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Attorney general says school districts can't arm teachers under private guard law

There are 61 comments on the Arkansas Times story from Aug 1, 2013, titled Attorney general says school districts can't arm teachers under private guard law. In it, Arkansas Times reports that:

ILLEGAL: Dustin McDaniel said a pistol like this, purchased for use in Clarksville schools, can't be carried by teachers.

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Since: Jan 12

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#1 Aug 1, 2013
How much did they spend on this BS before they realized it was illegal, come on conservatives you are always preaching about illegal and spending. Nothing but a bad idea from the get-go.

Think of your own good old days at public school. Which teacher would you arm with an automatic pistol and give them permission to shoot?
guest

Council Bluffs, IA

#2 Aug 1, 2013
Just because Lame Duck McDaniel says it, doesn't make it law. If he could do that, he'd probably day it was legal to not investigate the murder of his mistress' husband. He's going to prison eventually, he needs to just keep fucking his lawyer friend and enjoy the ride. Democrats are done in Arkansas' state government. As soon as Obebe is out, gun rights will be restored for all Arkansans.

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Since: Apr 13

Jonesboro, AR

#3 Aug 1, 2013
It looks to me like those school teachers need to be sent back to law school. It really doesn't take much effort to read the laws on the books to find out its illegal to turn school teachers into a mob militia.

What were they thinking?!?!?!?!
Ron Burgundy

Jonesboro, AR

#4 Aug 1, 2013
Amen. Welcome to the backwoods logic of Arkanistan!

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#5 Aug 1, 2013
It would not be hard to imagine a situation sometimes in the future where a student gets unruly and a ill-trained guard/teacher blows them away.

There are some on this forum who probably think that would be a good thing until it happened to someone they cared about.

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#6 Aug 1, 2013
guest wrote:
Just because Lame Duck McDaniel says it, doesn't make it law. If he could do that, he'd probably day it was legal to not investigate the murder of his mistress' husband. He's going to prison eventually, he needs to just keep fucking his lawyer friend and enjoy the ride. Democrats are done in Arkansas' state government. As soon as Obebe is out, gun rights will be restored for all Arkansans.
Restored? When did teachers carry guns in Arkansas schools?
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#7 Aug 1, 2013
He's referring to his sorry arse being restored to the mental hospital from which he escaped.
guest

Council Bluffs, IA

#8 Aug 1, 2013
Arkansaw wrote:
<quoted text>Restored? When did teachers carry guns in Arkansas schools?
Prior to Arkansas passing a law criminalizing carrying a handgun or the GFSZA of 1990, whichever was first. Regardless, teachers aren't going to just blow a kid away, unless by unruly you mean threatening the well being of someone else. In that case, fuck that kid and good riddance. If that has to happen once, it likely won't happen again. So much faith in law enforcement, so little faith in everyone else. Just wait, McDaniel's penis cost the Democrats the governor's chair in Arkansas. It's about to become a real fucking hostile environment for the few liberals dumb enough to live here. California will give you asylum though.

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Since: Apr 13

Jonesboro, AR

#9 Aug 1, 2013
guest wrote:
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Prior to Arkansas passing a law criminalizing carrying a handgun or the GFSZA of 1990, whichever was first. Regardless, teachers aren't going to just blow a kid away, unless by unruly you mean threatening the well being of someone else. In that case, fuck that kid and good riddance. If that has to happen once, it likely won't happen again. So much faith in law enforcement, so little faith in everyone else. Just wait, McDaniel's penis cost the Democrats the governor's chair in Arkansas. It's about to become a real fucking hostile environment for the few liberals dumb enough to live here. California will give you asylum though.
Teachers are not immune from losing their cool. They certainly don't need to be in school while packing.
guest

Ridgedale, MO

#10 Aug 2, 2013
Teachers should teach, that's what they're trained for. If schools think it's necessary to have security guards, they should hire them.
guest

Council Bluffs, IA

#11 Aug 2, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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Teachers are not immune from losing their cool. They certainly don't need to be in school while packing.
Law enforcement aren't immune from losing their cool either. Don't hear people complaining that they havw guns Neither am I, I've been pretty pissed off several times, never has it occurred to me to pull my gun and shoot the person pissing me off. That's a jump only a psychotic person makes. A gun is for the situation where your life is threatened and it's the only way out. It's not an argument mediation tool.

