Parents of expelled Belleville High s...

Parents of expelled Belleville High students vow lawsuit

There are 187 comments on the WZZM Grand Rapids story from Nov 11, 2007, titled Parents of expelled Belleville High students vow lawsuit. In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

BELLEVILLE, Mich. - The parents of four of five Belleville High School students expelled over MySpace photos are promising to sue the school district.

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Get Your Facts Straight

Savannah, GA

#102 Nov 15, 2007
Jinxed wrote:
You know, Teachers Spouse wrote that:“my Husband had a couple of these kids in his class, and he said they were really good kids”…
Nanny,
Teacher spouse didn't say husband or wife, they stated spouse. Also teacher spouse stated “these were good kids. Nanny you added the word “really”. Not convinced the gun and drugs were at school. Oh, they lost the “toy” gun. Also they had the people who rented the limo stash the stuff in there before, then paid the limo driver not to clean it. Since the gun and drugs were not at the school this is the only solution. Give me a break.
The live ammo on the table would fit the fake the guns if they were real.
Get Your Facts Straight

Savannah, GA

#103 Nov 15, 2007
Teachers Spouse wrote:
I would like to say; my spouse is a teacher at Belleville HS and has had some of the expelled students as students. My spouse was a little surprised, because, in the words of my spouse,“these were good students”. But, then the Columbine students were “good students”.
Nanny Post #65

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#104 Nov 16, 2007
BR Bean Counter wrote:
I'm impressed Jinxed. Same arguement from the same small town of Greenville as Nanny. And you've mis-spelled several of the same easy to spell words. Hum!
Anyhow, here's a couple of questions either of you can answer.
1. What should they be suing for?
2. If its for cash, what do you think they'll use it for, private schools?
3. How do you spell violent?(with an "n" in it)
Say Hi to Nanny for me.
LMAO Bean, I was thinking the same thing!

“"Do Right Be Right"”

Since: Nov 07

Rockford Michigan

#105 Nov 16, 2007
BR Bean Counter wrote:
I'm impressed Jinxed. Same arguement from the same small town of Greenville as Nanny. And you've mis-spelled several of the same easy to spell words. Hum!
Anyhow, here's a couple of questions either of you can answer.
1. What should they be suing for?
2. If its for cash, what do you think they'll use it for, private schools?
3. How do you spell violent?(with an "n" in it)
Say Hi to Nanny for me.
Morning Bean,

Sorry didnt try to "fool" anyone with new online name, its just that when I registered Nanny was already taken.

As far as suing... if in fact they did not have the guns on school property, they will have the expulsion overturned and return to school.

I have a littel dyslexia in spelling, I will try to be more careful.

Nanny, aka Jinxed

“"Do Right Be Right"”

Since: Nov 07

Rockford Michigan

#106 Nov 16, 2007
Get Your Facts Straight wrote:
<quoted text>
Nanny,
Teacher spouse didn't say husband or wife, they stated spouse. Also teacher spouse stated “these were good kids. Nanny you added the word “really”. Not convinced the gun and drugs were at school. Oh, they lost the “toy” gun. Also they had the people who rented the limo stash the stuff in there before, then paid the limo driver not to clean it. Since the gun and drugs were not at the school this is the only solution. Give me a break.
The live ammo on the table would fit the fake the guns if they were real.
Thank you fact checker, spouse not identified.

I used really inapropraitley... meant "actually"

And I should have been more careful in paraphrasing.

“Go Red Wings!!!”

Since: Oct 07

Plainfield Township MI

#107 Nov 16, 2007
I don't understand why ANY parent would find it acceptable for their child to pretend to be a "gangsta" and pose with fake guns and fake drugs. Whatever happened to parents knowing what their children are doing and guiding them in the right direction?
Teachers Spouse

Livonia, MI

#108 Nov 16, 2007
“Good Kids” as their lawyer and my spouse put it.“C” students according to their lawyer. Let’s get a better perspective on this one and where these kids and parents are at.

