Fowler School discussion will be Feb. 11

Jan 25, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Watertown Daily Times

Whether to close Fowler Elementary School will be the sole focus of a public forum of the Board of Education on Feb.

Comments
61 - 80 of 88 Comments Last updated Feb 1, 2013
cable guy

Richville, NY

#61 Jan 29, 2013
Moron Wrangler wrote:
What is the need for three meetings? I certainly hope they're not taking the people who show up at these meetings voice as the voice of the people because the only people showing up are the one's who want it to stay open. The people from the East and West Side aren't showing up. They only thing the board should be taking into account is fiscal responsibility and that is IT. Do your god damn jobs!
If you want to be heard, Moron, you should show up. If not you can post your rants on Topix. Do you really think that closing Fowler School is the answer to fiscal fortitude? It is a chip on the block or a starting point. The people that show up care about their children. It will probably close, but the BOE is doing what is right and listening. It will make it a lot easier to swallow I am sure. Besides the coined term "fiscal responsibilty" there are basically 5 areas of focus for a school Board of Education: 1) setting standards of governance, 2) addressing administration and personnel issues, 3) providing oversight of fiscal management issues, 4) approving the educational program, and 5) supporting school and community relations. Each of these issues has a number of specific responsibilities and they try to blend them all into what is best for the district. Balancing the budget is important, but they are making sure children's education is not going to suffer because of a choice as I am sure they have a bigger hit list. Anyway, taxes will continue to go up with or without Fowler School being open or closed. That is a undisputed fact.
school taxpayer

Gouverneur, NY

#62 Jan 29, 2013
cable guy wrote:
<quoted text>
If you want to be heard, Moron, you should show up. If not you can post your rants on Topix. Do you really think that closing Fowler School is the answer to fiscal fortitude? It is a chip on the block or a starting point. The people that show up care about their children. It will probably close, but the BOE is doing what is right and listening. It will make it a lot easier to swallow I am sure. Besides the coined term "fiscal responsibilty" there are basically 5 areas of focus for a school Board of Education: 1) setting standards of governance, 2) addressing administration and personnel issues, 3) providing oversight of fiscal management issues, 4) approving the educational program, and 5) supporting school and community relations. Each of these issues has a number of specific responsibilities and they try to blend them all into what is best for the district. Balancing the budget is important, but they are making sure children's education is not going to suffer because of a choice as I am sure they have a bigger hit list. Anyway, taxes will continue to go up with or without Fowler School being open or closed. That is a undisputed fact.
Don't you get it.....It WILL save money. Although $600,000 is alot, also think of $600,000 X 10 years.$6,000,000 to maintain an unnecessary school. It should have closed a long time ago. If Fowler School parents think that they are not in the same community as East and West Side, then how will they handle the situation when their children go to the Jr. High and the High School. The parents that show up to keep it open, are the parents who think their children should go to a "Better" school, with smaller classes. Also, Fowler residents do not have to pay village taxes, therefore, they probably can more afford the rise in school taxes. Do you have a suggestion as to at what point Fowler should close, 100 students, 70 students, 50 students....how about 1 student? It's time to close the school. And parents, I hope you are encouraging your children that everything will be fine, instead of scaring them about how awful the other schools will be. You are doing a disservice. All the children deserve the same education....if you want a special education for your children then send them to a private school, or home school them.
cable guy

Richville, NY

#63 Jan 29, 2013
school taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you get it.....It WILL save money. Although $600,000 is alot, also think of $600,000 X 10 years.$6,000,000 to maintain an unnecessary school. It should have closed a long time ago. If Fowler School parents think that they are not in the same community as East and West Side, then how will they handle the situation when their children go to the Jr. High and the High School. The parents that show up to keep it open, are the parents who think their children should go to a "Better" school, with smaller classes. Also, Fowler residents do not have to pay village taxes, therefore, they probably can more afford the rise in school taxes. Do you have a suggestion as to at what point Fowler should close, 100 students, 70 students, 50 students....how about 1 student? It's time to close the school. And parents, I hope you are encouraging your children that everything will be fine, instead of scaring them about how awful the other schools will be. You are doing a disservice. All the children deserve the same education....if you want a special education for your children then send them to a private school, or home school them.
I get it, got it a long time ago. I am sure nobody is scaring their kids - we are as civilized as anyone you fool. Your continued copy and paste information has been heard I remember reading from others. Going from a small class to a large one is a change and kids will be affected at all schools. Getting new kids and being the new kids is a change and will be a learning curve for all including teachers and administration. Fowler has been on the chopping block for years and as Fowler continues to flourish and grow with homes the school will do just fine. Nobody is saying they are special it is our kids that are special - to us. We want the best for them. If it is at East Side or West Side, so be it. If we can keep our school open...even better. Oh and when kids to go Jr. and Sr. high school they will know which kids has the large percentage of kids per teacher and which ones had the smaller number of kids per teacher. Smaller numbers are a fact as a better environment. It is a great community and a great school so why should we want it closed. It will not solve the deficit! What are your other ideas to close the gap? Have any or are you riding the Fowler wave as your saving grace? That is an easy one.
Hahahaha

