Possible Strike Looms as D228, Teachers Union Continue Contract Talks

Aug 22, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Patch.com

Time is slipping away and it seems that neither representatives from the Joint Faculty Association nor those from Bremen School District 228 A are willing to back down.

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I am a Harvard undergrad and a Washington University Post Grad. where i graduated in the top 5% of my Medical School Class. Why does this matter??
All the information that I use is available on the Internet and is accurate. where am I misinformed?? Hmmm look for yourself... The stas do not lie.
What is your occupation and level of education?
Tommy, Congratulations on your achievements!
I think our legislators should tackle healthcare reform as soon as they deal with the pesky issues surrounding education. Healthcare costs are out of control! My insurance premiums continue to rise and I'm also very concerned about the $800 bill I had to pay out of pocket for an emergency room visit I made last year.
I propose that we pay healthcare workers based on the survival of their patients and/or the improvement of their patients' health.
Wait a minute, you're an oncologist with a higher rate of patient mortality due to their bleak prognosis? Too bad. Looks like you will be out of a job soon because you are ineffective as a doctor if you can't save them all.
You say you are a cardiologist with patients who continually ignore your orders to lose weight, eat healthier, and exercise more and that is contributing to the decline of their health? Not my problem. If that patient dies, it certainly reflects your ability as a doctor. How dare you blame the patient--you're the doctor, their savior. YOU should be working miracles.
Now let's relate this to teachers. Please understand that teachers fight ignorance about the challenges they are up against every day. Teachers in areas with high poverty rates do not have cooperative 'patients.' Those kids do not do their homework, or stay awake in class, or have the support at home to enable them to be successful and follow the guidance of their teachers to do well in their courses let alone perform well on high-stakes state tests. This is why teachers fight so fiercely against student achievement being tied to their evaluations. They can write the prescription, give the advice, and work with their patients. But if that patient refuses treatment, it is unfair to blame the doctor.
Do we need educational reform? Absolutely. But I think you really need to acknowledge that teachers deserve respect and at the very least some empathy for what they do every day.
Also, I hope that at some point you've thanked all those teachers who helped you become so successful. Learning cannot be achieved without collaboration.
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Midlothian, IL

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Sep 10, 2012
 
They both very recently received new contracts and we were comparing and contrasting. Both contracts were awarded by the same board, I think it says something about how they value the teachers compared to the admin.

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Sep 11, 2012
 
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Tommy, Congratulations on your achievements!
I think our legislators should tackle healthcare reform as soon as they deal with the pesky issues surrounding education. Healthcare costs are out of control! My insurance premiums continue to rise and I'm also very concerned about the $800 bill I had to pay out of pocket for an emergency room visit I made last year.
I propose that we pay healthcare workers based on the survival of their patients and/or the improvement of their patients' health.
Wait a minute, you're an oncologist with a higher rate of patient mortality due to their bleak prognosis? Too bad. Looks like you will be out of a job soon because you are ineffective as a doctor if you can't save them all.
You say you are a cardiologist with patients who continually ignore your orders to lose weight, eat healthier, and exercise more and that is contributing to the decline of their health? Not my problem. If that patient dies, it certainly reflects your ability as a doctor. How dare you blame the patient--you're the doctor, their savior. YOU should be working miracles.
Now let's relate this to teachers. Please understand that teachers fight ignorance about the challenges they are up against every day. Teachers in areas with high poverty rates do not have cooperative 'patients.' Those kids do not do their homework, or stay awake in class, or have the support at home to enable them to be successful and follow the guidance of their teachers to do well in their courses let alone perform well on high-stakes state tests. This is why teachers fight so fiercely against student achievement being tied to their evaluations. They can write the prescription, give the advice, and work with their patients. But if that patient refuses treatment, it is unfair to blame the doctor.
Do we need educational reform? Absolutely. But I think you really need to acknowledge that teachers deserve respect and at the very least some empathy for what they do every day.
Also, I hope that at some point you've thanked all those teachers who helped you become so successful. Learning cannot be achieved without collaboration.
So your answer is to continue to give more money to the educational failures (i.e. teachers)??? Do you honestly know how much some of these teachers are making?

In medicine a doctor who is sucessful is rewarded by having more patients refered to them which in return brings a reward of higher income. If a doctor is not sucessful they dont get as many patients because of that.
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Sep 11, 2012
 
Andy Frain wrote:
They both very recently received new contracts and we were comparing and contrasting. Both contracts were awarded by the same board, I think it says something about how they value the teachers compared to the admin.
HELLO.... the teachers are already overpaid.

And since when can the employee compare his pay to the bosses pay?? it doesn't make any sense.
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Sep 11, 2012
 
Nice Tommy, Harvard and Washington U, nice. Bullshit, but nice try. Offer proof of this. What is the reasoning of going to Harvard for undergrad and then Washington for Med school? You are a lying piece of shit.
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Teddy Two Testicles wrote:
Nice Tommy, Harvard and Washington U, nice. Bullshit, but nice try. Offer proof of this. What is the reasoning of going to Harvard for undergrad and then Washington for Med school? You are a lying piece of shit.
My bank account begs to differ anal sphincter.... Whats your educational background ??? Yeah thats right .... NONE!
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Sep 11, 2012
 
