Possible Strike Looms as D228, Teache...

Possible Strike Looms as D228, Teachers Union Continue Contract Talks

There are 66 comments on the Patch.com story from Aug 22, 2012, titled Possible Strike Looms as D228, Teachers Union Continue Contract Talks. In it, Patch.com reports that:

Time is slipping away and it seems that neither representatives from the Joint Faculty Association nor those from Bremen School District 228 A are willing to back down.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Patch.com.

Interesting Issues

Chicago, IL

#21 Aug 24, 2012
OF Watch wrote:
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Yes, you're right their pension was negotiated by collective bargaining, but, lets realize something. When a public union collective bargains against its employer, just who are they negotiating against? Wait, think about it, yes that's right, they're negotiating against the government, which is you, me and even themselves.
Now, answer me this. Since they had these rights to negotiate, why didn't the union leaders demand that the legislature fund these pensions over the years or when negotiating with the local boards did they not demand that Administrators salaries be no more than x% of the top teachers pay? The unions donate large sums of cash to these people, so why didnt they put the screws to them? They all knew the pensions were not being funded, so why did they let it happen? Here's why, because the gravy train was rolling during those years. As long as the raises kept coming, they ignored the looming pension fiasco. Higher salaries for union members, mean more dues for union leaders.
The front line teachers do a good job and kudos to them, but the lip service that the union gives about it 'being for the children' has to stop. If they were truly concerned about the kids, they would have not let this happen in the first place.
Lets answer some of your concerns- you are correct public employees negotiate these salaries and benefits! They negotiate them with the entities they work for which you are correct are government agencies, that is their employer! Which means it is the taxpayers!

If you have been watching the plight of education in this state - you would know the Teachers Organizations & School Districts have made many trips to Springfield to get the Legislature to better fund education! That has gone on deaf ears! Politicians only seem to jump on the band wagon when it is election time and to this point no one will jump on this! Adminstrators Salaries are also negotiated as the market determines! Their are now state laws restricting the size of raises that a school district can give to both Teachers & Administrators, since pension benefits are usually determined by the average of the last 4 years salary calculations! For this system to change you would need to get on a school board & be very fiscally responsible! In many districts as we see from the newspaper articles, school board folks may not be the most fiscally responsible people! Have you gone to your school board to question their budgets? Each year they must have a open session to discuss budgetary items - opening it up to the public for comments.

Many people & organizations donate to our elected officials - right or wrong they are all looking for some advantage - that is how our system works. We can see it here in our own town! If we want that changed it is the taxpayers that must force change & until that happens the system will keep barrelling down the road.

So why did they not put the "screws" to the folks that did not fund the pension funds - great question, but the answer is once the folks are voted back in - all the discussions stopped! I once heard some politicians talk about the inequities of school funding - Northern suburban districts with the higher property values invest much more per students education than do the south & southwest suburbs - and these politicians wanted to change that process, well it has not changed, not enough votes!

So blame the Teachers & their unions, and some people want to talk about the compensation they have for a 9 month job. Go up to your local city council and try to get something you don't like changed, you will see what the teachers, school districts and unions are dealing with! You want to blame them for not getting this problem to change, then you are missing the issue here - anyone can point fingers at people for not pushing for change or correcting the problems! Where were you when it needed correction!
Concerned

Alsip, IL

#22 Aug 24, 2012
This kind of drama seems to follow in this boards wake. Inability to fire Superintendent Mitchell properly, negating the peoples vote on the BTTO, and now failing to negotiate a teachers contract. This shows how little they care for our kids. When you consider we are still paying for the two previous fiascoes I wonder what this is going to cost us?