Danielson, CT

#64 Jan 29, 2013
It's bullshit but no matter what we say they r gonna close it I went there as a child my nieces an nephew go there I have two kids and I wanted them to go there but it prolly won't happen I loved that school but soooo much has changed it's rediculious
Friendly

Gouverneur, NY

#65 Jan 29, 2013
Your right, we are going to close it.

If you watched the news, look how many showed up to speak about it. Watch our faces, notice the lack of interest. But we have to give you the feeling that we care what you think.
school taxpayer

Gouverneur, NY

#66 Jan 29, 2013
cable guy...You should be as concerned about being a good example for your children as you are about Fowler school closing. Your rude "name calling" and sarcastic comments tell what kind of person/parent you are. I am right about some parents scaring their children as they do not have positive things to say about the school that their children may attend. What proof and criteria do you have that Fowler students do better at the Jr. High and High School, than other students?
Also, you are saying that Fowler has smaller classes. Well that is not fair to East and West Side students and teachers....ANOTHER REASON to close Fowler. You are wrong again, I have not copied and pasted. I am very capable of typing my thoughts and opinions...sometimes repeating them.
From here

Worcester, MA

#67 Jan 29, 2013
To Friendly- you are an instigator and I would hope you are not on the board of education!

The public deserves to have input on the closing of an elementary school. If you did your homework, you would know that the public voted over 60 years ago to build Fowler school. The public voters should be the ones to decide on how the school budgets their money. I've seen the information and there is no way that they will save $200,000.00 by closing the school. Let's look at other ways to find the money. Like giving the wrestling team money to travel for 3-4 days for a tournament, like not doing major construction projects at school, cut administrative jobs, look at transportation costs and cut back. What makes the board so sure that all 118 students from Fowler are going to transfer to Gouverneur to fill their classrooms? I will send my child to St. James instead along with other parents. If we wanted our children to go to the east or west side they would go there. The Administration decides which school the children go to. How many children are the busing from Gouverneur to Fowler? How many children are they busing from Fowler to the Gouverneur elementary schools? I could go in and on. A couple board members have been running their mouths over the last year about wanting to close Fowler school and that is unprofessional. Now that Nancy Cappellino isn't on the board, some of the rest of the board ate pushing to close it. I also heard they will sell the building to BOCES which is not right either. I just hope the people on the board that vote to close the school, can lay their head on their pillow with a clear conscience knowing that they ARE CLOSING FOWLER SCHOOL because they aren't smart enough to look deeper into ways to save money in the way they do business at all the Gouverneur schools!!!!!
Haaaaa

Gouverneur, NY

#68 Jan 30, 2013
I think we should only let the property owners vote on this seeing we are the ones that take the hit every time they raise taxes . People that are not property owners don't care when the taxes get raised . I think school tax should be based on income for everyone why the property owners we pay property tax for our property .
Friendly

Gouverneur, NY

#69 Jan 30, 2013
From here wrote:
To Friendly- you are an instigator and I would hope you are not on the board of education!
The public deserves to have input on the closing of an elementary school. If you did your homework, you would know that the public voted over 60 years ago to build Fowler school. The public voters should be the ones to decide on how the school budgets their money.
You do get a vote in what happens, you elect the board. If you don't like whats happening then run for office.

What happened 60 yrs ago does not matter now. Don't expect us to adhere to some 60 yr old letter either.