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Since: Apr 13

Jonesboro, AR

#12 Aug 2, 2013
guest wrote:
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Law enforcement aren't immune from losing their cool either. Don't hear people complaining that they havw guns Neither am I, I've been pretty pissed off several times, never has it occurred to me to pull my gun and shoot the person pissing me off. That's a jump only a psychotic person makes. A gun is for the situation where your life is threatened and it's the only way out. It's not an argument mediation tool.
Law enforcement are trained and have experience. And they don't spend their day in the classroom contending with your snotty nosed unruly kids.

Those teachers wateced a video, shot a hand gun and then got a certificate.
guest

Council Bluffs, IA

#13 Aug 2, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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Law enforcement are trained and have experience. And they don't spend their day in the classroom contending with your snotty nosed unruly kids.
Those teachers wateced a video, shot a hand gun and then got a certificate.
You must not have read the original article at all. They went through 70+ hours of training including simulations. Law enforcement has to spend all day with lots of people who really need to be shot, yet they don't shoot them. I think a lot of the gun control crowd has a real psychological problem. They assume that someone is just going to fly off the handle and shoot someone because they are angry. I carry a gun all the time, and in the course of the years have been made very angry at times. I have never once even considered shooting someone because they made me angry. That's something only a psychopath would think to do.
liberalsRlunatic s

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#14 Aug 2, 2013
Given the choice of being in an entire neighborhood of well trained, armed police and teachers or the thugs that fill the classrooms and the thugs that fill most neighborhoods any more and I'll pick the well trained, armed police and teachers every time. Liberals need to get locked up with the Chavis Carter and OJ types for a while....

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Since: Apr 13

Jonesboro, AR

#15 Aug 2, 2013
guest wrote:
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You must not have read the original article at all. They went through 70+ hours of training including simulations. Law enforcement has to spend all day with lots of people who really need to be shot, yet they don't shoot them. I think a lot of the gun control crowd has a real psychological problem. They assume that someone is just going to fly off the handle and shoot someone because they are angry. I carry a gun all the time, and in the course of the years have been made very angry at times. I have never once even considered shooting someone because they made me angry. That's something only a psychopath would think to do.
What I read was 50-something hours. Which amounts to a week. Compared to months and in many cases years for law enforcement personnel. Teachers don't need guns. Teachers need to focus their attention on academics which is what they are hired to do.
guest

Council Bluffs, IA

#16 Aug 2, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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What I read was 50-something hours. Which amounts to a week. Compared to months and in many cases years for law enforcement personnel. Teachers don't need guns. Teachers need to focus their attention on academics which is what they are hired to do.
The police academy only gives one week of firearm instruction. The other 11 weeks are radar, jailer, procedural, and legal courses. I agree that teachers should be able to focus on academics, but society is failing to focus on raising good little citizens so that option is out.
guest

Council Bluffs, IA

#17 Aug 2, 2013
Yep one week, and you have 20 months from your hire date to complete that 12 week course. Think about the implications. Many people are officers for over year before they receive any training except a few shots into a paper target to qualify. At least the teachers were trained BEFORE they were given weapons.

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Since: Apr 13

Jonesboro, AR

#18 Aug 2, 2013
guest wrote:
Yep one week, and you have 20 months from your hire date to complete that 12 week course. Think about the implications. Many people are officers for over year before they receive any training except a few shots into a paper target to qualify. At least the teachers were trained BEFORE they were given weapons.
Teacher aren't "given" weapons. They bought their own. They probably don't have a clue what they are buying.

“I just post facts.”

Since: Apr 13

Jonesboro, AR

#19 Aug 2, 2013
guest wrote:
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The police academy only gives one week of firearm instruction. The other 11 weeks are radar, jailer, procedural, and legal courses. I agree that teachers should be able to focus on academics, but society is failing to focus on raising good little citizens so that option is out.
Apparently those teachers didn't receive any legal training. Otherwise they would have known that it is illegal in Arkansas for teachers to be armed while teaching class.

Imagine that?!?!?!?
guest

Council Bluffs, IA

#20 Aug 2, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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Apparently those teachers didn't receive any legal training. Otherwise they would have known that it is illegal in Arkansas for teachers to be armed while teaching class.
Imagine that?!?!?!?
Well not really. Read the law. It really just sets standards for training of private security, which the teachers met. It's always been legal to hire armed guards. They are now teachers/ guards. McDaniel just hates guns so he made his opinion reflect that. He's never issued an opinion in favor of armed citizens, so I don't understand why they bothered to ask. His opinion is not in any way legally binding.

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