R Long

Tinley Park, IL

#23 Aug 24, 2012
Here is a novel idea. Lets have any teacher pay increase be in direct reflection to the product they put out. Let's face it, Illinois is near the absolute bottom when it comes to the quality of education our kids receive and we pay for. Yet every contract cycle, we are told that the teachers want more money. As parents we should demand and hold the teachers, administrators and school boards accountable. Mediocre employees do mediocre work. How about eliminating tenure and have all teaching positions open for application every year.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#24 Aug 24, 2012
Interesting Issues wrote:
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Lets answer some of your concerns- you are correct public employees negotiate these salaries and benefits! They negotiate them with the entities they work for which you are correct are government agencies, that is their employer! Which means it is the taxpayers!
If you have been watching the plight of education in this state - you would know the Teachers Organizations & School Districts have made many trips to Springfield to get the Legislature to better fund education! That has gone on deaf ears! Politicians only seem to jump on the band wagon when it is election time and to this point no one will jump on this! Adminstrators Salaries are also negotiated as the market determines! Their are now state laws restricting the size of raises that a school district can give to both Teachers & Administrators, since pension benefits are usually determined by the average of the last 4 years salary calculations! For this system to change you would need to get on a school board & be very fiscally responsible! In many districts as we see from the newspaper articles, school board folks may not be the most fiscally responsible people! Have you gone to your school board to question their budgets? Each year they must have a open session to discuss budgetary items - opening it up to the public for comments.
Many people & organizations donate to our elected officials - right or wrong they are all looking for some advantage - that is how our system works. We can see it here in our own town! If we want that changed it is the taxpayers that must force change & until that happens the system will keep barrelling down the road.
So why did they not put the "screws" to the folks that did not fund the pension funds - great question, but the answer is once the folks are voted back in - all the discussions stopped! I once heard some politicians talk about the inequities of school funding - Northern suburban districts with the higher property values invest much more per students education than do the south & southwest suburbs - and these politicians wanted to change that process, well it has not changed, not enough votes!
So blame the Teachers & their unions, and some people want to talk about the compensation they have for a 9 month job. Go up to your local city council and try to get something you don't like changed, you will see what the teachers, school districts and unions are dealing with! You want to blame them for not getting this problem to change, then you are missing the issue here - anyone can point fingers at people for not pushing for change or correcting the problems! Where were you when it needed correction!
You're missing my point. I did not put any blame on the local teachers or rank & file, Im putting my blame squarely on the union leaders. The ones you never see around. They are the ones that pony up the large cash donations to the politicians. They are the ones who lobby heavily in Springfield. Why did they not listen to what their union members were telling them and demand that the politicians do something?

You partially answers that question yourself when you said "but the answer is once the folks are voted back in - all the discussions stopped!" Right, so why didn't the union (leaders and members who voted for these people), march down to that politicians office and say "hey you told us you were going to do something, now do it or your going to be voted out next election?"
GreatSlate

Alsip, IL

#25 Aug 24, 2012
This is 4/7 of our problem, the other 3 are up for rejection in April.

http://greatslatefor228.com/
Tommy Two Toes

Chicago, IL

#26 Aug 24, 2012
R Long wrote:
Once again you are wrong! It is State law, if not written in the Constitution, that the State IS responsible for the teachers retirement plan. It is a fact that the state has borrowed against the fund to the point where they can never hope to pay it back. Now they want to pass the debt to the suburban taxpayers who already have paid into the fund. Tommy, you need to stop drinking the coolaide!
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Did i say otherwise? Umm No trisomy
Dude

Tinley Park, IL

#27 Aug 26, 2012
Tommy Two Toes wrote:
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Did i say otherwise? Umm No trisomy
. Nice response. Your a prize.
Tommy Two Toes

United States

#28 Aug 26, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>. Nice response. Your a prize.
What?
Tommy Two Toes

United States

#29 Aug 26, 2012
Let them strike.... Then they can be replaced and they learn a lesson not to be greedy.
Sarah

Indianapolis, IN

#30 Sep 7, 2012
I think it is ridiculous for people who are not teachers to judge....especially when they are wrong! As a teacher myself I started off making $36,000 three years ago. I can not afford my own bills. Yes some schools make more money but majority of teachers are paid way less. I do not work Minday through Friday 7am to 3pm for 9 months. I work 7 am to 7 pm monday through friday. I also work about 15 hours on the weekends. I work during the sumer attending workshops and planning for the next year. Those decorations in the classrooms....teachers buy them with their own money. I give kids pens paper and folders because their parents wont buy them. It comes out of my pocket. Teachers spend more time with kids than their own parents. We are underpaid and underappreciated. Vwe didnt become teachers for the pay. We did for the passion and love of kids. We want to help them succeed. But when the higher ups want more and more..we have to stand up for ourselves.
Tommy Two Toes

United States

#31 Sep 7, 2012
Sarah wrote:
I think it is ridiculous for people who are not teachers to judge....especially when they are wrong! As a teacher myself I started off making $36,000 three years ago. I can not afford my own bills. Yes some schools make more money but majority of teachers are paid way less. I do not work Minday through Friday 7am to 3pm for 9 months. I work 7 am to 7 pm monday through friday. I also work about 15 hours on the weekends. I work during the sumer attending workshops and planning for the next year. Those decorations in the classrooms....teachers buy them with their own money. I give kids pens paper and folders because their parents wont buy them. It comes out of my pocket. Teachers spend more time with kids than their own parents. We are underpaid and underappreciated. Vwe didnt become teachers for the pay. We did for the passion and love of kids. We want to help them succeed. But when the higher ups want more and more..we have to stand up for ourselves.
Thats strange if the teachers make such a small amount.... Why does the state report that the average party is in excess of 80,000.00 and only about 10 teachers total make less?
anon