The school is closing, but your right about one thing. Nancy is the only reason it wasn't closed before.
cable guy

Richville, NY

#70 Jan 30, 2013
From here wrote:
To Friendly- you are an instigator and I would hope you are not on the board of education!
The public deserves to have input on the closing of an elementary school. If you did your homework, you would know that the public voted over 60 years ago to build Fowler school. The public voters should be the ones to decide on how the school budgets their money. I've seen the information and there is no way that they will save $200,000.00 by closing the school. Let's look at other ways to find the money. Like giving the wrestling team money to travel for 3-4 days for a tournament, like not doing major construction projects at school, cut administrative jobs, look at transportation costs and cut back. What makes the board so sure that all 118 students from Fowler are going to transfer to Gouverneur to fill their classrooms? I will send my child to St. James instead along with other parents. If we wanted our children to go to the east or west side they would go there. The Administration decides which school the children go to. How many children are the busing from Gouverneur to Fowler? How many children are they busing from Fowler to the Gouverneur elementary schools? I could go in and on. A couple board members have been running their mouths over the last year about wanting to close Fowler school and that is unprofessional. Now that Nancy Cappellino isn't on the board, some of the rest of the board ate pushing to close it. I also heard they will sell the building to BOCES which is not right either. I just hope the people on the board that vote to close the school, can lay their head on their pillow with a clear conscience knowing that they ARE CLOSING FOWLER SCHOOL because they aren't smart enough to look deeper into ways to save money in the way they do business at all the Gouverneur schools!!!!!
Thank you very much.
school taxpayer

Gouverneur, NY

#71 Jan 30, 2013
To "From here"
How ridiculous to compare 2013 with 1955? The economy was much better, taxes weren't outrageous, and since it was the era of the baby boomers, there were many more students. A Fact! Gouverneur use to have an average of 190-220 students per class. Now the approx. average is 130 students per class.
Also, know that 22 years ago, a new wing with many new classrooms was built at the East Side School.
Yes, I agree that there are ways to save money and cut costs, however, additionally close Fowler and save even MORE money. Even if the board looked deeper into saving money, it is a waste of taxpayers' dollars to keep Fowler open. Why waste that money? I think the board would have a good conscience when they make a reasonable budget with reasonable cuts, satisfying the taxpayers, the majority that believe Fowler should be closed. They will get a good night's sleep.
cable guy

Richville, NY

#72 Jan 30, 2013
school taxpayer wrote:
cable guy...You should be as concerned about being a good example for your children as you are about Fowler school closing. Your rude "name calling" and sarcastic comments tell what kind of person/parent you are. I am right about some parents scaring their children as they do not have positive things to say about the school that their children may attend. What proof and criteria do you have that Fowler students do better at the Jr. High and High School, than other students?
Also, you are saying that Fowler has smaller classes. Well that is not fair to East and West Side students and teachers....ANOTHER REASON to close Fowler. You are wrong again, I have not copied and pasted. I am very capable of typing my thoughts and opinions...sometimes repeating them.
I will say it once more that I am a perfect role model for my children and their future will support that statement. I am not name calling. If you are referring to my "moron" statement I am only calling "moron wrangler" by his or her first name. I don't know you they are. You can call me "cable" if you like. It is a proven fact that a student who gets more time with their teacher will get a better education. Therefore a classroom with 18 students per teacher vs. a classroom with 30 students per teacher will more than likely have a better chance of absorbing all of their studies at a better and faster rate. I am only saying that students would be more prepared and ready for Jr. High from a circulum standpoint if they have more one on one time with their elementary teachers. If the school system wanted to help the students excel at a faster rate than it would even out classes and utilize all schools. 1/4 of student attending Fowler are already bussed from the village. Their parents want them going to Fowler for the reasons I list above and its history/heritage of being a great school to learn in. I went to East Side. I know the school. Now I know Fowler much better. We all have opinions, but it will come down to the board of education and how they feel the school fits in the overall picture of sound education and financial responsibility to the taxpayers. It is not the answer by any means, but it surely represents a small savings.
wow

Richville, NY

#73 Jan 30, 2013
school taxpayer wrote:
To "From here"
How ridiculous to compare 2013 with 1955? The economy was much better, taxes weren't outrageous, and since it was the era of the baby boomers, there were many more students. A Fact! Gouverneur use to have an average of 190-220 students per class. Now the approx. average is 130 students per class.
Also, know that 22 years ago, a new wing with many new classrooms was built at the East Side School.
Yes, I agree that there are ways to save money and cut costs, however, additionally close Fowler and save even MORE money. Even if the board looked deeper into saving money, it is a waste of taxpayers' dollars to keep Fowler open. Why waste that money? I think the board would have a good conscience when they make a reasonable budget with reasonable cuts, satisfying the taxpayers, the majority that believe Fowler should be closed. They will get a good night's sleep.
The economy was terrible due to WWII and after it ended things turned for the better, but it wasn't overnight. Soliers came home and had kids. Then those kids learned birth control and Roe vs. Wade and had abortions. Then fast food and stores opened like crazy to provide low paying jobs. People worked including women and therefore exited the idea of stay at home moms more and raising a child got expensive with child care. They built schools to help and then 10% of kids were drop outs. Fowler is an established school with history and has made it thru challenging times to create some outstanding citizens. There are consequences to the economy, but I hope this school is not one of them. When Richville closed the town died. Fowler needs that school and the parents who live there and want their children to go there pay taxes for that reason. It may close and things will move on, but while we have the chance we will be heard and heard well. Also, the wing at the East Side was built for 6 graders not for exanding the school for others kids of the same grades.
school taxpayer