At BHS there are different levels of classes for the learning ability of the students.
Challenged: Mentally handicapped, autistics, slow learners, very few get into trouble kids, parent involvement.

Basic: Just the basic, some main streamed “Challenged” kids, large drop out rate, most of the get into trouble kids, almost no parent involvement.

General: Average kids, small dropout rate, fewer get into trouble kids, some parent involvement

Advanced Placement: Above Average, very small dropout rate, very few get into trouble kids, a lot of parent involvement.

College Placement: College freshmen level classes, almost zero dropout rate, almost zero get into trouble kids, a whole lot of parent involvement.

These kids are “C” students in the Basic Courses. These are “good kids” in the basic classes. Which mean they don’t cause a whole lot of trouble and get average grades in lower level classes. The only parent who knew about the pictures was the one who’s house the pictures were taken at. Watch the news report of what a couple of parents were saying. These parents don’t care about their kids. They are not involved in their kids education. The parents only see the money now. Never once did they say “We are suing to get our kids back into school.” They said “we are suing for one million dollars each.”

Since: Oct 07

Big Rapids, MI

#109 Nov 16, 2007
Jinxed wrote:
<quoted text>
Morning Bean,
Sorry didnt try to "fool" anyone with new online name, its just that when I registered Nanny was already taken.
As far as suing... if in fact they did not have the guns on school property, they will have the expulsion overturned and return to school.
I have a littel dyslexia in spelling, I will try to be more careful.
Nanny, aka Jinxed
Good morning, and thanks for the reply.

I'm not sure why, but lately I seem to be thin skinned on just about every subject I run across. Doesn't seem to matter whether its here on the web, or driving down the road.

I'm excessively fed up with the litigation of the so called "victims" of societies rules. If, as you say, they are only suing to be allowed back to school, then I say, let them have their day in court. If its for their chance to grab the golden ring of a cash winfall, then I hope they rot.

And I will still stick to my opinion that the hip-hop gangster rapper lifestyle is a scourge upon this land. Only a loser would want this sort of life, and that is just plain sickening.

PS - I try not to be the spellcheck nazi, and I make enough mistakes on my own. I sometimes grade the poster's IQ on spelling. Yours isn't that bad. Thanks for putting up with the rant.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#110 Nov 16, 2007
BR Bean Counter wrote:
<quoted text>
Good morning, and thanks for the reply.
I'm not sure why, but lately I seem to be thin skinned on just about every subject I run across. Doesn't seem to matter whether its here on the web, or driving down the road.
I'm excessively fed up with the litigation of the so called "victims" of societies rules. If, as you say, they are only suing to be allowed back to school, then I say, let them have their day in court. If its for their chance to grab the golden ring of a cash winfall, then I hope they rot.
And I will still stick to my opinion that the hip-hop gangster rapper lifestyle is a scourge upon this land. Only a loser would want this sort of life, and that is just plain sickening.
PS - I try not to be the spellcheck nazi, and I make enough mistakes on my own. I sometimes grade the poster's IQ on spelling. Yours isn't that bad. Thanks for putting up with the rant.
I had about a month of thin-skinnedness, Bean. I know whereof you speak! ;-)

“"Do Right Be Right"”

Since: Nov 07

Rockford Michigan

#111 Nov 16, 2007
BR Bean Counter wrote:
<quoted text>
Good morning, and thanks for the reply.
I'm not sure why, but lately I seem to be thin skinned on just about every subject I run across. Doesn't seem to matter whether its here on the web, or driving down the road.
I'm excessively fed up with the litigation of the so called "victims" of societies rules. If, as you say, they are only suing to be allowed back to school, then I say, let them have their day in court. If its for their chance to grab the golden ring of a cash winfall, then I hope they rot.
And I will still stick to my opinion that the hip-hop gangster rapper lifestyle is a scourge upon this land. Only a loser would want this sort of life, and that is just plain sickening.
PS - I try not to be the spellcheck nazi, and I make enough mistakes on my own. I sometimes grade the poster's IQ on spelling. Yours isn't that bad. Thanks for putting up with the rant.
Thank you Bean for the reply as well.

