anyone in public or ever practiced how to interview for a job or even how to dress for a job interview. I am not that old but I believe the youth have less respect for adults now than ever and that is mostly because of lack of parenting at home, so how are they going to learn at home if the parent isn't even there or possibly doing the work for them, which I have heard happens. I agree this should be for those that are mentioned in the above article, but it should not be for just the normal everyday kid who is just to lazy to get up in the morning to go to school.
This article is sick. My three 16 year old grand kids are in cyber school. All three have jobs. They are up at 6:00 in the morning and start there schooling. Two of them have already started working on college. They are involved in all kind of community activities. You say their lazy, can't interact with anyone in public. I agree there are some kids lack respect. But then look at a lot of adults that don't respect. They grew up before cyber schools ever existed. They will open a door and step back and let others go inside ahead of them. They help senior citizens with their packages and are very respectful. Don't judge all by some. I know a lot of adults that are in the category you placed cyber school kids. "WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES"
James

Lebanon, PA

#16 Dec 28, 2010
While Cyber schools aren't for everyone, i wish it would have been an option when i was in school. As someone previously stated, if you have more then half a brain, most time in Lebanon High was wasted (at least when i attended). It did very little to prepare me for college. There are plenty of other opportunities for interaction with people other then school. Sadly i know a number of parents who don't let their kids experience any of them because they are being "protective". Now, who's fault is that the only time your child sees someone other then you is in school? I don't agree with the for profit status they maintain though. I think they should be non-profit. I hear all the time that we need smaller classes.. well here's an option for that.. and people don't like it? I don't get it.
Steve

Richmond, VA

#17 Dec 28, 2010
The US armed forces reject over 90% of cyber school grads--and nearly 80% of charter schools made AYP in Pennsylvania last year. Yep, sounds like a real deal.
Steve

Richmond, VA

#18 Dec 28, 2010
80% failed to make AYP last year...my bad.
another failure

Lancaster, PA

#20 Dec 29, 2010
Instead of politicians doing their jobs and cleaning up the failing schools for our child and grandchildren. We will just start more schools.

Idiiots, this to will end up costing taxpayer more money in the end without any better results..
another failure

Lancaster, PA

#21 Dec 29, 2010
Steve wrote:
The US armed forces reject over 90% of cyber school grads--and nearly 80% of charter schools made AYP in Pennsylvania last year. Yep, sounds like a real deal.
This is the Republicans paln to destroy the public school system and fire union teachers.

Do you really expect me to belive the same Republican Party that doesn't give a rats azz about feeding, clothing, providing healthcare or housing poor children, actually give a damn about their education.
funny

Lancaster, PA

#22 Dec 29, 2010
moonshine wrote:
Cyber school is for unmotivated lazy kids and their parents who are the same way. Its another "you owe me" program pushed by the state and it costs these social program abusers nothing. Military and colleges do not even look at kids with "cyber" diplomas. The only ones who benefit from this are the ones who run theses scam programs. Imagine a K-5 kid doing cyber? That is just absurd. No wonder Pa education is one of the lowest in the Country. It is another form of welfare with no worthwhile benefit
This is liberal California radical left wing idea and Republicans in Pennsylvania are in bed with it. Ask yourself why ?

Because Republicans care about the educational needs of poor kids. Ha Ha.

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