Gouverneur, NY

#74 Jan 30, 2013
Cable Guy....
are you forgetting this statement that you made....."we are as civilized as anyone you fool." I would say that calling someone "a fool" is name calling, along with your reference to moron wrangler as "moron". You also agreed with Friendly's statement that the people on the school board are "not smart enough". You don't have to explain...it's already evident what kind of person/parent you are...it does rub off on the children..you are a poor example. Really??? you are a PERFECT role model for your children. Wow, I have been a parent for MANY years, and I tried my best, but I would never say I was "Perfect" no one is. I have never in my MANY years have ever heard a parent say that they are/were a Perfect role model. You should write a book, on how to be the Perfect Role Model for your Children.
open mind

Fort Drum, NY

#75 Jan 30, 2013
There are empty classrooms that can be used at the East and West Side. I would like to see those used for Education purposes. I grew up at the West Side and my children went to Fowler when they were growing up. Both schools are wonderful and no one wants their school to close but if the District feels they need to cut somewhere would you rather have it be sports or music or art? Or maybe we could lose the great Pre K classes that our 3 and 4 year olds have. It is all business and I for one do not want our Pre K classes cut from the program. It is one of the best things this School has done and great for the little ones education. Our children will survive but we as parents are the ones that have to show our children that it will be ok. The teachers are going to move to the schools and the students will have more opportunities for friendships. Please keep an open mind. Don't put the bad thoughts into the childrens minds because if or when it does happen it will make it that much harder for them to transition to the new school. Think and be positive not negative.
school taxpayer

Gouverneur, NY

#76 Jan 30, 2013
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
The economy was terrible due to WWII and after it ended things turned for the better, but it wasn't overnight. Soliers came home and had kids. Then those kids learned birth control and Roe vs. Wade and had abortions. Then fast food and stores opened like crazy to provide low paying jobs. People worked including women and therefore exited the idea of stay at home moms more and raising a child got expensive with child care. They built schools to help and then 10% of kids were drop outs. Fowler is an established school with history and has made it thru challenging times to create some outstanding citizens. There are consequences to the economy, but I hope this school is not one of them. When Richville closed the town died. Fowler needs that school and the parents who live there and want their children to go there pay taxes for that reason. It may close and things will move on, but while we have the chance we will be heard and heard well. Also, the wing at the East Side was built for 6 graders not for exanding the school for others kids of the same grades.
Wow...You are SOOO wrong! You need to do some research. Just google booming economy in the 1950's and 1960's. Here is one of the articles I just read:
The economy of the 1950’s saw major changes, which in turn transformed the lives of the American people. Some lives were changed for the better, and some weren’t. The economy was booming again, for the first time in almost 30 years. Economy wasn’t the only area experiencing a boom. With the return of troops that served in the Second World War, the nation experienced a baby boom. More people means more houses, more houses means more jobs for contractors and companies who supply them with materials. In other words, it had a ripple effect on the economy. The creation of credit cards only promoted the already growing consumerist society. New forms of marketing also promoted consumerism. Malls were erected and daily life was transformed. Family life and the role of women also underwent substantial changes. Women joined the workforce and contributed to their family’s income. Urban cities also saw change.