I dont think being thin skinned is such a bad thing, too many folks today wearing Rhino.
I fall in the skin thin category as well, just means we care...

Its nearly impossible to get any cash from a School District, for any reason. Even wrongful deaths (accidents and such), or gross misconduct on the part of Staff.

It's also very hard to find out if your District has ever settled a claim,(quietly) as the School District's structure the payout very cleverly.

(you would be amazed, if I interpret your profession correctly)

I dont think this case rises to the level of a money payout, even if in fact this is wrongful expulsion. They would need to present a case under Civil Rights, and that they had a history etc.

I dont do this stuff anymore, I used to be a volunteer, helping parents and students with disabilities. I was in it for the kid, and stopped because too many parents wanted not only cash, but flesh as well. My brother was disabled.

*sigh* I am much more like minded with you and the others here than it seems, I am just a stickler for the details. All I want to read is that it was a violation, and not a posse.

I have a big pile in the responsibility section today, as I begin the annual cooking marathon.

I will check in again as I have time.

Have a good day Bean.
Teachers Spouse

Livonia, MI

#112 Nov 16, 2007
Jinxed wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you Bean for the reply as well.
I dont think being thin skinned is such a bad thing, too many folks today wearing Rhino.
I fall in the skin thin category as well, just means we care...
Hey, I'm a Rhino, but do care about rights. I volunteer at the Special Olympics as a hugger (best job). I teach my hobby and love teaching to kids and adults. Just seeing people sue for a second paid check ticks me off. Then seeing the race card played, for no reason just adds to it. Then seeing someone who is only putting in there two cent, who doesn’t know the school, the kids or the parents…….AAAAGGGGHHHHHH. Of course I hate Bush’s No Kid Left Behind. It sounds good on paper, but it boils down to teach at the slowest kid’s level. Forget the up half of the class. Forget the good kids. Focus on the bad kids, focus on the slow kids, focus on the kids who the parents are to lazy to care about…..This make my blood boil.
When my spouse taught the BASIC kids, only 7 out of 170 students parent showed up for parent teach conferences. Five of those were main streamed Challenged kid’s parents. When my spouse taught general and AP kids: 42 out of 127 for general and 28 out to 45 advanced kids. The parents need to be evolved.
If we focus on all kids, let the ones to lazy to attend school drop out. Tie a drivers license to a high school diploma.
Mrs

AOL

#113 Nov 18, 2007
If it would have been 9 white children, the same number of children would have been expelled.(not all were expelled)
Race had nothing to do with it. The high school is 40% black.
If it would have been 9 females, they would have been expelled. That had nothing to do with the expelling the children.
It was a no win situation for the school. If they would have done nothing and something like Columbine would have happened, they would have been sued and they are being sued anyway.
No win, period.
Mrs

AOL

#114 Nov 18, 2007
Mrs is from Belleville
Teachers Spouse

Livonia, MI

#115 Nov 19, 2007
Mrs
I believe most are in agreement that only the lawyer and family believe it is a race issue. The lawyer and the news have screwed it up mostly. The only pictures the school is concerned about are the ones taken at school and the limo. Why the limo, the limo driver told police he only picked the kids up from school and didn’t drop them off there. They had the gun and drugs (real or fake) at school. I believe this issue is more about poor parenting and a second paycheck for the kid’s wrong doings.
The lawyer stated 14% black and the news ran with it. I’ve been in the school and told co-workers it is closer to 45-50%. I’ll go with your 40% black. But still that is a lot more than 14%. Again the trail lawyer bending facts to get the community up in arms over this issue. The lawyer called the first press conference, to get this is the news with his side first.