Tinley Park, IL

#32 Sep 8, 2012
Deakre wrote:
<quoted text>Guess What here is the old saying - You will pay now to educate them or you will pay later to jail them! And if you read the Illinois Constitution - the state of Illinois is responsible to fund education, which they have not done for many years!
I never, ever heard that "old saying".
anon

Tinley Park, IL

#33 Sep 8, 2012
Tommy Two Toes wrote:
<quoted text>First off the state ISNT required by law to fund the TEACHERS pension. secondly i hope your not a teacher at the HS you spelled Principal WRONG!
And you spelled "you're" wrong.
Disheartened in OF

Forest Park, IL

#34 Sep 8, 2012
Yes, some teachers are paid extremely well. However, please look at their time on the job and their level of education. You can find teacher salaries online and it lists years of experience.

Most teachers have more than one Masters degree. They also must complete continuing education classes in order to renew their certificates.

In addition, most teachers are at school one to two hours before students arrive. They also stay many hours after students go home. Teachers pay for most items in their classrooms with their own money because school districts don't pay for them. Many teachers will buy supplies for their students who can't afford them, will pay for field trips, lunch, etc.

Saying that all of the teachers in this district are overpaid, not worth the money and should be replaced is not kind. And it certainly isn't well informed.

More to the point is why does the Administration get paid so much money? Their salaries far exceed that of the teachers. And in some instances these people are not even educators, they have zero classroom experience and are not familiar with school environments.
Andy Frain

Alsip, IL

#35 Sep 8, 2012
Why does it seem this subject is taboo. This is the public's business and should be discussed in a public forum. The teachers took a pay freeze. Most administrators received a one year contract apparently with no raise. The Superintendent received a five year contract which the specifics are not known. However if you would like to know, he would accommodate anyone with a private meeting. Who do they think pays their salary? This should be put on the website. When do we elect a new school board that acts in the people's interest?
Tommy Two Toes

United States

#36 Sep 9, 2012
Disheartened in OF wrote:
Yes, some teachers are paid extremely well. However, please look at their time on the job and their level of education. You can find teacher salaries online and it lists years of experience.
Most teachers have more than one Masters degree. They also must complete continuing education classes in order to renew their certificates.
In addition, most teachers are at school one to two hours before students arrive. They also stay many hours after students go home. Teachers pay for most items in their classrooms with their own money because school districts don't pay for them. Many teachers will buy supplies for their students who can't afford them, will pay for field trips, lunch, etc.
Saying that all of the teachers in this district are overpaid, not worth the money and should be replaced is not kind. And it certainly isn't well informed.
More to the point is why does the Administration get paid so much money? Their salaries far exceed that of the teachers. And in some instances these people are not even educators, they have zero
classroom experience and are not familiar with school environments.
The adminstration is paid more because they supervise and keep the overpaid teachers in line.
Sarah

Indianapolis, IN

#37 Sep 9, 2012
Tommy two toes...what is your occupation and level of education? You are very misinformed on this topic.
Tommy Two Toes

Chicago, IL

#38 Sep 10, 2012
Sarah wrote:
Tommy two toes...what is your occupation and level of education? You are very misinformed on this topic.
I am a Harvard undergrad and a Washington University Post Grad. where i graduated in the top 5% of my Medical School Class. Why does this matter??

All the information that I use is available on the Internet and is accurate. where am I misinformed?? Hmmm look for yourself... The stas do not lie.

What is your occupation and level of education?
Andy Frain

Alsip, IL

#39 Sep 10, 2012
Tommy are you familiar with D228 or are you speaking in generalities? Do you realize D228 has an a higher than average admin to student ratio and our scores are below state average?
Tommy Two Toes

Chicago, IL

#40 Sep 10, 2012
Andy Frain wrote:
Tommy are you familiar with D228 or are you speaking in generalities? Do you realize D228 has an a higher than average admin to student ratio and our scores are below state average?
Im speaking to the salaries of the teachers.... They are paid VERY VERY WELL for the 9 month job they do job.

And as far as the Administration... What does that have to do with the teachers salaries?

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