BTW Roe vs Wade was in the 1970's. I agree that morals in our country are getting worse, however, we're talking about the close of Fowler School, and not increasing taxes.
cable guy

Richville, NY

#77 Jan 30, 2013
school taxpayer wrote:
Cable Guy....
are you forgetting this statement that you made....."we are as civilized as anyone you fool." I would say that calling someone "a fool" is name calling, along with your reference to moron wrangler as "moron". You also agreed with Friendly's statement that the people on the school board are "not smart enough". You don't have to explain...it's already evident what kind of person/parent you are...it does rub off on the children..you are a poor example. Really??? you are a PERFECT role model for your children. Wow, I have been a parent for MANY years, and I tried my best, but I would never say I was "Perfect" no one is. I have never in my MANY years have ever heard a parent say that they are/were a Perfect role model. You should write a book, on how to be the Perfect Role Model for your Children.
Thank you for taking this to the wrong place, direction and keeping it from being civilized. You push buttons and command reaction that is negative. Unless everyone agrees with you they are wrong. For the record - I am the perfect parent to MY CHILDREN and if you cannot comprehend that then, again, I am sorry. You are pushing buttons that do not need to be pushed. How dare you say "you are a poor example." I will not stoop to your level. No wonder things go sour with a taxpayer like you.
wow

Richville, NY

#78 Jan 30, 2013
school taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow...You are SOOO wrong! You need to do some research. Just google booming economy in the 1950's and 1960's. Here is one of the articles I just read:
The economy of the 1950’s saw major changes, which in turn transformed the lives of the American people. Some lives were changed for the better, and some weren’t. The economy was booming again, for the first time in almost 30 years. Economy wasn’t the only area experiencing a boom. With the return of troops that served in the Second World War, the nation experienced a baby boom. More people means more houses, more houses means more jobs for contractors and companies who supply them with materials. In other words, it had a ripple effect on the economy. The creation of credit cards only promoted the already growing consumerist society. New forms of marketing also promoted consumerism. Malls were erected and daily life was transformed. Family life and the role of women also underwent substantial changes. Women joined the workforce and contributed to their family’s income. Urban cities also saw change.
BTW Roe vs Wade was in the 1970's. I agree that morals in our country are getting worse, however, we're talking about the close of Fowler School, and not increasing taxes.
Taxes will increase with or without Fowler School The ripple effect of the baby boomers is more than what you are stating. I know history so you do not have to educate me. Sorry.
Moron Wrangler

Gouverneur, NY

#79 Jan 30, 2013
The fact of the matter is that consolidation is intelligent. It's inarguable. They're doing it on municipal levels, SUNY college levels and referencing this evenings news, they're even discussing a potential merger of Canton and Potsdam HIGH schools. The economy has changed and it isn't going back. We need to sink or swim. I choose to swim. Now we can either be babies about this or show our children how adults make tough decisions for the better good. Fowler school needs to close and your children see and understand the way you handle it. If you act unreasonable, don't be surprised when that's what you get down the road.
citizen

Richville, NY

#80 Jan 31, 2013
Moron Wrangler wrote:
The fact of the matter is that consolidation is intelligent. It's inarguable. They're doing it on municipal levels, SUNY college levels and referencing this evenings news, they're even discussing a potential merger of Canton and Potsdam HIGH schools. The economy has changed and it isn't going back. We need to sink or swim. I choose to swim. Now we can either be babies about this or show our children how adults make tough decisions for the better good. Fowler school needs to close and your children see and understand the way you handle it. If you act unreasonable, don't be surprised when that's what you get down the road.
Swim Moron, swim. The BOE is doing it due diligence and making sure everyone gets a change to understand. You will see people for and against something they care about. Children are not making decisions and are not going to the meeting to "see" how people are handling it. If you discuss it at your dinner table with a powerpoint presentation then they will. If a parent can hide Santa Claus I believe they can hide this. I don't think anyone is acting unreasonable fron what I read. Maybe a few bullies on here ( including you ) who have made their point and are now just rambling on. I don't think you wanted to sound like you are threatening anyone, but your last sentence could be taken that way. Drop the "Wrangler" and move on. If you are so sure it will close then why are you constantly on here arguing. The BOE is not studying topix to make their decision. Some peopele are passionate and some are morons. I rest my case.

Tell me when this thread is updated: (Registration is not required)

Add to my Tracker Send me an email

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Education Etc. Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Growing number of autistic students causing con... 1 hr Willinrichland 6
Bible study rules for public schools proposed (Feb '10) 1 hr BRAIN STORM 130,536
Exclusive: Press-Telegram reports prompt a name... 1 hr Historian 1
reports prompt name change for Burnett Elementa... 2 hr Jake 2
Changwon City Offers Student Exchange Program 5 hr Switches 18
Hampton looks for more math teachers 5 hr Tabb Man 3
Nob Hill Early Childhood Center goes up for sale 8 hr NM Parent 9
•••
Enter and win $5000
•••

Education Etc. People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

•••