“"Do Right Be Right"”

Since: Nov 07

Rockford Michigan

#116 Nov 28, 2007
This happened:
Judge orders expelled Belleville teens back to school
Karen Bouffard / The Detroit News
DETROIT-- Four Belleville High School students expelled for posing with fake drugs and guns on the Internet must be allowed to return to school until new disciplinary hearings are held, a Wayne County judge ruled today.
The Van Buren school district must conduct a new set of hearings for students and record the proceedings, according to the orders of Circuit Judge Cynthia Stephens.
Stephens scolded the district Monday for not keeping a record of the closed hearing held Nov. 3 during which the four male students were expelled. They were found guilty of gang activity, intimidation and possession of look-alike drugs and weapons.
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The students and their supporters claimed the weapons were fake and the photos were promotional for their rap group.

“"Do Right Be Right"”

Since: Nov 07

Rockford Michigan

#117 Nov 28, 2007
All I was trying to say was:

.Due Process is defined as:“a meaningful opportunity to be heard”. This means that the accused has their case heard by an impartial and unbiased Panel, Judge or Council. This would mean that they would have to find a person or group that would not be inherently affected by its outcome.
It would not take you but just a moment in re-reading this forum, to discover how this issue could illicit such extreme opinions.

The Panel ( the School Board ) who “heard” this case, were and could be directly affected by its outcome. Ex: They are elected officials, who enjoy the respect of this community because they serve the District and its Parents and Children. I don’t know if you have any idea the pressure School Administrators are under to not only do the job of educating the Public’s School Children, but performing numerous other Social Services.

There is not a single more frightening thing than a gun in school.

We have in the hysteria and the aftermath of horrific School Shootings become a “posse” type society in regards to weapons in schools.

The Judge reversed this because on the FACE of this, by not recording a proceeding.. would imply that the District did not want to have it reveiewed.

Naughty naughty naughty.
Hum

Ann Arbor, MI

#118 Nov 28, 2007
http://www.mlive.com/news/annarbornews/index....

"We won't just drop (the discipline). I stand behind the decision we made,'' Peer said.

During testimony, Lazaroff said that one of the students verbally threatened the high school principal following his hearing. Lazaroff said the boy's parents also threatened him personally.

The superintendent also testified that the same boy may have been involved in a fight over the weekend with about 30 young people at a local Fraternal Order of Eagles club. The altercation was stopped by the people at the club and police were not involved, Lazaroff said.
Lazaroff said the fight was between members of MADE Squad and MMB, the two rival gangs that the school district claims are a threat to Belleville High School. MMB stands for Money Murder Boys, Lazaroff said. Previously, Lazaroff has said that MADE stands for Money All Day Everyday.

The parents of the boys claim that the students are not in a gang and that MADE Squad is a rap group.

The case has gotten national attention and is being monitored by at least one of families of the students killed in the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado.

Sam Riddle, a spokesman for the family of Columbine victim Isaiah Shoels, said he thought the judge's decision was fair, although he had been concerned about comments the judge made earlier when she remarked that it was "scary'' that the district didn't have a record of the disciplinary hearing.

"To me, what's really scary,'' is if the district had ignored the Internet postings, Riddle said. Such postings have preceded several school shootings, Riddle said. The pictures of guns and students are threatening, he said.

"Implicit in (the posing of the guns with the students) is the threat that they are going to use them,'' Riddle said.
grow up

United States

#119 Nov 28, 2007
Thank you Hum, for giving the REST of the story that apparently, Jinxed didn't want to add. Of course, the rest of the story didn't fit her agenda. So, shame on Jinxed.
Poetic Justice

Livonia, MI

#120 Nov 28, 2007
"During testimony, Lazaroff said that one of the students verbally threatened the high school principal following his hearing. Lazaroff said the boy's parents also threatened him personally.

The superintendent also testified that the same boy may have been involved in a fight over the weekend with about 30 young people at a local Fraternal Order of Eagles club. The altercation was stopped by the people at the club and police were not involved, Lazaroff said."

My Definition of "Good Kids". The parents should be so proud...Oh wait they were making threat also.
Poetic Justice

Livonia, MI

#121 Nov 28, 2007
Forgot something. They were death threats against the high school principal. I got that from her.

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