Teddy Two Testicles wrote:
Nice Tommy, Harvard and Washington U, nice. Bullshit, but nice try. Offer proof of this. What is the reasoning of going to Harvard for undergrad and then Washington for Med school? You are a lying piece of shit.
get out of mmommys basement and grow up
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Sarah wrote:
I think it is ridiculous for people who are not teachers to judge....especially when they are wrong! As a teacher myself I started off making $36,000 three years ago. I can not afford my own bills. Yes some schools make more money but majority of teachers are paid way less. I do not work Minday through Friday 7am to 3pm for 9 months. I work 7 am to 7 pm monday through friday. I also work about 15 hours on the weekends. I work during the sumer attending workshops and planning for the next year. Those decorations in the classrooms....teachers buy them with their own money. I give kids pens paper and folders because their parents wont buy them. It comes out of my pocket. Teachers spend more time with kids than their own parents. We are underpaid and underappreciated. Vwe didnt become teachers for the pay. We did for the passion and love of kids. We want to help them succeed. But when the higher ups want more and more..we have to stand up for ourselves.
How can you complain about making $36,000 on your first teaching job? A lot of families live on less. In fact, maybe the parents who refuse to buy school supplies refuse because they can't afford it. You clearly did not look up a teacher's salary before you got your degree. And saying you aren't working for the money is bullshit. EVERYONE is working for the money, and if you aren't, then you should VOLUNTEER somewhere.
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Ruth Ensing wrote:
I'll take a teacher's pension over Social Security any day. Not against teachers making a decent living but public pensions are becoming unsustainable.
Ruth,

Pensions are "unsustainable" due to the actions and spending of politicians. Teachers have always paid 9.4% of their salaries into the system. Politicians have taken pension vacations, meaning that they didn't make their obligatory payments into the system, which has depleted the funds. Furthermore, they have borrowed from the system without paying interest in order to fund their own pet projects, which took away opportunities for that money to earn interest. Teachers do not get Social Security, so pensions are their only form of retirement, unless they decide to fund a 403b on top of the nearly 10% that is taken out of every paycheck.
Pensions were promised to teachers. According to our state constitution, they should not be diminished. Teachers shouldn't have to suffer and pay for the misappropriation of funds by our elected officials. Teachers have kept up their half of the deal, the state should as well.
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Tommy Two Toes wrote:
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Did you look at their salaries ???/ or are you just talking from your rear end??
The lowest paid full timers are in the mid $60's so that equates to $100,000.00 if they worked 12 months and even more if they worked full days (Since they are only required to teach 275 Minutes a day)
We cant afford anymore SCHOOL property taxes.
Please look up the facts before posting misinformation. The starting salary for district 228 was just under $46,000 at the beginning of last school year.
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They are being paid GENEROUSLY........ The average salary in SD 228 is $85,000.00 for a NINE MONTH JOB! Not many places you can make that with just a bachelors. The Constitution says alot of things... And the children are being educated. Let them strike i dont care ... Strike = NO PAY then after a week FIRE whoever didn't come back. Then we'll see if the $85,000 average was still enough.
According to the current salary schedule, the only way a teacher with a simple Bachelor's degree could make $85,000 a year would be if they had been teaching for 30 years! Once again, quick posting misleading information.
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Sep 15, 2012
 
R Long wrote:
Here is a novel idea. Lets have any teacher pay increase be in direct reflection to the product they put out. Let's face it, Illinois is near the absolute bottom when it comes to the quality of education our kids receive and we pay for. Yet every contract cycle, we are told that the teachers want more money. As parents we should demand and hold the teachers, administrators and school boards accountable. Mediocre employees do mediocre work. How about eliminating tenure and have all teaching positions open for application every year.
Please give me some information on how you would create an equitable system that reflects the "the product they put out". By the way, in case you didn't realize it, due to new state laws, tenure holds very little weight in personnel decisions these days.
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Joliet, IL

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Teddy Two Testicles wrote:
Nice Tommy, Harvard and Washington U, nice. Bullshit, but nice try. Offer proof of this. What is the reasoning of going to Harvard for undergrad and then Washington for Med school? You are a lying piece of shit.
Apparently Harvard and Washington U do not offer classes in general grammar.
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Sep 17, 2012
 
They are still wasting money on lawyers.

http://brementts.org/uploads/AgendaSpecial091...
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#55
Oct 4, 2012
 
Are you just ignorant? Most of your postings have been negative against District 228. You are entitled you to your opinion. More than likely you had a problem with one of the schools and you didn't get your way, so now you whine. You do realize the agenda you posted IS NOT for District 228 don't you.
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They are still wasting money on lawyers.
http://brementts.org/uploads/AgendaSpecial091...
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Leon Newborn watched me undress and touched my tiny tim.
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Think before you speak wrote:
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Please look up the facts before posting misinformation. The starting salary for district 228 was just under $46,000 at the beginning of last school year.
Look here and try to fight the truth......

http://www.familytaxpayers.org/salary.php
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Think before you speak wrote:
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According to the current salary schedule, the only way a teacher with a simple Bachelor's degree could make $85,000 a year would be if they had been teaching for 30 years! Once again, quick posting misleading information.
Same answer as above......

http://www.familytaxpayers.org/salary.php

I know you dont want to believe it but ...... theres the proof.
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Oct 5, 2012
 
There should be a law that teachers are not allowed to strike. Police, fire,public trans,air traffic controllers etc... are never allowed to strike and are forced back to work. Same should go for publicly paid teachers!
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Dont Allow to Strike wrote:
There should be a law that teachers are not allowed to strike. Police, fire,public trans,air traffic controllers etc... are never allowed to strike and are forced back to work. Same should go for publicly paid teachers!
The reason most of the above arent allowed to strike is that they are in public safety positions and have agreed to a "No Strike Clause" in their contracts which they were given consideration. Public Transit is allowed to strike and they have in the past.

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